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General => General => Topic started by: lew600fazer on 24 October 2014, 08:04:32 am
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Nearly choked on my tea this morning. I was listening to the news and I hear Brussels has instructed the UK to pay in an extra £1.7 billion because the UK economy is performing better than expected. In the same breath the news reader said that Germany & France will receive a rebate.
That must be music to ears of Nigel Farrage & UKIP.
Now if I was the PM I would certainly be telling Brussels politely to fuck off, the £1.7 Billion will be spent here on filling in POT HOLES and other infrastructure repairs etc!
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Ludicrous, ain't it. You've done well, so here's the fine for that!
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I though yesterday's news was saying we were having to borrow tons of money from overseas. Hardly doing well.
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Maybe the government knew this was coming and we need to borrow the money to pay
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Its like the EU doesn't want the Uk to stay. Nigel has just been handed the Rochester and Strood by-election on a plate (or a tray with his beer)
Europe hates us-- France just do what the hell they like and get away with it.
Europe has never forgiven us for not joining the euro, labour knew dam well that the uk public did not want this and we were right not to join it, the uk public were right, the politicians should trust the uk public and give us our say.
We dont need them and they dont want us - only our money
I don't want Nigel to be pm almost as much as I don't want Borris to be pm, millipede was never going to be pm as he was always going to be a caretaker leader while his brother keeps his head down while labour looses another general election he will then emerge as the new leader.
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I reckon we should ask President Putin if he fancies the job, he is ideal. If it does not suit him he just tells the rest of the world to fuck off. Something we should have told the French and the Yanks to do years ago.
Love the Germans me, been knocked down twice in a century and still bounce back, this time conquering Europe without a shot being fired. They must be due a trip down the main drag in Paris again, this time we give em a hand. :finger
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Love the Germans me, been knocked down twice in a century and still bounce back, this time conquering Europe without a shot being fired. They must be due a trip down the main drag in Paris again, this time we give em a hand. :finger
OOOOOOO, bit much! I love the Gerry's too, but not sure if I would join in with mass genocide. My Grandfather's and Great Grandfather certainly did all they could to stop it. I have visited Germany on at least 10 occasions. But remember, they are doing well because they lost the war. This is not uncommon. Japan did ok from it too. Funnily enough, motorcycles played a big part in it for both of them. This is a motorcycle forum, right?
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Love the Germans me, been knocked down twice in a century and still bounce back, this time conquering Europe without a shot being fired. They must be due a trip down the main drag in Paris again, this time we give em a hand. :finger
OOOOOOO, bit much! I love the Gerry's too, but not sure if I would join in with mass genocide. My Grandfather's and Great Grandfather certainly did all they could to stop it. I have visited Germany on at least 10 occasions. But remember, they are doing well because they lost the war. This is not uncommon. Japan did ok from it too. Funnily enough, motorcycles played a big part in it for both of them. This is a motorcycle forum, right?
My post concerning the germans was in jest, but let's face it the British did introduce the Concentration camps , germans and others learn't that from us. Read the history books Britain loved the Irish old ER1 ,Ollie Cromwell (genocide). Boer War south Africa, so we are not squeaky clean ourselves. Lets face it the Empire was not built by being Mr Nice guy. Having said that a lot of the old colonies would be better off had they stayed.
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Having said that a lot of the old colonies would be better off had they stayed.
Cough cough, half of Africa today, cough cough. Grandad was Govenor of the Northern Province of the Sudan during WWII, look at what a miserable state that country's in today! When many family members were white farmers in Zimbabwe (or Rhodesia as it was then), that country was known as "the breadbasket of Africa", it was producing so much food. Now look at it.
Watch the film "Beyond the Gates" (aka "Shooting Dogs"). Then ask yourselves whether in the face of such behaviour, colonial rule was that brutal after all....
But back to the OP....
What doesn't help is that the Brits are idiots. We are fucking morons, and we can't deny it. We follow every bit of legislation blindly and without complaint, like a three-legged blind sheep on a bit of string. The French are much more pragmatic: if they don't like the legislation, they tell the EU to fuck off, take the EU grants, and then carry on doing their own thing, happy as Larry. A healthy disregard for authority is sadly lacking today...
In terms of elections:
- Cameron has completely lost face, the odds of the Conservatives getting back in power wouldn't even be considered by a self-respecting bookie.
- The LibDems - or rather Clegg - have completely fucked up any chance at regaining power for the next 50 years.
- Milliband will destroy the country if he gets in, his sums are up the spout. Think Germany during the Jazz age.
So UKIP have got to pull their socks up, because if not we'll have Labour. And between Farage and Milliband, I personally stick my flag firmly on UKIP's side, even if only for the economic common sense.
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Having said that a lot of the old colonies would be better off had they stayed.
What doesn't help is that the Brits are idiots. We are fucking morons, and we can't deny it. We follow every bit of legislation blindly and without complaint, like a three-legged blind sheep on a bit of string. The French are much more pragmatic: if they don't like the legislation, they tell the EU to fuck off, take the EU grants, and then carry on doing their own thing, happy as Larry. A healthy disregard for authority is sadly lacking today...
Kind flying a flag for the immigrants and benefit cheats then ;)
Seems a lost opportunity with Scotland NO vote. ' Mr Salmond you love and want to remain in Europe so much, and keep the pound, here's a £1.7billion EU bill to start you off'. :evil [size=78%] [/size]
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The answer is simple, just do not pay and tell them to foc off.
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The answer is simple, just do not pay and tell them to foc off.
Yep --what they going do - throw us out which would save us bothering to organise a referendum which would see us leave.
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we don't need them ????? who the bloody hell are you going to export to :lol
and you cant have it both ways we reduced our payment when GDP was below expected ;)
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we don't need them ????? who the bloody hell are you going to export to :lol
We are not part of China or Russia yet we export to them with no problem, just cause we will not be part of the Europe experiment doesn't mean we cannot trade--- they need us more than we need them
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China and Russia is a tiny bit of our export %
we are in the EU so we can trade across boarders without undue intervention
EU rules are a pain (I know I have to enforce them) but without adhering to them we cant sell to our largest market on a level playing field
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Company I work for exports nothing to Europe,so I`m alright jack :D .
I would love to know how they arrived at £1.7 billion, why are these figures always so many billions? Why not £1.67543456 billion?
The £1.7 billion is just pure bollocks, Cameron will get a reduction to £1.2 billion, I have actually worked that out on the back of a fag packet just like a real eurocrat would have, and then tell everyone he has shown the EU what he is made of.
And you can substitute any name in place of Cameron from any political party and the exact same scenario will be played out.
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I personally stick my flag firmly on UKIP's side, even if only for the economic common sense.
If you think UKIP have any economic common sense then you *really* need to take another look at their policies! (Well, whatever their policies are, if Nige hasn't decided he doesn't like them and has changed them for some others...)
They're just the Tories Mark II, but even more Right Wing:
Would UKIP's policies on immigration, tax and education work? (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/would-ukips-policies-on-immigration-tax-and-education-work-9805061.html)
The Conservatives’ income tax cuts would give three times as much to those in the top 10 per cent as those in the middle, while lower income groups would hardly gain anything. Ukip’s would be similar, only more so. As for inheritance tax, it is only paid on 1 in 20 estates. People who live in Clacton or Heywood or places like it would gain little or nothing from its abolition, just as they have little or nothing to fear from the “mansion tax”. And where would the money from this come from? Ultimately, much would have to come from the disability benefits and state pensions on which many of the residents of Clacton rely.
As for education, they want to bring back selection and "the net effect of grammar schools is to disadvantage poor children and help the rich"
I have no particular love for the Greens, but here's some good arguments for Why 73% of UKIP supporters should actually vote Green (http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/73-ukip-voters-green-party.html)
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Facts? Can someone explain these figures to me!!!!!!!!!!!!
2013 EU Revenue from UK = 17,068 million Euro (17.078 Billion)
2013 EU Expenditure to UK = 6,308 million Euro (6.309 Billion)
Difference = 10,760 million Euro (10.76 Billion)
Source:
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm (http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm)
the UK rebate: the UK is reimbursed by 66 % of the difference between its contribution and what it receives back from the budget. The cost of the UK rebate is divided among EU Member States in proportion to the share they contribute to the EU's GNI. However, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Sweden, who considered their relative contributions to the budget to be too high, pay only 25 % of their normal financing share of the UK correction.
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/mff/resources/index_en.cfm (http://ec.europa.eu/budget/mff/resources/index_en.cfm)
UK Rebate 2013? (based on 66% of 10.76 Billion) = 7.10 Billion?
Nett to EU from UK = (10.76 Billion - 7.10 Billion) = 3.66 Billion?
You can use the available data to work out how other countries nett contributions (or otherwise) compare to the UK.
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Yup, this one is a bit of a stoater. EU has to be funded, we agreed to the rules and provided the data for the calculations. But it seems very odd to demand a billion or two and you've got just a few weeks to pay up.
And the EU. Well countries like France, Spain, Germany and others adore us. Between the EU and the USA, now China and India are getting in on the act too, well we've sold off the bulk of our utilities and public services to them. Absolutely bonkers. We are the problem not the EU. We are run by an establishment that are lining their pockets any old how at our expense and future.
Cough cough, half of Africa today, cough cough. Grandad was Govenor of the Northern Province of the Sudan during WWII, look at what a miserable state that country's in today! When many family members were white farmers in Zimbabwe (or Rhodesia as it was then), that country was known as "the breadbasket of Africa", it was producing so much food. Now look at it.
Oh come on. Post dodgy empire days, between us the US, USSR (Russia now) we've been fighting over Africa for control and influence for decades. And we do like to support and get corrupt dictators or corruptable governments in control so we can do stuff like sell them expensive weapons systems that they don't need or have any real use for whilst their economies do down the plug hole and their people starve. It's a handy place too, to dump our EU farming excess for a bit o cash, and who cares if it destroys their agriculture industry. I could go on..... Of course it's easier to roll out the usual racist crap, rather than face up to the facts.
Yup EU is the biggest single market in the world, it's on our door step, we've got to be part if it and make it work.
Meanwhile what are you lot gonna vote for come May - the general election. The Good Old Tories, The New Tories, The Third Rate Tories or Nigel make it up as he goes along Farage and his Ultra Tories.
UKIP would do me fine. That 45% who voted YES in Scotland I don't think are gonna go away or shut up, and if UKIP sweep to power (well get a good result), Scottish Independence will come quick.
I mean Tory Tory Tory Tory, there's nothing for ordinary people to vote for.
It's a real shame but I see no future for the UK as it is.
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I can explain it to you all, it's a rip-off!!!! I came to your and now my country just over ten years ago, but the idiots from Brussels are taking a piss. So angry to see all of this happening and the same back home in Czech Republic. If you not doing well we will punish you, but if you are we will punish you even more! Crazy!!!!!!
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Eurostat arrived at the €2.1bn figure on the basis of new methods of calculating member states’ GNI since 1995, taking account of previously unreported or under-reported black economy elements, such as drug dealing and consumption or the sex industry.
:o Sorry guys I'll try to cut down a bit :o
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we don't need them ????? who the bloody hell are you going to export to :lol
and you cant have it both ways we reduced our payment when GDP was below expected ;)
It's easy, if they stop buying the stuff we used to sell, the UK can stop buying their stuff. How long before Mercedes Benz and BMW kick off, not to mention VAG. All those Italian washing machines. The list goes on. We import more than we export.
Mickey
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Just making two points:
1. This recalculation is due to the UK's improving economy (compared to the previous forecast). Yes we are doing better than many other EU countries. I've been to Spain and Italy recently! The UK is not the only one having to pay more - the Dutch and others are as well.
2. This government had agreed on this method of recalculation, and knew this was coming. So there is no point is Dave, George and their chums bleating about it now. George likes crowing about how well we are now doing (under this government). This is the price you pay.
O and other point, be careful what you wish for . Have you seen UKIP's other policies !
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we don't need them ????? who the bloody hell are you going to export to :lol
and you cant have it both ways we reduced our payment when GDP was below expected ;)
It's easy, if they stop buying the stuff we used to sell, the UK can stop buying their stuff. How long before Mercedes Benz and BMW kick off, not to mention VAG. All those Italian washing machines. The list goes on. We import more than we export.
Mickey
So what happens when we stop buying their electricity?
we'll have to renationalise some rail companies, and the list will go on of stuff that the Tories sold off.
would make for a very interesting few years :lol
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Listening to Cameron on the news tonight he never actually said he disagreed with the amount.
What his main bitch was that we get the bill today and Brussels are demanding payment in two weeks. If the french cut back on their socail welfare same as the Brits are having soak up they might have a few more €€€€€ in there budget.
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Why do the euro - files keep saying that we will not be able to trade, we trade with others all over the world no problem.
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Trade agreements have to be negotiated.
simple things like not holding goods up in customs. because they have to be checked that they comply with a nations regs on safety, agreements that no surcharges will be imposed on luxury goods and so on.
Since we have been in the EU most, if not all all of our international trading has been through EU negotiated agreements, if we leave we will have to re negotiate those agreement on a country by country basis.
So we trade with China,
China negotiated a deal to trade with the whole of the EU not a few rocks off it's coast.
Their terms for trade may not be so favourable to us as a small group of rocks, has they were for the whole of Europe
read this on the TTIP agreement being negotiated between the US and the EU at the moment.
You'll get the idea
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html)
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Trade agreements have to be negotiated.
simple things like not holding goods up in customs. because they have to be checked that they comply with a nations regs on safety, agreements that no surcharges will be imposed on luxury goods and so on.
Since we have been in the EU most, if not all all of our international trading has been through EU negotiated agreements, if we leave we will have to re negotiate those agreement on a country by country basis.
So we trade with China,
China negotiated a deal to trade with the whole of the EU not a few rocks off it's coast.
Their terms for trade may not be so favourable to us as a small group of rocks, has they were for the whole of Europe
read this on the TTIP agreement being negotiated between the US and the EU at the moment.
You'll get the idea
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html[/url])
So we stop buying Chinese stuff, we buy so much more than we export. Would you care if we didn't sell Chinese stuff in the UK. Most of it is shite and made by kids anyway.
Mickey
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So that's China the worlds soon to be largest consumer market in the world sorted :thumbup
Now just got the rest of the worlds nations to sort out then :deal
Don't need all these jobs in the Midlands making parts for Landrover plant in China anyway.
Sure it's Indian owners can get them made somewhere else.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-20/cheaper-made-in-china-land-rovers-in-sight-with-new-plant.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-20/cheaper-made-in-china-land-rovers-in-sight-with-new-plant.html)
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Trade agreements have to be negotiated.
if we leave we will have to re negotiate those agreement on a country by country basis.
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Oh ok I see --------------do that then
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China does not negotiate trade agreements,it dictates.
The west is giving so much technolgy to China it is unbelievable. I spent 18 months in Shanghai over seeing the construction of a class of LNG Gas carriers(ships). Nearly all the machinery was Japanese, French, British , German and South Korean.
Five ships were to be built, the build quality was that bad the first ship was 14 months late in entering service. The last ship was two years late. One of the reasons was that if a part failed on a ship they would rob the spare of the ship under construction. Why?? the Chinese were very slow at paying for goods received so the supplying companies, Kawasaki, Cryostar Weirs Pumps etc would only supply if items were paid for before dispatch.
They decided to build a sixth ship using all manufactured chinese machinery, parts etc! Very admirable, thing was everything was a direct copy of what they had been buying in. How can you trade with a country like that.
Yes they do buy stuff from us food etc¬ you can see it in supermarkets. The problem is they price these goods as luxury items, so very expensive. Would you pay nearly £15.00 for a packet of McVites biscuits.
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if a part failed on a ship they would rob the spare of the ship under construction.
I was working building Ptarmigan Units for a Plessey sub contractor years ago.
The completed units were left on site waiting to be transferred for fitting on to vehicles.
We were always short of press shop parts, so we used to take the parts from already completed Units that the Plessey inspectors had checked and sealed.
Managers found a way around the seals.
So that we could take the parts to complete the next batch for inspection.
Not sure if it was a late delivery penalty or payment thing.
But some plates must have been in about 3 or 4 units before they were left in place :lol
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Back to motorcycles, Not to sure of my facts here but the resurgence of the Harley Davidson brand was purely and simply build quality.
I believe they are made in Korea, but assemble in the States so they can be advertised as built in the USA, I could be full of crap mind. I do know that Triumph have a bit engine plant out in Thialand? Korea and then shipped to the UK. I believe BMW bikes do something similar.
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Lot of companies doing stuff like that.
All Aston Martin Engines and drive line are build by Ford in one of their big engine plants in Germany, and most other parts are generic parts that you can find in any number of cars.
No such thing as a totally British or whatever country product any more.
Was keen on Harleys in my Youth, if my memory serves me right, Willie G brought what was left after AMF did all the bad building in the seventies and started the whole Super Guide buy the lifestyle marketing thing and kinda sorted some of the quality issues
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I deal with many China production factories on a daily basis (well the first 2 hours of my day :D )
Some are shocking and need constant checking to ensure quality others are as good as any european facility
The problem is there is no consistency as the factories often go off on tangents, the asian mindset is so different from our logical one
EU or BS directives help to nail down expectations and give absolutes
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O and other point, be careful what you wish for . Have you seen UKIP's other policies !
I thought I had, but then Nigel changed his mind (again...)
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So we stop buying Chinese stuff, we buy so much more than we export. Would you care if we didn't sell Chinese stuff in the UK. Most of it is shite and made by kids anyway.
Mickey
Perhaps something Britain should think about doing as a way to rid the streets of idiots.. Plus it saves paying in to children in need
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An old one but true.
Irish Wanking Bankers - An Irishman Abroad. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koY6kXhQDQo#)
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Just making two points:
1. This recalculation is due to the UK's improving economy (compared to the previous forecast). Yes we are doing better than many other EU countries. I've been to Spain and Italy recently! The UK is not the only one having to pay more - the Dutch and others are as well.
2. This government had agreed on this method of recalculation, and knew this was coming. So there is no point is Dave, George and their chums bleating about it now. George likes crowing about how well we are now doing (under this government). This is the price you pay.
O and other point, be careful what you wish for . Have you seen UKIP's other policies !
I haven't read all the posts yet but this one rings true. Its just a bit of a shock that the money has to be paid over so soon. As well as the Dutch, Italy, Greece and Cyprus have to pay extra.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29751124 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29751124)
What we need to do is cut a lot of the costs required to run the EU and stop the daft stuff like all cucumbers must be a certain shape nonsense.