Post by: evolution on 14 December 2013, 06:27:55 pm
Headlights what headlights i thought i had forgot to turn them on may as well used a candle.
So i sat about improving them and noticed that where headlight bulbs sit in lens each as a small rectangle hole next to them.
After carefully measuring rectangle hole and days weeks reserching on web i had a plan.
I went to my local BMW car showroom and bought 2 of there led bulbs.
These bmw bulbs at front are the same size as a 5p coin and have 7 cree ice white bulbs and the back of them is recantangle and fit perfectly into the rectangle holes in lens.
I cut the fazer pilot light wire spliced it and fixed to both bmw led bulbs and removed standard fazer pilot bulb and holder.
The leds work the same way as the standard fazer pilot light.
I know have on low beam and 2 led bulbs flood and throw from lights approx 15-20 ft on road a head excellent love this bike.
FIRST PHOTO IS THE 2 LED AS YOUR PILOT LIGHTS AND SECOND 2 LEDS AND LOW BEAM.http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh017_zps3e19dd2e.jpghttp://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh016_zpsa05a7b2b.jpg (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh017_zps3e19dd2e.jpghttp://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh016_zpsa05a7b2b.jpg)http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh017_zps3e19dd2e.jpg (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh017_zps3e19dd2e.jpg)
Post by: spencer_foxwell on 14 December 2013, 06:31:57 pm
Post by: evolution on 14 December 2013, 06:48:40 pm
dooooooh photos know added
Post by: John Silva on 14 December 2013, 07:16:01 pm
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh016_zpsa05a7b2b.jpg (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh016_zpsa05a7b2b.jpg)
Post by: Ianboydsnr on 14 December 2013, 07:18:26 pm
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/jamescb1/hhh016_zpsa05a7b2b.jpg) (http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jamescb1/media/hhh016_zpsa05a7b2b.jpg.html)
Post by: Jamieg285 on 17 December 2013, 01:50:13 pm
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Post by: darrsi on 17 December 2013, 04:47:48 pm
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
Post by: alexanderfitu on 17 December 2013, 09:17:16 pm
Post by: evolution on 17 December 2013, 11:14:48 pm
bulb installation is very simple as explained in listing they fit perfectly into the rectangle holes in lens.
i only bought 2 bulbs so dont want to take everything apart just to photo them.
bulbs are 7 cree led for bmw saloons.
Post by: evolution on 17 December 2013, 11:18:33 pm
Post by: evolution on 17 December 2013, 11:34:14 pm
What is the beam pattern like? Any chance of a picture of the actual pattern?
my bike with just the leds on
http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jamescb1/media/mhnbgfr0192_zpsdd7bb482.jpg.html (http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jamescb1/media/mhnbgfr0192_zpsdd7bb482.jpg.html)
Post by: Frosties on 18 December 2013, 07:28:35 am
A2 corridor into London..............reckon that's about 120 bikes who'd have a ride out out for that. How many mugs you got & how big's you're kettle. Ooooh, bacon butties aswell :lol - best start prepping the wife, this Saturday ok??
Post by: alexanderfitu on 18 December 2013, 08:46:53 am
What is the beam pattern like? Any chance of a picture of the actual pattern?
my bike with just the leds on
[url]http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jamescb1/media/mhnbgfr0192_zpsdd7bb482.jpg.html[/url] ([url]http://s274.photobucket.com/user/jamescb1/media/mhnbgfr0192_zpsdd7bb482.jpg.html[/url])
Sorry I meant the beam pattern from the bike going forward.
Post by: kawasutra on 18 December 2013, 01:57:02 pm
I would also like to see the pattern the lights form looking ahead from the seat.
Thanks
Post by: evolution on 18 December 2013, 11:35:12 pm
will try to take photo tomorrow.
Post by: evolution on 18 December 2013, 11:36:53 pm
Christ they're bloody good fella. Any particular BMW saloon or did you just ask for a set of side lamps?
A2 corridor into London..............reckon that's about 120 bikes who'd have a ride out out for that. How many mugs you got & how big's you're kettle. Ooooh, bacon butties aswell :lol - best start prepping the wife, this Saturday ok??
keep with your frosties pal.
what makes you think im a man
Post by: evolution on 18 December 2013, 11:42:22 pm
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
hi i have made it very clear and fitting is as easy as changing a bulb.
Post by: Fuzzy on 19 December 2013, 01:28:55 am
Post by: darrsi on 19 December 2013, 06:49:12 am
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
hi i have made it very clear and fitting is as easy as changing a bulb.
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
Post by: limax2 on 19 December 2013, 09:57:11 am
I'm looking forward to the concluding episode of this saga ;) .
Post by: dcurzon on 19 December 2013, 01:45:02 pm
Post by: wickedmonkey on 19 December 2013, 02:37:57 pm
I too would be most interested in seeing what you did in more detail. The lights as standard are not great are they? I changed my bulbs to Osrams and whilst this helped considerably, it could still be better.
Post by: evolution on 19 December 2013, 08:16:54 pm
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
LOL
i have been avoiding nothing i have explained everything a child could fit them
hi i have made it very clear and fitting is as easy as changing a bulb.
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
Post by: evolution on 19 December 2013, 08:18:34 pm
Looks like a worthwhile mod evolution. How much did the leds cost?
hi
bulbs was £14.90
Post by: evolution on 19 December 2013, 08:38:54 pm
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
No need to beg
I have gave very straight easy to understand details and what are you trying to suggest when you write AVOIDING QUESTIONS.
Maybe if you understood english better you would be able to understand the very simple way that i have fitted these leds so that even a child could fit them. :foc
Post by: alexanderfitu on 19 December 2013, 08:43:01 pm
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
No need to beg
I have gave very straight easy to understand details and what are you trying to suggest when you write AVOIDING QUESTIONS.
Maybe if you understood english better you would be able to understand the very simple way that i have fitted these leds so that even a child could fit them. :foc
Im sorry, but I diasgree. I have no idea, along with most of the other people on this thread, of what you have actually done.
Post by: darrsi on 19 December 2013, 09:06:53 pm
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
No need to beg
I have gave very straight easy to understand details and what are you trying to suggest when you write AVOIDING QUESTIONS.
Maybe if you understood english better you would be able to understand the very simple way that i have fitted these leds so that even a child could fit them. :foc
I don't understand your English because you write and spell like a child, but that's neither here nor there!
The point is several people have now asked for more details, preferably photo's, but you're answering like it's some sort of childish game so STILL nobody is any wiser?
A picture speaks a thousand words, can you comprehend that or not, or are you really just that arrogant? :crazy
Post by: apage16 on 19 December 2013, 09:40:04 pm
Just take 2 pictures.
1 of the bulb through the lens (its see through!) but with the bulb turned off. This will show us all A) what the bulb looks like and B) how you've fitted it.
2. A picture of a wall in front of the bike, as you sit on the bike, with the led bulbs illuminated. Thus we'll all be able to see A) how bright the bulbs really are, and B) what pattern of light they throw out.
A picture tells a thousand words.
Post by: Farjo on 19 December 2013, 10:09:31 pm
I removed some posts, which I don't like to do because it's best if people look after themselves.
It's obvious that people are getting frustrated how how about one of you go round to evolution's place and check out the job, take the pictures and do a more detailed write-up. Just because evolution has done the discovery doesn't mean he is good at communicating his find.
So who's volunteering?
Post by: N A Chess on 19 December 2013, 10:16:36 pm
Post by: darrsi on 19 December 2013, 10:29:45 pm
:stop
I removed some posts, which I don't like to do because it's best if people look after themselves.
It's obvious that people are getting frustrated how how about one of you go round to evolution's place and check out the job, take the pictures and do a more detailed write-up. Just because evolution has done the discovery doesn't mean he is good at communicating his find.
So who's volunteering?
Think i'll pass on that one thanks :lol
Post by: alexanderfitu on 19 December 2013, 10:30:16 pm
:stop
I removed some posts, which I don't like to do because it's best if people look after themselves.
It's obvious that people are getting frustrated how how about one of you go round to evolution's place and check out the job, take the pictures and do a more detailed write-up. Just because evolution has done the discovery doesn't mean he is good at communicating his find.
So who's volunteering?
Think i'll pass on that one thanks :lol
Lol!
Post by: darrsi on 19 December 2013, 10:48:21 pm
Just wondered about MOT issues? My local Yam dealer told me that even the very common Fazer headlight modification (so that both sides come on) is a fail........... :eek
My bike has always passed okay with the mod.
I could understand if it was something outrageous, but to me it's a blatant necessity at the very least, unless they're more concerned about the wiring side of things?
Post by: apage16 on 19 December 2013, 10:49:53 pm
Just wondered about MOT issues? My local Yam dealer told me that even the very common Fazer headlight modification (so that both sides come on) is a fail........... :eek
They're just scaring you.
The MOT regulations say this:
"On twin headlamp systems only one or both headlamp may be illuminated for either dipped or main beam. Each headlamp that can be illuminated on dipped beam must meet the requirement for dipped beam headlamps."
So you can have twin headlights, that both illuminate at once. Yamaha just choose not to, apparently due to euro safety recommendations that say a bike with twin headlights MIGHT be mistaken at night for a car that is further away (due to the small distance between the lights).
Personally I put being able to see where I'm going slightly above what a cager MIGHT think! And I NEVER assume they've seen me anyway.
Post by: dcurzon on 19 December 2013, 11:25:30 pm
Would you be able to give us the bulb type? Eg. H1, H4 or whatever it is?
I've been going through various BMW bulb fitments and not yet found the one you've used.
Thanks
Post by: wickedmonkey on 20 December 2013, 10:08:48 am
Post by: kawasutra on 20 December 2013, 11:40:31 am
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Personally I put being able to see where I'm going slightly above what a caged MIGHT think! And I NEVER assume they've seen me anyway.
Completely agree with this sentiment. Assume they're all clueless and blind as a bat and ride every mile defensively!!! :D
Anyway, back to the Christmas Miracle LED light mod, I hope someone close to evolution manages to pop down and get us the write up we're all begging for :b
Post by: darrsi on 20 December 2013, 01:55:31 pm
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Personally I put being able to see where I'm going slightly above what a caged MIGHT think! And I NEVER assume they've seen me anyway.
Completely agree with this sentiment. Assume they're all clueless and blind as a bat and ride every mile defensively!!! :D
Anyway, back to the Christmas Miracle LED light mod, I hope someone close to evolution manages to pop down and get us the write up we're all begging for :b
I think you should go, as technically you're a bit closer than me. :lol
Post by: limax2 on 20 December 2013, 02:03:07 pm
Anyone know if I can do this mod to my 98 Fazer? I think the headlamps are different.This mod is shown on a Mk1 or boxeye Fazer, which is what a 1998 model will be unless it has been modified with the later fairing etc. The 2002-2003 Fazer, known as the foxeye type, has a different headlight which has much better dip and main beam. This mod would not be of much use to the later model except for a better pilot light.
Post by: Farjo on 25 December 2013, 02:26:33 am
Post by: darrsi on 25 December 2013, 08:29:48 am
Post by: Fazerider on 25 December 2013, 09:59:41 am
From the fuzzy images he's provided it looks like the LEDs are mounted next to the existing H4 and H1 bulbs. That suggests his reflectors may have been modified before he got hold of the bike since the standard reflectors don't have these rectangular holes he refers to.
It also suggests the mod isn't likely to last very long… LEDs don't cope well with high temperatures. Mount them next to a 55w bulb and they'll be fried in a few hours.
Post by: kawasutra on 25 December 2013, 12:16:10 pm
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Personally I put being able to see where I'm going slightly above what a caged MIGHT think! And I NEVER assume they've seen me anyway.
Completely agree with this sentiment. Assume they're all clueless and blind as a bat and ride every mile defensively!!! :D
Anyway, back to the Christmas Miracle LED light mod, I hope someone close to evolution manages to pop down and get us the write up we're all begging for :b
I think you should go, as technically you're a bit closer than me. :lol
I just moved houses now to make YOU closer! :lol
There's no christmas tree in your street, but it IS snowing on my side of Kenton Road :b
Post by: alexanderfitu on 25 December 2013, 12:24:42 pm
it IS snowing on my side of Kenton Road :b
It's sunny in pinner road!
Post by: kawasutra on 25 December 2013, 12:36:41 pm
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It's sunny in pinner road!
as it's said in old money, Scorchio!!
:thumbup :thumbup :sun :sun
Post by: alexanderfitu on 25 December 2013, 12:46:17 pm
Molto Molto scortchioQuote
It's sunny in pinner road!
as it's said in old money, Scorchio!!
:thumbup :thumbup :sun :sun
Post by: darrsi on 25 December 2013, 12:57:11 pm
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Personally I put being able to see where I'm going slightly above what a caged MIGHT think! And I NEVER assume they've seen me anyway.
Completely agree with this sentiment. Assume they're all clueless and blind as a bat and ride every mile defensively!!! :D
Anyway, back to the Christmas Miracle LED light mod, I hope someone close to evolution manages to pop down and get us the write up we're all begging for :b
I think you should go, as technically you're a bit closer than me. :lol
I just moved houses now to make YOU closer! :lol
There's no christmas tree in your street, but it IS snowing on my side of Kenton Road :b
You've moved the other side of me now?
Would that've been you turning into the road next to the pub on a red bike that i saw the other day then?
Post by: kawasutra on 25 December 2013, 01:17:10 pm
Quote
Personally I put being able to see where I'm going slightly above what a caged MIGHT think! And I NEVER assume they've seen me anyway.
Completely agree with this sentiment. Assume they're all clueless and blind as a bat and ride every mile defensively!!! :D
Anyway, back to the Christmas Miracle LED light mod, I hope someone close to evolution manages to pop down and get us the write up we're all begging for :b
I think you should go, as technically you're a bit closer than me. :lol
I just moved houses now to make YOU closer! :lol
There's no christmas tree in your street, but it IS snowing on my side of Kenton Road :b
You've moved the other side of me now?
Would that've been you turning into the road next to the pub on a red bike that i saw the other day then?
That is most possible, yes, although I would prefer if if we used the official colour name for my bike: Vivid Red Cocktail. Yeah, that's right, I'm well hard! :lol
Post by: limax2 on 25 December 2013, 03:56:00 pm
That suggests his reflectors may have been modified before he got hold of the bike since the standard reflectors don't have these rectangular holes he refers to.
I think the holes referred to are just in front of where the bulb retaining wire clips in place. About 9mm high and 7mm wide but with the 9mm sides curved a bit.
As previously said the shield on the left hand side bulb partley covers the hole.
In keeping with all good descriptions, a couple of photo's to illustrate the point ;) .
Post by: Fazerider on 26 December 2013, 12:18:07 am
That suggests his reflectors may have been modified before he got hold of the bike since the standard reflectors don't have these rectangular holes he refers to.
I think the holes referred to are just in front of where the bulb retaining wire clips in place. About 9mm high and 7mm wide but with the 9mm sides curved a bit.
I wondered if that might be it, and dismissed it as the bit that the clip hooks onto would be in the way, but perhaps you could jam a T10 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200968315178) in there.
It's still going to get cooked by the incandescent bulb though.
Post by: midden on 26 December 2013, 12:39:03 am
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
hi i have made it very clear and fitting is as easy as changing a bulb.
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
Well here's a possible way to make Evolution wonder why why he/she bothered.
Post by: darrsi on 26 December 2013, 09:11:04 am
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
hi i have made it very clear and fitting is as easy as changing a bulb.
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
Well here's a possible way to make Evolution wonder why why he/she bothered.
I know i didn't exactly mince my words but we weren't really getting anywhere, so i thought maybe it's time to get straight to the point.
Even that didn't work though did it? :rolleyes
Post by: wickedmonkey on 27 December 2013, 09:37:40 am
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to know more about this.
Any more details on the type of bulbs? Any pictures showing how they are installed?
Yep, bit more detail please, you have my attention!
hi i have made it very clear and fitting is as easy as changing a bulb.
I beg to differ, all you've done is show a picture of a beam of light.
This is a forum designed to give people detailed help, and although you've taken the time to show us the end result, most people, especially ones very new to biking or with zero or very minimal hands on experience would've preferred to see some photo's of the fitment instead, but you seem to be avoiding questions by giving daft answers. :wall
Well here's a possible way to make Evolution wonder why why he/she bothered.
I know i didn't exactly mince my words but we weren't really getting anywhere, so i thought maybe it's time to get straight to the point.
Even that didn't work though did it? :rolleyes
I hope evolution is still around. Sounds like he could contribute a lot.
Post by: pointer2null on 29 December 2013, 08:43:29 pm
What is the beam pattern like (i.e. what shape is the light beam if pointed at a wall)? Reason for asking is to see if this would pass the MOT.
(http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_160.htm (http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_160.htm))
Post by: Farjo on 30 December 2013, 01:06:58 pm
Post by: Exupnut on 30 December 2013, 02:31:26 pm
Post by: Farjo on 30 December 2013, 03:46:44 pm
Is it a question of measuring the hole(s) and asking BMW what bulbs they have that fit? If there's a problem with temp then are there other main bulbs available that give off less heat?
Post by: Fuzzy on 30 December 2013, 04:00:55 pm
I have a pair of these LED lights mounted on my bike and they are fantastic, but are substantial standalone units.
http://www.zenoverland.com/lighting/rigid_industries_led_dually_lights.html
(http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting?f[0)
Post by: Exupnut on 30 December 2013, 04:54:18 pm
...and he was verbally abusive in return, that was one of the posts that I cut.
Ok farjo....didnt see the cut posts. Why do i miss the juicy handbags at dawn posts? Maybee u could PM them. I could do with a laff today ;-)
Post by: darrsi on 30 December 2013, 05:10:12 pm
...and he was verbally abusive in return, that was one of the posts that I cut.
Is it a question of measuring the hole(s) and asking BMW what bulbs they have that fit? If there's a problem with temp then are there other main bulbs available that give off less heat?
I wondered why you stepped in when you did?
Did i give him a hard time? That's certainly debatable, but it was like trying to get blood out of a stone.
And the most annoying thing is that it probably IS the easiest mod going, but his social skills haven't allowed us to really find out 100%, which is a bit of a shame really.
Post by: limax2 on 30 December 2013, 08:10:16 pm
I have a pair of these LED lights mounted on my bike and they are fantastic, but are substantial standalone units.
]http://www.zenoverland.com/lighting/rigid_industries_led_dually_lights.html
That link brings up 544 different lights. Not enough detail :eek . Just the sort of post to get you hounded of the site :lol . (http://www.zenoverland.com/lighting/rigid_industries_led_dually_lights.html[/quote)
Post by: Fuzzy on 30 December 2013, 08:33:46 pm
that link is focced for some reason? It takes you to a totally different page despite being typed correctly.
Here it is again:
http://www.zenoverland.com/lighting/rigid_industries_led_dually_lights.html
Anyway, you could have cut & pasted the link instead of just clicking it, even a child could have worked that out ;) :lol (http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting?f[0)
Post by: Fuzzy on 30 December 2013, 08:34:26 pm
Take 3
http://www.zenoverland.com/lighting/rigid_industries_led_dually_lights.html (http://www.zenoverland.com/lighting/rigid_industries_led_dually_lights.html)
Post by: limax2 on 30 December 2013, 09:48:58 pm
I've just watched the vidio for those lights and must say they look amazing. On my box eye I always feel a bit like Cinderella and mustn't stay out too late, but with good lights I could eliminate my fear of the dark 8) .
Would you care to pass an opinion on which might be best for mainly out of built up areas type riding, 1) a pair of spots, 2) a pair of floods, or 3) one of each?
Post by: Fuzzy on 30 December 2013, 10:17:29 pm
I did a fair bit of research and went with a pair of spots. They work like a high beam and are best at throwing a lot of light down the road. I used them when riding in the alps at night and on unlit country roads here in the UK and that's the environment in which they really shine.
Easy to fit. I mounted them on my crash bars. Had them on for about 2yrs now and been 100% reliable.