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Title: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 20 September 2014, 01:33:59 pm

Or.. help sawly needed :groan

After a rough few years, my Mum has been streamlining her house and has found that she has several saws. She'd like to have some of them handy and give the rest to charity shops, however neither I nor her know much about them.

The help we need is to pick out say one of each type to keep and to understand what each one of for, how it can be used.

I took these pictures; I've no idea if the angles or the ruler are helpful so if other views would be more helpful just say.

Comments on even one or two would be most helpful, thank you.

Saw A
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142312_zps5b289c5a.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142312_zps5b289c5a.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142337_zpsb661da87.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142337_zpsb661da87.jpg.html)

Saw B
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142436_zps9a0f13d6.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142436_zps9a0f13d6.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142442_zps947b1df7.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142442_zps947b1df7.jpg.html)

Saw C
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142611_zps841cdfc2.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142611_zps841cdfc2.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142621_zpse6b3a143.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142621_zpse6b3a143.jpg.html)

Saw D
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142653_zpsed5bd02b.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142653_zpsed5bd02b.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142701_zps7a29eff4.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142701_zps7a29eff4.jpg.html)

Saw E
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142746_zpscba11d5f.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142746_zpscba11d5f.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142757_zps106c8e47.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142757_zps106c8e47.jpg.html)

Saw F
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_142949_zpsb75d15fe.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_142949_zpsb75d15fe.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143031_zps92056073.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143031_zps92056073.jpg.html)

Saw G
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143127_zpse73c6f97.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143127_zpse73c6f97.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143136_zps235ae641.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143136_zps235ae641.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143153_zpsfdab44b8.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143153_zpsfdab44b8.jpg.html)

Saw H
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143218_zpsf324695e.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143218_zpsf324695e.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143236_zps6b641cce.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143236_zps6b641cce.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143244_zps796d9b5b.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143244_zps796d9b5b.jpg.html)

Saw J
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143322_zps5c7dd9fe.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143322_zps5c7dd9fe.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143340_zpsdddd20f2.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143340_zpsdddd20f2.jpg.html)

Saw K
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143420_zps843a2d35.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143420_zps843a2d35.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143433_zps3c86da9d.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143433_zps3c86da9d.jpg.html)

Saw L
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143515_zpsd5d5d7e7.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143515_zpsd5d5d7e7.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143527_zpsaf406a94.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143527_zpsaf406a94.jpg.html)

Saw M
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143733_zps11413957.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143733_zps11413957.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143750_zps10971c5b.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143750_zps10971c5b.jpg.html)

Saw N
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143822_zpsbf3f4490.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143822_zpsbf3f4490.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143843_zpsc11fe50c.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143843_zpsc11fe50c.jpg.html)

Saw O
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_143918_zpsc8df7b94.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_143918_zpsc8df7b94.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_144001_zpsa736589a.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_144001_zpsa736589a.jpg.html)

Saw P
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_144039_zpsc029d305.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_144039_zpsc029d305.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_144045_zps8fd0b4dc.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_144045_zps8fd0b4dc.jpg.html)

Saw Q
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_144108_zps4c4c75c9.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_144108_zps4c4c75c9.jpg.html)

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee230/Farjo/Saws/20140918_144221_zpsf34b91b9.jpg) (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/Farjo/media/Saws/20140918_144221_zpsf34b91b9.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: mickvp on 20 September 2014, 02:01:55 pm

B, and D are hacksaws, and are for sawing metal.

P is a junior hacksaw. For the same purpose but smaller for improved access depending on the job.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: mickvp on 20 September 2014, 02:03:49 pm

F and M are both wood saws, and course blades for live wood. F is more for pruning branches and M is more for cutting thicker stuff. Can't remember their correct names (I think F may be a pruning saw though)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 20 September 2014, 02:06:39 pm

Cheers Mick :thumbup


So a junior hacksaw is not for young people, but for smaller jobs?

Any tip on how to choose between saws B and D? She just wants to keep one of each type.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: mickvp on 20 September 2014, 02:09:22 pm

I prefer the D type personally as it has the thumb notch at the front for your other hand, but that's a personal thing, either one is fine, but both look to be missing some teeth so a new blade on either one wouldn't go amiss.

I'm not sure if junior hacksaws were originally designed for wee boys, but that's what mines gets used for - its one of those things you might never need, but invaluable when you do :)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Woodzey80 on 20 September 2014, 02:18:25 pm

C is a tenon saw & Q is a dovetail saw, both quite self explanitory ie the tenon saw is for motice & tenon joints. The dovetail saw is for intracate dovetail joints. Both saws would suit a bench joiner & not a great deal of use for the average bloke !!
Im in the building trade & only ever used these saws way back in college.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: YamFazFan on 20 September 2014, 02:28:15 pm

A Junior hacksaw is invaluable for shortening small screws & bolts.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 20 September 2014, 02:30:35 pm

Cheers YFF and thanks again Mick. Just because I really do know nothing about this... when you say "the D type" you mean the type that Saw D is, not saws of a type named 'D' (if you see what I mean)?

OK we'll keep the junior saw and Mum can choose between B and D :)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 20 September 2014, 02:32:22 pm

Quote from: Woodzey80 on 20 September 2014, 02:18:25 pm

C is a tenon saw & Q is a dovetail saw, both quite self explanitory ie the tenon saw is for motice & tenon joints. The dovetail saw is for intracate dovetail joints. Both saws would suit a bench joiner & not a great deal of use for the average bloke !!
Im in the building trade & only ever used these saws way back in college.

Great, that's really helpful, looks like we won't be keeping those. Saw Q looks like it could have been used by an 1800's surgeon :eek

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: YamFazFan on 20 September 2014, 02:45:48 pm

I would hang onto the timber saw 'A'.It looks to be in pretty good nick and the teeth look pretty sharp.Good make as well.The tree pruning saws aside,this would probably be the most usefull/used of the wood cutting saws.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: fazersharp on 20 September 2014, 03:35:48 pm

saw f is known as a pull saw - see the teeth are pointing backwards so it cuts when you pull towards you, for cutting small branches.
I would keep saw "d" over the other hacksaw as it is a newer square frame and has better clearance from blade to frame then the older rounded one.
This and the junior one I would keep but get new blades
saw M is a bow saw for cutting logs
Saw A is general carpentry saw and in good nick.
C is a tennon saw also useful for thin careful cuts

These are the only ones I would keep, but having said that the others could be useful for a once time job that will knacker the blade like cutting breeze blocks or anything that isn't wood that will blunt the blade.
With saw a I used to hang onto them for too long when it saw blunt, but for £10 you can get two and the difference between a used one and a new sharp one is amazing and for £5 is a no brainer.   

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: YamFazFan on 20 September 2014, 04:36:18 pm

Like fazersharp says,saws are so cheap now,that most carpenters don't bother sharpening them anymore,they just get chucked away when blunt.Years ago they were relatively more expensive and the time taken to sharpen them was economically more viable.I allways spray the tree saws that are stored in the shed with a quick coat of silicone spray before putting away.it stops the rust and is non oily.seems to be getting expensive stuff for a can now tho :(.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: darrsi on 20 September 2014, 05:04:56 pm

I reckon saw B would work much more efficiently with the blades teeth on the outside, rather than on the inside.  :lol

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: BIG MAC on 20 September 2014, 06:16:18 pm

What's the joke?

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: slimwilly on 20 September 2014, 06:25:05 pm

Saw B has the blade fitted upside down, the smooth side down, so it will just rub :lol

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: esetest on 20 September 2014, 06:39:09 pm

A,J,K,L for general carpentry and DIY   . Band D hacksaws for cutting metal and plastics .C is a tenon saw for more precise cutting of wood .
F is a pruning saw . P is a junior hacksaw for small places and cutting bolts . Q used by joiners my grandfather had one .

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: locksmith on 20 September 2014, 07:11:57 pm

Any of the Hard Point timber saws that have lost their sharpness are only good for the bin, you can't sharpen them.
Most of those hacksaw blades are shagged as well!

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 20 September 2014, 09:14:06 pm

Thanks all, very helpful.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: goldfazer on 20 September 2014, 09:56:29 pm

I'd say if you don't know the difference between types of saw, give 'em all away and get a pro in :)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 20 September 2014, 10:13:22 pm

 :lol Nice lateral thinking. My Mum does have some experience of woodworking and it's something that she would like to take up again. It's only me wot noes nuffin.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: darrsi on 21 September 2014, 02:20:36 am

Quote from: BIG MAC on 20 September 2014, 06:16:18 pm

What's the joke?

Sorry if you didn't get it, i'm more clued up on sees rather than saws.  ;)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: slimwilly on 21 September 2014, 10:36:47 pm

This entire post must be a hoaxyou gotta he joking maa

Scrap  the bloody lot.gogta be worth about 3'90 quidd.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 21 September 2014, 11:32:13 pm

As I said in the first post, I know nothing about saws, so why would you think I'd know what each one is worth? Your opinion is that they are worth little - thank you for that, but why you should choose to express that opinion in such a way to offend my Mother's possessions is beyond me.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 22 September 2014, 09:23:53 am

No real monetary value to any of them really. They are only valuable to the owner as they could use them.

As others have mentioned, if any of the saws are blunt, bin them and see what you have left.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Robbie8666 on 22 September 2014, 07:53:51 pm

wow, who would've thought looking at old saws could be so emotional!!!! looking at them made me think of family saw's i'll inherit when dad (77) dies...eventually! not worth money but were from his grand father off the old farm dad grew up on!!
Thank you

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: bigralphie on 23 September 2014, 12:29:46 am

Saw F is a counter steer saw ,you pull it back to go forward  ;)

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: richfzs on 23 September 2014, 07:34:21 am

:lol

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: Farjo on 23 September 2014, 09:48:57 am

:rollin

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: DILLIGAFF on 25 September 2014, 11:55:58 am

Whichever you give away you'll be a saw loser.

Title: Re: Help needed with saws
Post by: YamFazFan on 25 September 2014, 05:58:59 pm

Undeniably....but best try not to fret about it.