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darrsi · « **Reply #1951 on:** 31 January 2019, 05:56:04 am »

Quote from: mtread on 30 January 2019, 10:16:32 am

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That comment right there....So a majority vote suits you now

Yep, if you admit 52% is 'hardly' a majority

I've never known a 52% minority before?
And if you happened to be doing an Italian Job and end up in a coach hanging over the side of a cliff, i think that extra 4% would suddenly really count.

mtread · « **Reply #1952 on:** 31 January 2019, 10:16:50 am »

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I've never known a 52% minority before?

Indeed. Like the majority of MPs who voted out No Deal, which needs to be respected

ogri48 · « **Reply #1953 on:** 31 January 2019, 04:21:25 pm »

im afraid I have no respect for any MPs whatsoever, but then again they very obviously feel exactly the same about me to be fair..

fazersharp · « **Reply #1954 on:** 31 January 2019, 04:31:03 pm »

Quote from: VNA on 31 January 2019, 12:27:49 am

Well that is exactly the attitude of the EU to all the included states so long as they are not Germany or France. Thank you for posting.

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1955 on:** 31 January 2019, 07:03:55 pm »

Quote from: fazersharp on 31 January 2019, 04:31:03 pm

Quote from: VNA on 31 January 2019, 12:27:49 am

Well that is exactly the attitude of the EU to all the included states so long as they are not Germany or France. Thank you for posting.

Yeah I was thinking that succinctly sums up both the EU and Junckers. Thanks. Great cartoon that

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1956 on:** 31 January 2019, 07:14:09 pm »

So, it looks like May has called Barnier bluff.
Problem is he wasn't bluffing.

One day or so into this re-negotiating fortnight and it looks to be over.

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1957 on:** 31 January 2019, 08:20:16 pm »

Here's the EU and the Remainers preferred outcomes...

1) Brexit reversed and the UK remains in the EU, suitably humbled and humiliated.

2) The UK leaves under the worst possible terms and the economy suffers maximum damage as punishment and retribution for having the audacity to leave.

3) Err thats it

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1958 on:** 31 January 2019, 09:14:29 pm »

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Here's the EU and the Remainers preferred outcomes...

1) Brexit reversed and the UK remains in the EU, suitably humbled and humiliated. 2) The UK leaves under the worst possible terms and the economy suffers maximum damage as punishment and retribution for having the audacity to leave.
3) Err thats it

Right now, a NO DEAL BREXIT is still a possibility. The Tory government is still trying to run the clock down. The EU single market, as you know, accounts for 25% of global GDP, we are members of that market and enjoy quota free, tariff free trade with the 27 other countries in the EU as if we were all one country.

In the event of a NO DEAL BREXIT we will exit the single market. We will overnight become a third-party country. All goods crossing between us and the EU will have to have the appropriate customs paperwork, taxes and tariffs will have to be paid. Our currency, the pound will collapse, and our economy will nose dive. It is simply the reality of a NO DEAL BREXIT.

Quite as to how, any of that, is somehow the fault of those who voted against such self-harm and mayhem, is frankly, absolutely and utterly beyond me.

And then there is the nightmare of the Irish border.

You want a NO DEAL border YamFazFan. This is what you want. So perhaps you can tell us how the border between the UK and the EU will be policed in Ireland? I’d love to know.

Maybe what you are trying to tell us, or admitting to, is that reality is the fault of us REMAINERS, and it is our fault that we aren’t able to deliver you over to the cloud cuckoo land in which all – dunno what you want but know how to get it – BREXITEERS desperately want to be transposed to.

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1959 on:** 31 January 2019, 09:32:48 pm »

I don't want No Deal. I want them to agree a deal. But the EU are being deliberately awkward and uncompromising in helping the UK to achieve that.

They're hoping that all the palatable and workable options are closed off and that remaining is all that's left.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1960 on:** 31 January 2019, 09:45:09 pm »

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I don't want No Deal. I want them to agree a deal.

What!

Then what is it that you want?

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But the EU are being deliberately awkward and uncompromising in helping the UK to achieve that.

No the UK wants a divorce from the relationship it spent some 45 years building. We had a deal, we had the best possible deal we could have.

The EU has spent the last 2 years negotiating with Ms May and have agreed a Withdrawal Act. That allows us continued single market access while we negotiate our exit from the EU.

May cannot get her Withdrawal Act through parliament. Her Tory party objects to the protection that it affords the Irish Border.

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They're hoping that all the palatable and workable options are closed off and that remaining is all that's left.

I hope so. As we all know the best deal is the deal we have. However I suspect we are leaving one way or another.

But meanwhile yeah, please do tell us what it is you want..................

ogri48 · « **Reply #1961 on:** 31 January 2019, 09:46:04 pm »

I think its fair to say a lot of us leavers don't want no deal, but we do want it on the table to give us leverage. Whatever remainers say, the EU wont want it either, its just who blinks first

fazersharp · « **Reply #1962 on:** 31 January 2019, 09:59:29 pm »

Quote from: VNA on 31 January 2019, 09:14:29 pm

And then there is the nightmare of the Irish border.

How does the EU manage its border with Brazil ?

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1963 on:** 31 January 2019, 10:00:18 pm »

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I think its fair to say a lot of us leavers don't want no deal, but we do want it on the table to give us leverage.

So again, what is it that you want?

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EU wont want it either, its just who blinks first

My opinion is the EU will not blink. Their priority is the integrity of the single market. Secondly, they will do everything within their powers to protect one of it’s members from conflict on it’s border.

And they won't blink because they know as painful as NO DEAL will be for them, it won't hurt a fraction as much as it will us, plus in the long term they will still have the security and stability of the single market.

And you know what the UK is doing in contrast. It’s gambling. Not just it’s economy, but it’s gambling peace in Ireland, and peace across the UK.

Absolutely and utterly shameful.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1964 on:** 31 January 2019, 10:04:38 pm »

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1965 on:** 31 January 2019, 10:14:01 pm »

mtread · « **Reply #1966 on:** 31 January 2019, 11:02:40 pm »

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I don't want No Deal.

A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.
Does that mean people are allowed to change their minds on Brexit?

ogri48 · « **Reply #1967 on:** 31 January 2019, 11:24:17 pm »

sorry I should have been more specific.
I would prefer a deal, but one that gives us much more than the one the EU has agreed with Teresa May.. Failing that, I would prefer no deal as a second option.. What would be the point of keeping your powder dry if your not prepared to use it?
If it came to no deal, then of course it will be tough...but aren't most things that are worth having worth fighting for? Hasn't that been a huge part of our history and identity as a nation?

ogri48 · « **Reply #1968 on:** 31 January 2019, 11:25:43 pm »

Quote from: VNA on 31 January 2019, 12:27:49 am

and yup, that cartoon sums it all up brilliantly. And I for one am done with sucking up that fellers piss..

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1969 on:** 31 January 2019, 11:45:19 pm »

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A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.
Does that mean people are allowed to change their minds on Brexit?

Yup, that certainly seemed to be the case.

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I would prefer a deal, but one that gives us much more than the one the EU has agreed with Teresa May.

And that is?

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What would be the point of keeping your powder dry if your not prepared to use it?

The problem is where the barrel is pointing. And that cannot be changed.

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If it came to no deal, then of course it will be tough.

Yup tougher than the financial crises of 2008. UK industry devastated, millions on the brew, food banks everywhere - well once we get our supplies sorted. And for what?

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but aren't most things that are worth having worth fighting for?

Perhaps you could tell us what 'we' are figthing for?

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1970 on:** 31 January 2019, 11:47:37 pm »

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #1971 on:** 01 February 2019, 12:16:36 am »

So foc-u BREXITEERS want to leave the EU, but they dunno why.

They wanted out, just get foccing out, they didn’t wanna deal, they just wanted out.

Now they wanna deal, but not May’s deal. They wanna deal. Just they dunno what sort of deal they want, something more than May’s deal.

But most of all, they might not know what they want, but they are absolutely certain it’s worth fighting for.

This is what makes Britain so fuckin Great! Fuck yeah!

Grahamm · « **Reply #1972 on:** 01 February 2019, 01:09:27 am »

Billboard campaign reminds voters of MPs' Brexit promises

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1973 on:** 01 February 2019, 05:28:59 am »

Quote from: VNA on 31 January 2019, 09:45:09 pm

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I don't want No Deal. I want them to agree a deal.
What!
Then what is it that you want?

At the time No Deal appeared achievable. Since then pretty much everyone is agreed that it ain't gonna happen.

Parliament has voted to reject No Deal.

If the only alternative is remaining, then Deal is far preferable.

YamFazFan · « **Reply #1974 on:** 01 February 2019, 05:34:00 am »

Quote from: mtread on 31 January 2019, 11:02:40 pm

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I don't want No Deal.
A few weeks ago all you Leavers said you wanted No Deal! Nothing else would do. O yes you did, the evidence is on this thread.

No Deal is no longer achievable. Parliament will stop it happening.

Deal is far preferable to Remain if that's the only other alternative.