I live in Scotland, but I am a citizen of the UK, and I consider myself a Brit, can I come out and play on my motorbike.
You could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.
Quote from: fazersharp on 12 May 2020, 09:56:10 amYou could always go out on your bike , to go to work, shops, medical -----blah blah.No and you're inciting him to break Scottish law which is an offence under English and Scotish Law oops
The same new rules apply to motorcycles as cars from Wednesday according to MCN reports. We can now ride to open spaces with no distance restrctions, providing we do not leave England and cross the borders of Wales & Scotland. where the restrictions still apply. We must still apply the 2mtr rule though, so peeps use your common sense, don't gather in large groups, obey the rules, keep the rubber side down, watch out for dozy cagers and stay safe.
There has never been anything to say you cannot use a motorbike to carry out essential journeys and it is certainly not against the law. It is a high (compared to taking the car) risk activity that any sensible person would avoid though at the moment if they could.Non-essential journeys on the other hand...…...
The point here mate is, in Wales you still can't go to work they remain in lockdown, so this chap can't go to work in England as he's still in lockdown in Wales. Or that's what the emergency law/measures state................... or can he confusing!
They have NEVER said you cannot go to work.
but most shut voluntarily.
The change in message on Sunday was to try to make people realise that HMG do not have a bottomless bucket of money to pay for all the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home instead claiming their 80%
This chaps job is located in England he lives in Wales, since today there're 2 different laws in operation. Currently living in Wales he can't leave his house unless his work is essential, it can't be as was staying home, now saying under Boris new plan for England he needs to go to work, so he must have been staying at home furloughed, or if self employed living off savings as I don't believe they get any money until June. Common sense doesn't come into to it if you're living in Wales he can't go out, except for the above, which by definition he doesn't qualify or he'd not be asking the question.
No, unless you were on the essential work list e.g. NHS, Police, Fire, gas fitters, maintenance/repair, supermarket worker, delivery driver, postman etc or couldn't work from home, you was shut down. That changed only today after Boris announcement on Sunday.
So everybody who's been furloughed is really just a lazy sod................Hmmm interesting. I'm not furloughed and have been working, my Mrs has been, are you saying my Mrs is a lazy sod and everybody else who's been furloughed?
1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughedAt no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential In fact the welsh wording is …..With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home). This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.
This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post. Confusion end of.
Quote from: BBROWN1664 on 13 May 2020, 01:11:20 pm1. Some firms shut because they were ordered to (pubs, cinema, non-essential shops etc- staff furloughed2. some shut because they had no work as a result (commercial cleaners that speacialised in cinemas etc) - staff furloughed3. Some shut as they were not safe initially to continue (Bentley cars etc) then gradually reopened as they made working space safe etc - staff furloughed initially4. Some shut because they misinterpreted what was said - poor management - staff furloughed5. Some shut because they were on the ropes already and used it as an excuse - poor management - staff furloughedAt no point did the government say do not do to work unless it is essential In fact the welsh wording is …..With the exception of the organisations covered in the guidance on businesses closures the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. However, new requirements came into force on 7 April which means that all businesses and persons responsible for work which is being carried out on premises to take all reasonable measures to ensure that 2 metres distance is kept between all people on those premises (except members of the same household e.g. where a tradesperson is carrying out repairs in someone’s home). This includes work being carried out both indoors and outdoors.This can be seen here https://gov.wales/staying-home-and-away-others-guidance#section-39182A lot of people tool this to mean essential work only to be carried out when in fact it wasn't.Now the government is trying to get people to go back that fall into category 3, 4 & 5 above by trying to make it clearer. Any that can, should, if it is safe to do so. As such, it is only people that CANNOT do their job safely or falls into 1 & 2 above that should be staying at home 100% of the time claiming the furlough.It matters not, what of your interpreted categories you think he falls in, they yours not the emergency measures. The list the Welch government closed is the same as in England at the time and is extensive https://gov.wales/coronavirus-covid-19-closure-businesses-and-premises there would alosbe other business that couldn't operate as something they or supplied went to a business that was shut, so by definition they can't continue trading. Or perhaps their all lazy sods too? The chap works in whatever business in England that was shut for whatever reason, he now needs to go back to work in England due to the changes in England, it couldn't by definition be essential or directly/indirectly working for or supplying an essential business or he wouldn't have been off. This issue here is and is all part of the utter confusion Boris and the English government has now crated is Wales is still under one set of rules and England under another, hence the post. Confusion end of. And are you still saying my Mrs and everybody else that's furloughed is lazy sod, as you've conveniently dodged that question?
Gnasher - I provided a link to the welsh assembly wording. The UK wording is very similar. Only certain businesses were forced to close. Others chose to close for a variety of reasons. As for the "lazy sods" comment, read it again. I actually said " the lazy sods who could work SAFELY but chose to sit at home". The key word there is "chose". i.e wont go back to work even though they could.
Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.Take your playground squabbles elsewhere, there have been enough threads ruined on this forum already. and
Will you lot foc off out of this thread with your political shite, this thread was started by the OP as to remind people they could just go out on their bike for a ride if they chose to do so.
this thread was started by the OP as to remind people who live in England they could just go out on their bike for a ride in England if they chose to do so