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General => General => Topic started by: vinnyb on 22 April 2020, 10:39:45 pm

Title: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 22 April 2020, 10:39:45 pm

Is it just me or does this seem a bit over priced?
 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002087103320?make=HONDA&radius=1500&postcode=ng241hx&advertising-location=at_bikes&model=CB1100&sort=distance&page=1 (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002087103320?make=HONDA&radius=1500&postcode=ng241hx&advertising-location=at_bikes&model=CB1100&sort=distance&page=1)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Grahamm on 23 April 2020, 02:19:52 am
From the description:

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This is the bike that the 1987 500cc GP champion, Wayne Gardner rode in the production race of 1982

So if you're a collector, maybe you'd be willing to pay the £22,500 asking price.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: steve 10562cc on 23 April 2020, 07:09:52 am

They put the comma in the wrong place should have been £2,299.90  It's nice but the mileage doesn't warrant price.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: YamFazFan on 23 April 2020, 07:33:46 am

I bet it still sells for that or thereabouts. Some early Z1's are up to £30,000 now :eek



Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 April 2020, 11:33:54 am
 Traders will always try and push the price of rare and collectable bikes.  My favourite phrases on e-bay “future classic” and “can only go up in value”.
 
Another thing I think many dealers will do.  If they get hold of a rare or iconic bike, they’ll stick it in the showroom to add interest and draw punters in.  They may have no intention of selling it, it might be the boss’s pride and joy, but hey why not stick a stupid price tag on it, one, just to make folks go ooooooh and generate conversation, and two, you never know somebody might make a silly offer. 
 
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 April 2020, 11:37:40 am
 As for bike prices.  Well never mind bike prices – lets just say asset prices. 
Or put another way, try getting a quote for a mortgage right now – I’ll bet it’s hard work.


Asset prices will be going down.
Good time to buy a new bike – doh!


Oh that reminds me, it’s time VNA updated his profile.  How do I change GP Hero to BMW Wank?
 
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 23 April 2020, 01:32:33 pm
How do I change GP Hero to BMW Wank?
 

Your wish is Almost my command
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 April 2020, 01:40:29 pm
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Your wish is Almost my command

FFS! :lol
It's not exactly foccin discreet :eek . 

Ah well.  Lovely. :D   
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 23 April 2020, 03:00:58 pm
How do I change GP Hero to BMW Wank?
 

Your wish is Almost my command

🤣🤣🤣 Foccing brilliant 😂👍
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Gnasher on 23 April 2020, 03:04:37 pm
How do I change GP Hero to BMW Wank?
 

Your wish is Almost my command


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin ;) :D
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 23 April 2020, 03:40:01 pm
From the description:

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This is the bike that the 1987 500cc GP champion, Wayne Gardner rode in the production race of 1982

So if you're a collector, maybe you'd be willing to pay the £22,500 asking price.

I assumed they were referring to the make of bike that he rode not the specific bike, in the same way you would refer to a 916 being the bike that Foggy rode. I would have expected his actual bike to be in a private collection somewhere.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Gnasher on 23 April 2020, 04:12:23 pm
I assumed they were referring to the make of bike that he rode not the specific bike, in the same way you would refer to a 916 being the bike that Foggy rode. I would have expected his actual bike to be in a private collection somewhere.


Wayne Gardner and Wayne Clarke rode a CBR1100R and won the Castrol Six Hour Australian Prod race in 82. Whether it's this bike as they claim who knows. 
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: coffee on 23 April 2020, 08:37:19 pm
I think you could only expect this kind of money for an NR750 you know that one with the oval 8valve pistons ? really trick those were,they were a fuckin' fortune when they built 'em so I can't imagine what they'd be going for now! but that 1100's way overpriced IMO as nice as it is.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 23 April 2020, 08:53:12 pm
I think you could only expect this kind of money for an NR750 you know that one with the oval 8valve pistons ? really trick those were,they were a fuckin' fortune when they built 'em so I can't imagine what they'd be going for now! but that 1100's way overpriced IMO as nice as it is.

NRs are apparently fetching £100k +. I think there are an awful lot of optimistic chancers out there, who stick an outrageous price tag on anything approaching old, hoping that some rose tinted bespectacled fool with more money than sense will eventually come along and buy the thing. There are £50k RC30s on eBay that have been on there months. When they're asking £2k for 400 superdream you know the world going mad
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 April 2020, 11:47:43 am
How about an unregistered RC30  - 80 grand.  Again it's something for the showroom that they ain't really that interested in selling.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-VFR750RK-RC30-MOTORCYCLE/153851142147?hash=item23d23e2003:g:u00AAOSwTYFeWEfj (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-VFR750RK-RC30-MOTORCYCLE/153851142147?hash=item23d23e2003:g:u00AAOSwTYFeWEfj)

Or over 40K for a sandcast CB750 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-750-K0-SANDCAST-1969-G-VIN-NUMBER-750/283801601601?hash=item4213e4c641:g:jbcAAOSwAxtdgOwy (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CB-750-K0-SANDCAST-1969-G-VIN-NUMBER-750/283801601601?hash=item4213e4c641:g:jbcAAOSwAxtdgOwy)

Oh, I'd love a Yamaha R7, but not at 32K even if it does have the factory race kit - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-R7-YZR-R7-SUPER-SPORTS/264680656465?hash=item3da0324e51:g:IckAAOSwsZlefZyo (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-R7-YZR-R7-SUPER-SPORTS/264680656465?hash=item3da0324e51:g:IckAAOSwsZlefZyo)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 April 2020, 04:09:07 pm
Is it the loveliest of all modern sports bikes?

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Yamaha-R7-on-Iconic-Motorbike-Auctions/i-WjDcMfG/0/58388cc8/X3/Yamaha%20R7%20-%20Right%20Side-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 24 April 2020, 04:43:21 pm
Is it the loveliest of all modern sports bikes?

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Yamaha-R7-on-Iconic-Motorbike-Auctions/i-WjDcMfG/0/58388cc8/X3/Yamaha%20R7%20-%20Right%20Side-X3.jpg)

To be honest I'd take an R1 over an R7 all day long, just never saw what all the hubbub was with them 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 April 2020, 06:02:02 pm
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To be honest I'd take an R1 over an R7 all day long, just never saw what all the hubbub was with them 🤷‍♂️
It just looks so sweet. 
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: unfazed on 24 April 2020, 07:47:08 pm
One cool machine  :)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: coffee on 24 April 2020, 08:00:28 pm
Is it the loveliest of all modern sports bikes?

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Yamaha-R7-on-Iconic-Motorbike-Auctions/i-WjDcMfG/0/58388cc8/X3/Yamaha%20R7%20-%20Right%20Side-X3.jpg)

To be honest I'd take an R1 over an R7 all day long, just never saw what all the hubbub was with them 🤷‍♂️






Really!? I think the R7 was and is a fabulous bike. IMO. ;)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Gnasher on 25 April 2020, 08:29:20 am
To be honest I'd take an R1 over an R7 all day long, just never saw what all the hubbub was with them


Because it's not built for the road as such only 500 were made. It was a homologation bike to allow it to be used in WSBK and endurance races at the time, all bikes had to be based on a road bike with a minimum of 200 units I think and it was a 750.  Which at the time was the limit for 4 cylinder bikes, twins could be 1000 and that was what saved and relaunched Ducati.  The R7 in road trim was 100 odd bhp, Yam produced two race kits, depending on the depth of your pockets 1st was £700 ish 130 odd bhp, 2nd £10000 ish 160 odd bhp if my memory serves me.


A very trick and rare bike, bloody  8) ;) :D
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 April 2020, 10:47:59 am
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Because it's not built for the road as such only 500 were made. It was a homologation bike to allow it to be used in WSBK and endurance races at the time, all bikes had to be based on a road bike with a minimum of 200 units I think and it was a 750.  Which at the time was the limit for 4 cylinder bikes, twins could be 1000 and that was what saved and relaunched Ducati.  The R7 in road trim was 100 odd bhp, Yam produced two race kits, depending on the depth of your pockets 1st was £700 ish 130 odd bhp, 2nd £10000 ish 160 odd bhp if my memory serves me.


A very trick and rare bike, bloody  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/cool.gif[/url]) ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/url])

 :thumbup
 Absolutely.  Yeah it’s rare as foc.  But seriously, forget for a second how rare it is.  They just got the detailing spot on, the upgraded components, combined with the finish and R7 paint job, along with the headlamps, race tank etc – and all beautifully understated.
 
For me, seriously, it’s maybe the best looking modern sportsbike.  20 years on it looks as good as it did the day it was born. 
If you want one - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-Yamaha-YZF-R7-Only-3-577-Miles-From-New-Stunning-Classic-Yamaha-29-995/254575549478?hash=item3b45e29c26:g:dp0AAOSwKWVenu7w (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2000-Yamaha-YZF-R7-Only-3-577-Miles-From-New-Stunning-Classic-Yamaha-29-995/254575549478?hash=item3b45e29c26:g:dp0AAOSwKWVenu7w)
 
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Gnasher on 25 April 2020, 11:34:44 am
I was luckily enough to have ridden some exotic bikes over the years, out of the box this was one of the best with an up to 30k price tag these days.   
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49817002297_f9056b6786_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUaabH)


Very easy to ride very quick  ;)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 25 April 2020, 11:46:11 am
I was luckily enough to have ridden some exotic bikes over the years, out of the box this was one of the best with an up to 30k price tag these days.   
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49817002297_f9056b6786_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUaabH)


Very easy to ride very quick  ;)

Now that's nice 😍
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 25 April 2020, 12:11:01 pm

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C966135 (https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C966135)
 If anyone has £90k burning a hole in their pocket.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Gnasher on 25 April 2020, 01:12:49 pm
Now that's nice

If you like that you're love this, it replaced the RC30, the RC45 an other homologation bike only 200 ish were made I think. Many changes to the bike one of the main ones being PGM-FI.  This after a bit of a shaky start bike just cleaned up everywhere by 99 it was making 190 odd bhp.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49816395293_eba9759771_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iU73K8)

The bike in full blown works race trim
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49816978046_6521568dd0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUa2YA)

Here's the greatest road racer riding it  8)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49816982846_70db13dcfe_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUa4pm)

Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 25 April 2020, 01:20:01 pm
 Nah, RC30 was much better looking.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Gnasher on 25 April 2020, 01:30:39 pm
Nah, RC30 was much better looking.


It was I'd agree, but this went like stink  :D 8) 8)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 April 2020, 02:13:02 pm
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If anyone has £90k burning a hole in their pocket.
Naw, I’d rather have the R7 and RC30 and some change.  The NR750 hasn’t aged well.  On the hand the 1994 VFR750, whose styling was clearly influenced by the NR750, still looks great today.
   
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 25 April 2020, 04:10:22 pm
 I think this was the best looking model VFR750F. Slightly biased, it's my old bike.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Trebus on 25 April 2020, 05:09:00 pm
FJ or FK I believe?
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 25 April 2020, 05:23:40 pm
Now that's nice

If you like that you're love this, it replaced the RC30, the RC45 an other homologation bike only 200 ish were made I think. Many changes to the bike one of the main ones being PGM-FI.  This after a bit of a shaky start bike just cleaned up everywhere by 99 it was making 190 odd bhp.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49816395293_eba9759771_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iU73K8)

The bike in full blown works race trim
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49816978046_6521568dd0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUa2YA)

Here's the greatest road racer riding it  8)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49816982846_70db13dcfe_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUa4pm)

Yeah that's when sportsbikes really started to find their way looks wise imo
I love the standard livery, no so keen on the race one though.
This is the era of bike that I grew up dreaming of. The poster on my wall as a kid, along with the fzr1000 and then the early yellow triumph daytonas
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 25 April 2020, 05:49:40 pm
FJ or FK I believe?

  Yup, 1988 FJ. Bloody wonderful bike it was but the mrs preferred the BMW pillion so unfortunately it had to go cos I didn't have room for both.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 April 2020, 06:08:14 pm
It's nice Vinnyb, but for me it's the 1995 model.  I wanted one at the time, but couldn't find a nice used one, so bought a CBR600F instead.
(https://www.speedzilla.com/attachments/img_2397-jpg.31966/)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 25 April 2020, 06:09:23 pm
My own personal taste of a 'future classic' was my very first bike.... the Aprilia RS250.
I got mine in about 2002,  paid €750 for a less than perfect example (I was about the 15 owner, had been crashed at least 3 times, stolen twice and the fairing was rattle canned black with homemade vinyl stickers 🙈🙈) but it was my first love and went like a stabbed rat
Seeing the price they are going for now it seems criminal that I sold it for €500 when I moved back to the uk

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202954280503 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202954280503)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 April 2020, 06:09:42 pm
My CBR600F

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2664/4023167303_6f3414733a_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 25 April 2020, 06:14:36 pm
My CBR600F

(https://live.staticflickr.com/2664/4023167303_6f3414733a_o.jpg)

I had one of them for a week when I first passed my test. Was my friends who hadnt passed his test yet so lent it to me from the day I passed until I bought my Thundercat.
Was an alright little bike (with the emphasis being on little.... foccing thing wasnt much bigger than my  125 haha) and seemed rapid coming from the er6 I'd been using for lessons.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Fazian on 25 April 2020, 06:43:06 pm
I was luckily enough to have ridden some exotic bikes over the years, out of the box this was one of the best with an up to 30k price tag these days.   
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49817002297_f9056b6786_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iUaabH)


Very easy to ride very quick  ;)


That was a great looking bike and would have been my next bike back in the day!
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: vinnyb on 25 April 2020, 07:00:19 pm
 When I bought my 1200 Bandit in '96 (my first brand new bike) there was a mint used RC30 in the showroom that was priced at about a grand less than I was paying for the Bandit. If only I'd known then what I know now.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Fazian on 25 April 2020, 07:03:01 pm
When I bought my 1200 Bandit in '96 (my first brand new bike) there was a mint used RC30 in the showroom that was priced at about a grand less than I was paying for the Bandit. If only I'd known then what I know now.


Hindsight eh!!  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Dudeofrude on 25 April 2020, 07:05:04 pm
Makes you wonder what future gold mines are going under our noses right now 🤔
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: Trebus on 25 April 2020, 07:59:46 pm
It's nice Vinnyb, but for me it's the 1995 model.  I wanted one at the time, but couldn't find a nice used one, so bought a CBR600F instead.
(https://www.speedzilla.com/attachments/img_2397-jpg.31966/)

Had an FG ‘86, FV ‘97 and am early 800. Probably preferred the FV out of all of them but FG was also a great bike (sold about 3 years ago)
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: coffee on 25 April 2020, 09:25:56 pm

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C966135 (https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C966135)
 If anyone has £90k burning a hole in their pocket.








Hadn't seen one of these for a few years,I thought they were great at the time and still a fabulous bike but I now think the R7 is actually nicer.
Title: Re: Really?
Post by: YamFazFan on 28 April 2020, 09:08:20 am

I'd never even heard of  the road going NR750 in vinnyb's post. Apparently they were £38,000 new in 1992, when a Fireblade was £7,390 :eek .


They go for around £100,000 now it seems, so £90k probably quite reasonable :\