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General => General => Topic started by: BBROWN1664 on 26 March 2018, 12:16:40 pm
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The company I work for, in my view, seems to have a disproportionate number of females in top jobs when compared to the rank and file people proportion. According to the link below they also appear to earn less than their male equivalents. Are they equivalent though? Do they have comparable skills (probably) and experience (may not be quite as much)? Why do I think this? Because it always seems to be a case of positive discrimination when jobs are advertised. Less experienced, but female, candidates get the job ahead of their male opponents in the job contest.
Now, with the information being published, I guess the next big thing will be another year or three of no pay rises for men whilst the women get a pay rise just to bring them in line with the mens salaries. :evil
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43470827 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43470827)
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Good point, job equivalence can be difficult to measure.
The recent row at the BBC where Carrie Gracie resigned as China Editor because she wasn’t being paid the same as the US/Canada Editor is a good example. Doubtless she could do Jon Sopel’s job with more success than he could do hers since he’s not a Mandarin speaker, but that’s not really the point.
Far more important is the value of the job, and I’d say news from the US and Canada is a good bit more worthwhile than that from China and the salary should reflect that. It should also reflect experience and take no regard as to whether the candidate has internal or external genitalia.
The BBC hasn’t appointed a replacement for Ms Gracie’s former post, China has merely been added to the Asia/Pacific Editor’s brief.
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There was a case recently where female shop till workers were claiming their job was equivalent to male (manual) workers in the distribution warehouse. What the report didn't say was that the male shop till workers actually earned the same as the female shop till workers and the female distribution workers earned the same as their male colleagues.
This was a case of job equivalency which is down to the company to decide but the BBC (and others) made it sound like it was a female/male thing.
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I totally agree. I have a friend who is a fireman and has been in the brigade for nearly 20 years. He was telling me that the recent push to have more women join has forced the training to be altered more to suit the female form. The times have been lengthened, the dummies(bodies?) Have been lightened to almost child weight and the amount of equipment they are supposed to carry has been lessened.
He also said basically if you try for a job you have to be either female or a minority to even stand a chance..... not because of racism or sexism but purely just to tick boxes so they can say they have a diverse' staff.
It sickens me all this 'equality' bollocks. Everyone isn't equal, that's just a fact of life.
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Trouble is with these surveys they don' tell the hole story, take 20 men 20 women compare there salarys the men earn more , but what they don't mention is the men work a lot more hours.
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Where I work there are two women who both work in the office, there are 28 men doing the manual work.
In the female toilet there are four washbasins and four traps, in the mens two washbasins and two traps, now that is gender inequality!
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Yes the gender pay gap is real and it's unfair. Traditionally, senior roles are dominated by white upper middle class men which skews the figures in favour of the male half of the workforce. Unfortunately not all male workers are executives, both men and women have suffered poor wages and working conditions at the hands of the 'men in grey suits'. Doesn't matter how many women they appoint at the top or push into middle management, the ordinary worker male & female still gets sh*t on.
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Capitalism is unfair. But if you have capitalism, of course you'll have a pay gap. If you want communism, just say so. :)
I had worked at a bike repair (and sale) shop. Had the same job title as all the other mechanics. A few top mechanics had about 50% higher pays. There were two women, with the same job title, but they didn't (want to) do any wrenching. Good workers as well, but they were doing the sales and customer talking. When I learned how much the "top" guys get paid, as well as which one among them got the biggest pay, didn't have any complaints. If anyone had asked me who I'd pay the most and, of all those people, who I would first pick for the job - those were the highest paid ones. If anyone did a pay review - yes, women were paid less. They were also not the one's coming in for overtime, weekend rushes etc, since they wanted to spend more time with their kids. It is cruel, unfair - capitalism always is. But I don't think it has much to do with gender.
BTW, pretty soon after having arrived there, the top guys would use my name as an example how it should be done. However, I left relatively quickly, having realised there's not much left to learn and opened my own shop. So far so good. If I had stayed there, I'd have asked for a higher pay. When hiring a mechanic, IMO it would be stupid to disregard a woman, or pay her less and have her leave, just because she's a woman. My main criteria would be the quality of work, attention to details, good "diplomacy" with the (troublesome) customers and commitment. This last thing is the main difference IMO. Women are probably not as crazy as men and most of them put family before the career.
All those studies never seem to ask the workers being studied what they thing of the pays. Same goes for managers, of course. Do those, less paid female workers/managers thing they deserve to be paid as high as the top paid workers/managers?
The greatest inequality is not between genders, but between classes. But you can't complain about that AND live in a capitalist country. It's like complaining about the heat in Africa.
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The greatest inequality is not between genders, but between classes. But you can't complain about that AND live in a capitalist country. It's like complaining about the heat in Africa.
In THIS country (UK) I think the biggest issue (threat) are the "ethnic minorities".
They are coming here planting their seed, pushing their (third world) religions, then screaming racist when one of us "white" people criticise.
We have someone who just recently joined our team at work - he disappears off to the "prayer room" several times during the working day (about 20 minutes each time) - I didn't even know we had a payer room!! He never stated this was part of his daily ritual, when he came for the interview, plus from our perspective its another excuse for him to do nothing and slope out of the office.
They will happily isolate their daughters for getting into a relationship with someone outside of their "religion", for disrespecting their family (honour), yet the Males in these families will happily go around (in the UK) grooming "white girls"... then get a slap on the hand by the law, as this country is so PC and afraid to appear racist (back where we started).
It's a plague that will only get worse - yet lets all bury our heads and pretend its not happening (from the man on the street, establishments, to the law).
They are here to "enrich" society??? They refuse to contribute or interact with society, building up "communities" in towns and cities. Then we mock EDL !
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The greatest inequality is not between genders, but between classes. But you can't complain about that AND live in a capitalist country. It's like complaining about the heat in Africa.
In THIS country (UK) I think the biggest issue (threat) are the "ethnic minorities".
They are coming here planting their seed, pushing their (third world) religions, then screaming racist when one of us "white" people criticise.
We have someone who just recently joined our team at work - he disappears off to the "prayer room" several times during the working day (about 20 minutes each time) - I didn't even know we had a payer room!! He never stated this was part of his daily ritual, when he came for the interview, plus from our perspective its another excuse for him to do nothing and slope out of the office.
They will happily isolate their daughters for getting into a relationship with someone outside of their "religion", for disrespecting their family (honour), yet the Males in these families will happily go around (in the UK) grooming "white girls"... then get a slap on the hand by the law, as this country is so PC and afraid to appear racist (back where we started).
It's a plague that will only get worse - yet lets all bury our heads and pretend its not happening (from the man on the street, establishments, to the law).
They are here to "enrich" society??? They refuse to contribute or interact with society, building up "communities" in towns and cities. Then we mock EDL !
Unfortunately, I've had the "pleasure" of living in a city that had it's population double in a relatively short period, mostly by refugees. Same nation, religion, but mostly from rural areas, with different mentality. And it wasn't very nice, in spite of relatively small differences.
It also depends a lot on the number (and percentage) of "incomers", as well as how you integrate them into society. A man I know who had worked all his life in Austria had an Austrian coleague comment, dead serious, in a friendly manner, something like: "I can't believe you really are a Serb, you are so nice and hard working!" :rollin
As for complaints, some are OK, some are bullshit. Don't see any problems with grooming "white girls". Isolation for "getting into other religions" is bad IMO, though you could give a questionnarie to your friends:
1. "Do you hate/dislike Muslims"?
2. "Would you mind your daughter marrying a Muslim?"
And see the number of people answering with no, then yes. :)
So being weary of "strangers" is not only a Muslim thing - the more primitive a culture, the more extreme it gets though I think.
For the worker - I'd say that in an 8 hour work day, having several 20 minute brakes can help if the job requires concentration.
This book was eye opening for me, in terms you reap what you sow:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crusades_Through_Arab_Eyes
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The greatest inequality is not between genders, but between classes. But you can't complain about that AND live in a capitalist country. It's like complaining about the heat in Africa.
Don't see any problems with grooming "white girls".
I appreciate that English is probably not your first language but do you not realise what " grooming " means?
It is abhorrent for it to happen to any girl, no matter her skin colour or race.
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I appreciate that English is probably not your first language but do you not realise what " grooming " means?
It is abhorrent for it to happen to any girl, no matter her skin colour or race.
Understood it as courting - so you can disregard my comment on that, thanks for pointing it out.
This dictionary gives two definitions, the latter one is about pedophiles?!?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grooming
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I appreciate that English is probably not your first language but do you not realise what " grooming " means?
It is abhorrent for it to happen to any girl, no matter her skin colour or race.
Understood it as courting - so you can disregard my comment on that, thanks for pointing it out.
This dictionary gives two definitions, the latter one is about pedophiles?!?
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grooming (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grooming)
Thats why I pointed it out, was pretty sure you did not realise what the word means nowadays.
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Thats why I pointed it out, was pretty sure you did not realise what the word means nowadays.
Yup. Reminded myself of Mr Bean in America. :rollin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH0kugMR4BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH0kugMR4BI)
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Its amazing how a word or gesture can mean totally different things in different parts of the world. Used to work with quite a few Americans and one in particular always used to say after a break it was time to get off our " fannies" and get back to work. We had to explain to him in that whilst in America the word might mean your bottom, here in the UK it meant vagina and that he should be careful where he says it and in what company.
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Its amazing how a word or gesture can mean totally different things in different parts of the world. Used to work with quite a few Americans and one in particular always used to say after a break it was time to get off our " fannies" and get back to work. We had to explain to him in that whilst in America the word might mean your bottom, here in the UK it meant vagina and that he should be careful where he says it and in what company.
:lol
There are words in my country that have different meanings in different parts.
Local word for "a guy" ("a man", "a friend" etc) here is "Gary". No one knows why. But some friends came from Belgrade, spent the day here and at the end one of them (a blonde, just to stay on topic :) ) asked: "who's that Gary, everyone seems to know?" :rollin
The other "pearl" that almost got me in trouble, but turned out well was "hump" (as the hunchback of Notre Dame). To hump means to avoid paying for something. To do something for free, or skip queue etc. is to hump in (for a lack of better translation).
So I'm in Belgrade with some friends, there's a reggae band playing, but we're flat broke. A few musicians were chilling in front of the club, along with bouncers. Take my jacket off, put my backpack on the back and put the jacket over it. Approach the bouncers with two friends. They ask for the tickets and I show my hump and ask can we just enter on the hump? The bouncer gets pissed off, gets up from his chair, but the musicians (probably familiar with the term) start laughing their asses off, tell the bouncer to take it easy and let us all come in. It was nice. :)
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Gary, from an very popular old tv show called " Only Fools and Horses".
https://youtu.be/OuV86BFIsHc
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Love it. Almost as good as "I'm undoing the big nut Del".
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My personal favourite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63rcdLeXiU8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63rcdLeXiU8)
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Gary, from an very popular old tv show called " Only Fools and Horses".
https://youtu.be/OuV86BFIsHc (https://youtu.be/OuV86BFIsHc)
That's the pronunciation! Spot on! :rollin
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In THIS country (UK) I think the biggest issue (threat) are the "ethnic minorities".
They are coming here planting their seed, pushing their (third world) religions, then screaming racist when one of us "white" people criticise.
At this point I really don’t think you need to be from an ethnic minority background to be screaming racist EDL supporting fuck pig! :eek
It also depends a lot on the number (and percentage) of "incomers", as well as how you integrate them into society.
Slaninar, what chance has any immigrant to England got of ‘integrating’ when extremist views, such as those held by focced off are widely held, and indeed are not immediately questioned.
Such racist, frankly fascist views surely have no place on this forum.
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1. "Do you hate/dislike Muslims"?
2. "Would you mind your daughter marrying a Muslim?"
And see the number of people answering with no, then yes. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/url])
I don’t have a daughter. But if I did and such a situation occured, well, yes I would be worried about my daughter marrying a practising Muslim. Of course I would. Just as I would be worried about my daughter marrying practising Christian. So I’m not sure what the point of such a question is. Or is it just a loaded question to try and justify a racist stand point?
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1. "Do you hate/dislike Muslims"?
2. "Would you mind your daughter marrying a Muslim?"
And see the number of people answering with no, then yes. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/smile.gif[/url])
I don’t have a daughter. But if I did and such a situation occured, well, yes I would be worried about my daughter marrying a practising Muslim. Of course I would. Just as I would be worried about my daughter marrying practising Christian. So I’m not sure what the point of such a question is. Or is it just a loaded question to try and justify a racist stand point?
The point is that discrimination often comes from prejudice, which people naturally have - even if they are not aware they do. My sister did a sociology test, where the term gypsy was used - and many people who answered the other questions in a "non-racist" pattern "failed" the daughter question. People who claim they have nothing against gypsies. For example.
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It's like all this anti-Semitism that's around Labour at the moment.
Awful.
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Discrimination is a word that often gets used wrongly, we all discriminate most days of our lives.
We discriminate between right and wrong (as we see or understand it)
Discernment or telling the difference between one thing and another is discrimination.
People can discriminate between facial expressions of others, telling the difference between an angry or happy look is discrimination or discernment if you wish.
I don't think I hate anyone in life, how can I hate someone of a different religion? or just because they believe something different than me.
What I can do is hate the actions and choices of others if it damages or impacts on others in a negative way.
How can I hate Muslims when I have not really met many.
I can hate the ideology of a Muslim extremist if it hurts, kills or takes away the freedom of choice or speech.
I recall once being utterly and totally lost in an area of Birmingham called Saltley, it late at night (11-30ish)I was on foot, and have to admit to being more than wary of the area I was in, a very much Muslim area that I had heard stuff about on the TV that reinforced my fears.
I had wandered off the main area of the main busy street and tried to back track only to find myself more and more confused, in the darkness I saw some coloured lights over a back doorway and decided to knock hoping to find a friendly face who could point me back to the busier parts of Saltley.
The door way opened and I was in view of four Asian guys each of them would have made almost two of me (They were big lads) I told one my plight and he came out started his car and switched on his Taxi sign on the roof, told me to sit in the front and he chatted to me as he drove me to 'The Bullring' an area of Birmingham that I was trying to get to, he shook my hand and wished me well, said 'no charge' and drove off.
How can anyone say they hate Muslims, this giant of a man had a kind heart, sure he was different to me but he was a kind human being that took sympathy on my plight and did something about it.
Do I discriminate negatively against Muslims? of course not, but I do discriminate against any extremists that wish to impose their ways on others, what-ever background they are from, whether race, colour, creed, religious belief. It could be in the workplace or in the street.
But as said earlier we all discriminate, but we should not blanket discriminate in a negative way about a section of society or individual that we do not know.
Positive discrimination is good and healthy and wise.
Negative discrimination is bad unhealthy and stupid.
I could have formed an negative impression about my taxi driver Samaritan, If I had it would not have been further from the truth.
We all have opinions, some we hold dear, some not so much, but if those opinion or ideologies impact others in a negative way, then we are extremist our selves.
Here endeth the lesson for today :D .
BMW car divers should all be discriminated against, it is the only exception to the rule :eek
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It's like all this anti-Semitism that's around Labour at the moment.
Awful.
Labour needs to get smarter on 'anti-Semitism', and it needs to get quicker. As what we are seeing is the well-funded and organised pro-Israeli Zionist lobbyists tearing Labour to shreds right now. Also, the UK right wing press are running with this big time, they will jump at any opportunity to smear and discredit Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour left.
‘Anti-Semitism’ is not a major issue in the Labour party.
What is hugely sinister is the lack of outcry from our government, and indeed certain other Western governments, over the deaths of 16 Palestinians at the Gaza Israel border. Of course, we are not far from the point that criticism of Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian protestors will be classed as ‘anti-Semitic’.
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I recall once being utterly and totally lost in an area of Birmingham called Saltley, it late at night (11-30ish)I was on foot, and have to admit to being more than wary of the area I was in, a very much Muslim area that I had heard stuff about on the TV that reinforced my fears.
I had wandered off the main area of the main busy street and tried to back track only to find myself more and more confused, in the darkness I saw some coloured lights over a back doorway and decided to knock hoping to find a friendly face who could point me back to the busier parts of Saltley.
The door way opened and I was in view of four Asian guys each of them would have made almost two of me (They were big lads) I told one my plight and he came out started his car and switched on his Taxi sign on the roof, told me to sit in the front and he chatted to me as he drove me to 'The Bullring' an area of Birmingham that I was trying to get to, he shook my hand and wished me well, said 'no charge' and drove off.
How can anyone say they hate Muslims, this giant of a man had a kind heart, sure he was different to me but he was a kind human being that took sympathy on my plight and did something about it.
How did you know he was a muslim?
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But as said earlier we all discriminate, but we should not blanket discriminate in a negative way about a section of society or individual that we do not know.
Positive discrimination is good and healthy and wise.
Negative discrimination is bad unhealthy and stupid.
Agree, but not completely. Discrimination is an important survival tool. I'll talk from my background and country (know that best and fewer foccers could get offended :) ).
When I wear colours of my football club, and see a group of Red Star (or Partizan) Belgrade supporters, I can expect to get beat up. It's pure prejudice - not all the supporters would bother, want to, nor agree to go into N to one fight, but significant portion of them are.
Same goes for gypsies - at least in my city. You don't want to leave things not very well locked in their neighbourhood. However racist it may sound, in equally poor parts of the city with population of white people, the crime rate is lower.
I've had some experience with Swiss people. First thing that struck me was how "naive" they were - even the obviously intelligent and university educated people. Then I had realized: those people come from a country where no one tries to trick you (at least the standard Serbian tricks, like charging double to foreigners who don't know the prices, selling faulty goods as good, avoiding taxes etc...). Had they stayed here long enough, I'm sure they would have quickly caught on.
Another example is the police. They have to guess what can be expected of a person and how to approach them the first time they see them. Good, experienced cops often judge that very quickly. They are among the most prejudiced people you can find, but the prejudice is (at least with the competent ones) based on lots of experience.
Not sure how much role is played by society, background, how much is down to genes - but there are certain group traits that can be expected - until proven otherwise, at least that's the way I see it. The main problem, IMO, is when one is not aware of their prejudice and can't let go, even when they get to know the concrete person they interact with.
In my country there have been (civil?) wars and lots of hatred in the past few decades. Hungarian minority in my city has been opressed (not as much as Croats and Muslims in other parts of the country, but not nice). I have always been against that (went to lots of anti-government protests - whatever could be done, whatever the risk). On (more than) one occasion I sat at a "Hungarian" cafe with a Hungarian friend. After some chat, a girl had asked for my name. One of the people said out loud "that's a Serbian name!?!" Most were very reluctant to even talk to me afterwards. Works similarly the other way round - once some guys had started hustling a friend for "speaking in Hungarian" - after I had stepped in it was like "oh, they're with you - you're one of ours - no problems" and they left.
Most people like to be treated well. With respect. Most expect that. When encountering rude situations (like from the previous passage) - those are the things they tend to talk about with their friends. No one will bother to mention: "I was treated normally". But the bad stories are told over and over. That deepens hatred and the prejudice. And it's often rooted in true, first hand experience.
It's a difficult thing to be wise about IMO. What is good, what is bad prejudice/discrimination? I was raised to judge people on what they do. Not on what they say, even less based on their colour/religion etc. Still - if I were given a choice: for an hour, in my garage, would you rather leave a gypsy, or a swiss alone - both of them you've never seen/met before, you know nothing else - I'd go with the swiss. As for drinking - bosnians, or scotts. :)
As for the gender discrimination - I don't see that women are discriminated for being women - as if people don't like that fact. What is the case is they often (majority, or at least a large enough percentage of women) tend to put family first. People expect that from a female worker even at the job interview. When/if they get hired, I'm yet to see a hard working woman not being paid more than less hard working man. At least in my city.
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I recall once being utterly and totally lost in an area of Birmingham called Saltley, it late at night (11-30ish)I was on foot, and have to admit to being more than wary of the area I was in, a very much Muslim area that I had heard stuff about on the TV that reinforced my fears.
I had wandered off the main area of the main busy street and tried to back track only to find myself more and more confused, in the darkness I saw some coloured lights over a back doorway and decided to knock hoping to find a friendly face who could point me back to the busier parts of Saltley.
The door way opened and I was in view of four Asian guys each of them would have made almost two of me (They were big lads) I told one my plight and he came out started his car and switched on his Taxi sign on the roof, told me to sit in the front and he chatted to me as he drove me to 'The Bullring' an area of Birmingham that I was trying to get to, he shook my hand and wished me well, said 'no charge' and drove off.
How can anyone say they hate Muslims, this giant of a man had a kind heart, sure he was different to me but he was a kind human being that took sympathy on my plight and did something about it.
How did you know he was a muslim?
Because we chatted about as he drove me to 'The Bullring'.
I explained that I was quite worried about being lost in Saltley as it had quite a bit of bad press, he laughed and said that not all Muslims are extremist and fundamentalists and that a lot of second generation Muslims were very moderate.
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he laughed and said that not all Muslims are extremist and fundamentalists and that a lot of second generation Muslims were very moderate.
What! Presumably he was taking the piss. :lol Or did you just make that up?
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Interesting observations Slaninar.
Same goes for gypsies - at least in my city. You don't want to leave things not very well locked in their neighbourhood. However racist it may sound, in equally poor parts of the city with population of white people, the crime rate is lower.
But then the white people haven’t suffered from the, what is basically state sponsored discrimination, right across eastern Europe, that the Roma have.
Another example is the police. They have to guess what can be expected of a person and how to approach them the first time they see them. Good, experienced cops often judge that very quickly. They are among the most prejudiced people you can find, but the prejudice is (at least with the competent ones) based on lots of experience.
But then in Scotland the only MSP’s (members of the Scottish Parliament) to have been stopped and searched by the police just so happen to be Asian. Something is wrong there, surely?
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he laughed and said that not all Muslims are extremist and fundamentalists and that a lot of second generation Muslims were very moderate.
What! Presumably he was taking the piss. :lol Or did you just make that up?
VNA go fuck yourself.
What the fuck do you know about conversation that I have had with people during my life.
You seem to think you are all knowing about everything, I would appreciate it in future if you just shut the fuck up and not comment on anything that I put into post in here.
You think that the guy was either taking the piss or that I an lying, what the fuck do you know you twat.
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But then the white people haven’t suffered from the, what is basically state sponsored discrimination, right across eastern Europe, that the Roma have.
When dealing with people, you can't undo the past. My country has had sanctions, wars, bombings and economic breakdown recently, but that doesn't change the fact that you're a lot more likely to get mugged now, than 30 years ago. It also doesn't help when buying a 2nd hand car - you can be certain the mileage is rewinded back (all the motorcycles sold here have 30.000 kms - even the 20+ year old ones!).
But then in Scotland the only MSP’s (members of the Scottish Parliament) to have been stopped and searched by the police just so happen to be Asian. Something is wrong there, surely?
My hair is now short, but when I was in early 20s, it was long - and it grew like Bob Marley's - literally, all curves and upwards. On a Montenegrin seaside resort, I was stopped two nights in a row and searched for drugs by the police - along with an also long haired (male) friend. The third time, I had politely asked the policemen why my friend and I seem to be the only ones stopped and searched - two nights in a row. I said we're not doing anything illegal, we're not drunk, what the problem is with us? The policemen politely explained, trying not to be rude: see what you look like? Do you see any other people with such hairs and clothing? Who would you first stop and search for marihuana in this street if you were in my place? We laughed. They said they'll talk with their coleagues not to bother us any more.
Not that there aren't idiots and racists among the police. Just that sometimes prejudice is all you can "work" with, if you understand what I mean.
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VNA go fuck yourself.
What the fuck do you know about conversation that I have had with people during my life.
You seem to think you are all knowing about everything, I would appreciate it in future if you just shut the fuck up and not comment on anything that I put into post in here.
You think that the guy was either taking the piss or that I an lying, what the fuck do you know you twat.
Charming! :lol :lol :lol Before I read your latest post, I did check the date, and thought, shit, it's April the 1st. Fucking tommyyardin's just ripped me big time. But nope, it looks like your friendly cab driver was ripping the shit out of you after all.
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VNA go fuck yourself.
What the fuck do you know about conversation that I have had with people during my life.
You seem to think you are all knowing about everything, I would appreciate it in future if you just shut the fuck up and not comment on anything that I put into post in here.
You think that the guy was either taking the piss or that I an lying, what the fuck do you know you twat.
Charming! :lol :lol :lol Before I read your latest post, I did check the date, and thought, shit, it's April the 1st. Fucking tommyyardin's just ripped me big time. But nope, it looks like your friendly cab driver was ripping the shit out of you after all.
Your last response underlines that fact that you believe nothing anyone says, and think you know every thing about everyone and their motives, which just underlines that you are even a bigger cunt than I at first thought you were. Goes to show that I was wrong.
First you say it was all a lie,then you say he was 'Ripping the shit out of me' how was he ripping the shit out of me? The guy went out of his way to help me with no cost to me at all, but it had a cost to him. I don't understand your thinking.
Anyway VNA hush I have no wish to hear or read anymore rhetoric that pours like vomit out of your mouth.
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My hair is now short, but when I was in early 20s, it was long - and it grew like Bob Marley's - literally, all curves and upwards. On a Montenegrin seaside resort, I was stopped two nights in a row and searched for drugs by the police - along with an also long haired (male) friend.
In 2006 I was in Albania for a week. I had long blonde hair, hadn’t had a haircut in ten years, tied back in a pony tail. The first morning there I got up early. Nobody else I was with was up, so I headed out for a walk, carrying my SLR camera. The hotel was pretty nice, but the busy street outside had no tarmac. But what I found was everybody stared at me, I mean really fucking stared. It was pretty unnerving and I stuffed my camera under my jacket fearing the worst. After just over half an hour I headed back to the hotel. One of the folks I was with explained, that well obviously I looked different (very white – long blonde hair) and that in the Balkans it’s generally not considered rude to stare. He told me just to smile and say hello. Then the scary menacing starring people started smiling and saying hello back.
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My hair is now short, but when I was in early 20s, it was long - and it grew like Bob Marley's - literally, all curves and upwards. On a Montenegrin seaside resort, I was stopped two nights in a row and searched for drugs by the police - along with an also long haired (male) friend.
In 2006 I was in Albania for a week. I had long blonde hair, hadn’t had a haircut in ten years, tied back in a pony tail. The first morning there I got up early. Nobody else I was with was up, so I headed out for a walk, carrying my SLR camera. The hotel was pretty nice, but the busy street outside had no tarmac. But what I found was everybody stared at me, I mean really fucking stared. It was pretty unnerving and I stuffed my camera under my jacket fearing the worst. After just over half an hour I headed back to the hotel. One of the folks I was with explained, that well obviously I looked different (very white – long blonde hair) and that in the Balkans it’s generally not considered rude to stare. He told me just to smile and say hello. Then the scary menacing starring people started smiling and saying hello back.
What a load of crap that person that was with you was just 'Ripping the shit out of you' they were thinking to themselves that is a strange looking cunt with long blond hair, perhaps we should give him a lift and not charge him, that will get him off the road. :finger
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First you say it was all a lie,then you say he was 'Ripping the shit out of me' how was he ripping the shit out of me? The guy went out of his way to help me with no cost to me at all, but it had a cost to him. I don't understand your thinking.
You are over thinking it Tommy. Ripping the shit out of you, pulling your leg, as in humour, maybe a wee bit of mild scarcasm. Suttle humour mocking your prejudice, but it sailed right over the top of your heid.
Talking of marijuana, have a smoke man, chill out.
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Boys boys boys! You both agree that it's wrong to discriminate and make assumptions based on prejudice, and that people are individuals and not 'all the same'. So calm down. Anyway, the cab driver was probably worried about driving you to the Bullring, because last time it was blown up by white terrorists.....
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Anyway, the cab driver was probably worried about driving you to the Bullring, because last time it was blown up by white terrorists.....
Talking of white, I'll bet if he was white Tommy would have insisted on paying his fare :lol :lol
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First you say it was all a lie,then you say he was 'Ripping the shit out of me' how was he ripping the shit out of me? The guy went out of his way to help me with no cost to me at all, but it had a cost to him. I don't understand your thinking.
You are over thinking it Tommy. Ripping the shit out of you, pulling your leg, as in humour, maybe a wee bit of mild scarcasm. Suttle humour mocking your prejudice, but it sailed right over the top of your heid.
Talking of marijuana, have a smoke man, chill out.
How many reverse gears do you have? You shoot your mouth off and then back away saying you were only having a bit of fun, mild sarcasm. You are a predudice twat making comments about paying fares if he was white.
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Some people are like ducks that fart underwater, lots of noise, lots of hot air and fuck all substance.
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How many reverse gears do you have? You shoot your mouth off and then back away saying you were only having a bit of fun, mild sarcasm.
No Tommy. Not me, the cab driver. The fucking cab driver, he ripped the pish out of you, pulled your leg. You still don't get it. Foc me.
he laughed and said that not all Muslims are extremist and fundamentalists and that a lot of second generation Muslims were very moderate.
Or maybe you did make that up. I know I don't meet people and say, hey you look asian, are you a muslim? When I ask a person for help in the street, or jump in a cab, I don't give a shit what colour people's skin is, whether they are religious or not, what religion if any they follow etc etc.
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It's like all this anti-Semitism that's around Labour at the moment.
Anti-Semitism is deplorable, but it doesn't govern UK politics, unlike the Nationalism, Racism, Islamophobia and Xenophobia which are poisoning this country at the moment and which the right wing (including that of the Labour party) are ignoring for another chance to bash Jeremy Corbyn in the run up to the local elections.
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How many reverse gears do you have? You shoot your mouth off and then back away saying you were only having a bit of fun, mild sarcasm.
No Tommy. Not me, the cab driver. The fucking cab driver, he ripped the pish out of you, pulled your leg. You still don't get it. Foc me.
he laughed and said that not all Muslims are extremist and fundamentalists and that a lot of second generation Muslims were very moderate.
Or maybe you did make that up. I know I don't meet people and say, hey you look asian, are you a muslim? When I ask a person for help in the street, or jump in a cab, I don't give a shit what colour people's skin is, whether they are religious or not, what religion if any they follow etc etc.
When was your learning disability first diagnosed ?
I would suggest that you go back and start reading what I said all over again, because what you are saying happened (and you were not even there) and my account do not resemble each other in any way, shape or form.
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Anti-Semitism is deplorable, but it doesn't govern UK politics, unlike the Nationalism, Racism, Islamophobia and Xenophobia which are poisoning this country at the moment
I don't recognize that assessment of this country and it's politics.
I think we're very civilised, welcoming and tolerant as a nation in general.
A lot of people put a lot of effort into getting here from other countries so we can't be all that bad can we?.
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A lot of people put a lot of effort into getting here from other countries so we can't be all that bad can we?.
Oh and I wonder why that is 🤔 I wonder what single thing makes this country a better place to come and live over Greece, France, Germany, Belgium etc etc....... certainly ain't the weather is it
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I think you will find there are far more recent refugees in Germany than the UK
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I think you will find there are far more recent refugees in Germany than the UK
And Europes refugee issue is nothing compared some middle eastern countries refugee issues.
Lebannon;
population - 6 million.
No. of Syrian refugees in Lebannon - 1.1 million
No. of Palestian refugees in Lebannon - 350,000
Of course we, along with the US and others, back the Islamic fundamentalist groups trying to overthrow Assad.
Putin's Russia backs Assad. Anybody in the way gets killed.
Total deaths in Syrian war estimated at over 500,000
6 million internally displaced.
5 million externally displaced.
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Of course we, along with the US and others, back the Islamic fundamentalist groups trying to overthrow Assad.
Putin's Russia backs Assad. Anybody in the way gets killed.
Total deaths in Syrian war estimated at over 500,000
6 million internally displaced.
5 million externally displaced.
So come on then -everything is all our fault for voting for our government. So please can you tell me who I should vote for next time. What is your answer to the worlds problems the WE have created by constantly voting for the wrong government. And if you say "we get the government we deserve" I swear I am going to throw my focing computer out the window
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The people have the government they deserve.
The people will get the government they deserve. :lol
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The people have the government they deserve.
The people will get the government they deserve. :lol
I am replying on my phone because my computer is in next doors garden
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Go on, throw the phone after it. Just do it.
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Go on, throw the phone after it. Just do it.
I still need it for when you stop distracting and actually furnish me with an answer to my question.
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I don't have the answer. Now throw the phone.
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So come on then -everything is all our fault for voting for our government. So please can you tell me who I should vote for next time. What is your answer to the worlds problems the WE have created by constantly voting for the wrong government. And if you say "we get the government we deserve" I swear I am going to throw my focing computer out the window.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, our support of Israel. Our allies, the IS supporting and funding Saudi’s. Our arms trade – we’ll sell to pretty much anybody.
The UK in so many ways is a pretty shitty country. Our government rightly condemns terrorism, but fails to acknowledge it’s own export of terrorism.
And don’t start me on Brexit. I know why people voted to leave the EU, it’s because they feel cheated, and they have been cheated, cheated by the last 30 years neo-liberal politics. But that’s not the fault of the EU – it’s our collective fault. (BREXIT - did I just say BREXIT :rolleyes )
Taxation and austerity. Our failure, or our governments failure, to collect corporation taxes, and now talk of further rising personal taxation to save our NHS. This is a rich country, but the devide between rich and poor continues to grow and grow and grow.
How to change things? Well don’t wait for the next vote.
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I am replying on my phone because my computer is in next doors garden [/quote]
That's only fair if you've been using their Broadband :D
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So come on then -everything is all our fault for voting for our government. So please can you tell me who I should vote for next time. What is your answer to the worlds problems the WE have created by constantly voting for the wrong government. And if you say "we get the government we deserve" I swear I am going to throw my focing computer out the window.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, our support of Israel. Our allies, the IS supporting and funding Saudi’s. Our arms trade – we’ll sell to pretty much anybody.
The UK in so many ways is a pretty shitty country. Our government rightly condemns terrorism, but fails to acknowledge it’s own export of terrorism.
And don’t start me on Brexit. I know why people voted to leave the EU, it’s because they feel cheated, and they have been cheated, cheated by the last 30 years neo-liberal politics. But that’s not the fault of the EU – it’s our collective fault. (BREXIT - did I just say BREXIT :rolleyes )
Taxation and austerity. Our failure, or our governments failure, to collect corporation taxes, and now talk of further rising personal taxation to save our NHS. This is a rich country, but the devide between rich and poor continues to grow and grow and grow.
How to change things? Well don’t wait for the next vote.
Unless you have a proper answer or a solution then your posts are all just virtue signalling.
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Having been away for a couple of days, I am locking this thread now. It started off about gender discrimination and has gone way off tangent to an area where I think we need to be careful what we say.