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Germany and France started it cause they are unhappy its a British success and they get their noses rubbed in it by just having the name Oxford
BoJo ordered 340 million vaccines (about three times as many as we'd need!)If he starts flogging them off before everyone gets a second jab, he's going to have a lot of *very* pissed off people asking questions.
Quote We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU. You seem to be straying into politics here tsk tsk Anyway, just to correct you, France and Germany (and others) didn't say 'it didn't work'. They said the data was incomplete. Now perhaps the Scottish data is complete. As for Britain, Johnson can't even keep data on how many children he has, let alone count effective vaccine doses. I seem to have strayed into politics too.
We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.
Nope, thats not politics, thats personal
Quote Nope, thats not politics, thats personal Not sure where, but I'll take your word for it.
Yep. First dose.Waiting for the funny....
Three of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!
My GF, who has severe asthma, had her first jab at the end of January.A couple of weeks ago on Saturday, despite her having been shielding for over a year, she called me downstairs saying she was not feeling well. We thought it was just another asthma flare up, but called 111 and, having been told her symptoms, they sent an ambulance.It ended up with her being taken into hospital overnight where they confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)On Friday, we'd been cuddling, on the Saturday, I spent over an hour right next to her whilst she was coughing etc, yet, even though I haven't had a jab yet, I have *not* shown any signs of the virus, even though it would normally be pretty much guaranteed that she'd have been contagious had she not had the jab.Also she has (especially given her asthma) had a very mild case. Yes, she's been coughing, had a temperature and been tired, but, compared to some of the possible symptoms, she's got off lightly and I've got away scot free.Now, of course this is only a single example, but it's an interesting data point.ADDENDUM: When she had the jab, she did have some aches and felt a bit off, but nothing major.
confirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.)
Quoteconfirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.) What do you mean.
Quote from: fazersharp on 04 March 2021, 12:52:34 pmQuoteconfirmed that she'd contracted COVID-19. (We guess it was from a dodgy packet or food delivery she's had.) What do you mean.Because she can't go out, she's been ordering stuff she needs online, including getting take-out meals delivered.If someone who packed one of the deliveries or made one of those meals was contagious and didn't know (or, worse, knew, but worked anyway!) then she could have picked it up that way.
Quote from: mtread on 03 March 2021, 06:10:51 pmThree of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s.
Quote from: fazersharp on 03 March 2021, 06:48:34 pmQuote from: mtread on 03 March 2021, 06:10:51 pmThree of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s. "Maybe" there were no side effects because the antibodies were already in place due to a previous infection, and simply did their job effectively? Whereas people who get side effects may have to produce the antibodies from scratch, which is the whole point of the exercise, to lay dormant and ready for a future attack. Sounds good in my head anyway
Quote from: darrsi on 04 March 2021, 02:40:20 pmQuote from: fazersharp on 03 March 2021, 06:48:34 pmQuote from: mtread on 03 March 2021, 06:10:51 pmThree of us have had the first dose of AstraZeneca. Wife and daughter (care worker) had a bad 24 hours afterwards, both taken to bed with headaches and shivers. Me, nothing at all. Perhaps I'm the one who should be worried!Well yes that was my observation a few post ago when doctors and scientists were playing down any side effects they said that (from memory) "you want side effects because that shows that your imune system is doing its job and mounting a response" So by that rationale - no side effects - no immune response- no protection. There is another constant from the trails that the young are more likely to have a and or more severe reaction. But that is probably down to the fact that the trials did not have enough over 65s in it to get popper results on that. Which brings us back to the reason the EU up until now not giving it to over 65s. "Maybe" there were no side effects because the antibodies were already in place due to a previous infection, and simply did their job effectively? Whereas people who get side effects may have to produce the antibodies from scratch, which is the whole point of the exercise, to lay dormant and ready for a future attack. Sounds good in my head anyway But i think i remember reading in a scientist study or something that you get more of a reaction if you have already had covid
But we are being told that you can not catch it from packaging or post.
Quote from: fazersharp on 04 March 2021, 01:12:17 pmBut we are being told that you can not catch it from packaging or post.Not exactly. And, with takeaway food, it rather requires them to have taken proper precautions...https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-consumers-on-coronavirus-covid-19-and-food/guidance-for-consumers-on-coronavirus-covid-19-and-food
My mate has just been informed that their 2nd jab is to be delayed by a week so it will now be 13 weeks after the first.Also Found this on the BBC website thought was interesting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56375307 it pretty much backs up everything have said about the old not having side effects and people who have had covid in the past having a worse reaction than someone who has not had it.My mate is convinced they had it last Feb to mid march.