As they say, everybody makes mistakes that's why cars have bumpers, pencils have rubbers and bike gloves are armoured along with tough boots.I must say I'm quite tolerant of mistakes but quite intolerant of bad, dangerous and/or stupid drivers.
Quote from: Bretty on 20 December 2016, 06:53:08 pmAs they say, everybody makes mistakes that's why cars have bumpers, pencils have rubbers and bike gloves are armoured along with tough boots.I must say I'm quite tolerant of mistakes but quite intolerant of bad, dangerous and/or stupid drivers.Fixed that for you fella
When I used to go to work every day on the bike, traffic upsets would happen. My response to them changed after it occurred to me that every day i was travelling with the same cars around me. My thoughts went on the lines of one day a car cuts me up and I respond, great, but what about the days to follow, if you have upset a real nutter you could fine out how vulnerable motorcyclists are.
We've all been there fella!I ride a bit like Elsa from Frozen now . . . Let it go let it go Honestly very little surprises me with Cagers these days, it's about time they put a 'bike safety' module into either the theory or the practical car test.
theres are bad drivers every where.its best to curse to yourself ,its not worth it chasing after them coz of bad driving.you just don't know who you are dealing with.they may have a knife ,gun ,club or what ever.remember kenneth noye who stabbed another young driver.its just not worth it .
They should not allow anyone behind the wheel of a car until they have passed their CBT on a bike as a minimum. Better still , ban anyone from sitting behind the wheel of a car until they can evidence at least 100 hours of on-road bike experience.
Quote from: BBROWN1664 on 22 December 2016, 11:55:27 amThey should not allow anyone behind the wheel of a car until they have passed their CBT on a bike as a minimum. Better still , ban anyone from sitting behind the wheel of a car until they can evidence at least 100 hours of on-road bike experience.If that were the case I'd suggest the same for both sides of the fence. Everyone should be required to have time spent on both a bike AND in a car. I've known one or two sole bikers who could do with spending some time behind the wheel of a carWe're all motorists after all and although some groups will live up to certain stereotypes more than others, we should all be willing to improve ourselves
Quote from: Dead Eye on 03 January 2017, 06:03:48 pmQuote from: BBROWN1664 on 22 December 2016, 11:55:27 amThey should not allow anyone behind the wheel of a car until they have passed their CBT on a bike as a minimum. Better still , ban anyone from sitting behind the wheel of a car until they can evidence at least 100 hours of on-road bike experience.If that were the case I'd suggest the same for both sides of the fence. Everyone should be required to have time spent on both a bike AND in a car. I've known one or two sole bikers who could do with spending some time behind the wheel of a carWe're all motorists after all and although some groups will live up to certain stereotypes more than others, we should all be willing to improve ourselvesNot arguing with you on that point as yes there are a lot of bikers out there that really could do with some extra road training. However, the point is that bikers are more vulnerable due to car drivers not looking or knowing where to look, plus you go through more intensive training and tests to get a bike licence than you do to get a car licence, so maybe they should introduce mod 1 & 2 tests for getting a car licence.
Quote from: Fazer99 on 03 January 2017, 07:05:55 pmQuote from: Dead Eye on 03 January 2017, 06:03:48 pmQuote from: BBROWN1664 on 22 December 2016, 11:55:27 amThey should not allow anyone behind the wheel of a car until they have passed their CBT on a bike as a minimum. Better still , ban anyone from sitting behind the wheel of a car until they can evidence at least 100 hours of on-road bike experience.If that were the case I'd suggest the same for both sides of the fence. Everyone should be required to have time spent on both a bike AND in a car. I've known one or two sole bikers who could do with spending some time behind the wheel of a carWe're all motorists after all and although some groups will live up to certain stereotypes more than others, we should all be willing to improve ourselvesNot arguing with you on that point as yes there are a lot of bikers out there that really could do with some extra road training. However, the point is that bikers are more vulnerable due to car drivers not looking or knowing where to look, plus you go through more intensive training and tests to get a bike licence than you do to get a car licence, so maybe they should introduce mod 1 & 2 tests for getting a car licence.Would this training include caravan towing blocking single track roads
Quote from: Fazer99 on 03 January 2017, 07:05:55 pmQuote from: Dead Eye on 03 January 2017, 06:03:48 pmQuote from: BBROWN1664 on 22 December 2016, 11:55:27 amThey should not allow anyone behind the wheel of a car until they have passed their CBT on a bike as a minimum. Better still , ban anyone from sitting behind the wheel of a car until they can evidence at least 100 hours of on-road bike experience.If that were the case I'd suggest the same for both sides of the fence. Everyone should be required to have time spent on both a bike AND in a car. I've known one or two sole bikers who could do with spending some time behind the wheel of a carWe're all motorists after all and although some groups will live up to certain stereotypes more than others, we should all be willing to improve ourselvesNot arguing with you on that point as yes there are a lot of bikers out there that really could do with some extra road training. However, the point is that bikers are more vulnerable due to car drivers not looking or knowing where to look, plus you go through more intensive training and tests to get a bike licence than you do to get a car licence, so maybe they should introduce mod 1 & 2 tests for getting a car licence.Fair points, well made Though strangely I feel as though I went through less training to get my motorcycle licence than I did for my car licence.I did about 15 months of driving (my dad taught me) to get my car licence whereas I went from zero experience to having a full motorcycle licence in just under a month and a half due to Direct Access. Though of course you can do the same sort of thing with car licences as wellBut again, the laws regarding motorcycle training have changed yet again since I did it. Also, the Mod 1 and Mod 2 tests are in place due to EU law requirements regarding speed. One of the tests requires you to accelerate to at least 50kph which is above the street legal 30mph in the UK and as such, this has to be performed off of the public highway creating the split between Mod 1 and 2 - though I'm sure most of you are aware of that That being said, practicing those manoeuvres off road is usefulOne other quick thought... getting a licence almost seems a bit like standardised tests for education. You are taught how to pass a test more than you are taught how to perform the task - for some that's not a problem as we can easily understand how to transfer the skills to real life. But for others, they never fully take on board what they are being taught and end up as some of the most dangerous drivers on the roads