BREXIT

[YamFazFan]

the wisdom of generations of Englishmen

Many of whom will be dead by the time the full effects of Brexit are realised

So do you believe the older generation should have been excluded from the vote because statistically they're more likely to vote Leave?.

[mtread]

Not at all. Nor do I believe youth is gullible and that only the older generation know better.
Just pointing out facts (again)


Whoops I was forgetting. Leavers don't like facts because facts disprove their illogical arguments.

[dazza]

Here's a few facts for you to digest..... Oh yes, you refuse to click on any of my links for fear of hearing the truth
getting a virus.  
For anyone else interested, check out the bit about WTO.

 Actually, Sir  John Redwood has wrote a cracking piece on why civil servants want to stay in the EU.










http://facts4eu.org/news_decc_2018.shtml#pres

[dazza]

Here's another fact........You can't arrest anybody......cheers

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

Shame on you, for wishing to using the gullibility of youth to overturn the wisdom of generations of Englishmen

So says Agricola.
 

Am i the only one who hasn't got a clue what Brexit means or what it's all about?

So says Darrsi
 
I note that it is for Englishmen to decide.  Not Welsh, not Irish and clearly not Scots.



Other than that,  I am not trying to rip the pish oot of Agricola or Darrsi.


Just wanna make the point that we are a representative democracy.


As Mtread says, at the end of the day parliament will decide. 

And you know what, if they don’t? 

Well then our democracy is defunct.  Finished.
 

[mtread]

The truth is Dazza, that I don't follow your links because unlike others you can't be bothered to type out the relevant issues. Just posting links and saying 'read this' is a lazy way of responding, and I can't be bothered 

[Oldgit]

Just lets GTFOOI ASAP.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Just lets GTFOOI ASAP.

Well OK.  But I'd still like to know why folks wanna do this.  So 49 pages in and so far we have;
 Foc-u BREXITEER reasons for leaving the EU so far.
1.       Daylight running lamps
2.       Graded Bananas
3.       Dazza’a Great Grandfather
4.       Cheap food and drink imports (chlorinated chicken, GM modified crops etc which will put our producers out of buisness) from outside the EU and the EU's 50 free trade agreements.
 

[dazza]

The truth is Dazza, that I don't follow your links because unlike others you can't be bothered to type out the relevant issues. Just posting links and saying 'read this' is a lazy way of responding, and I can't be bothered 

Mtread, you wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you on the left testicle. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
Here's another little fact....there are a few coppers on here probably reading this who would've made many arrests in their time. I bet none of them would have threatened to come round and arrest someone, even in jest.
The fact that you did tells me you've actually never made an arrest or had the power to do so.
You are are a regular Walter Mitty with delusions of grandeur.
This is the real world mate, not your little cosseted civil servant world.
Wake up. Expand your knowledge, read the other point of views or forever remain narrow minded.
And as a bonus, you won't make yourself look like such a knob.

Just wanna make the point that we are a representative democracy.




Well then our democracy is defunct.  Finished.
 

Just keeps getting better doesn't it.....Now, all of a sudden VNA is concerned about democracy 


And you keep on posting the same things like a broken record when the real reasons either appear to have gone over your head or you've chosen to ignore them.
The real truth here is that both your responses and belittling attitudes haven't done the remain argument any good at all.
Another interesting fact was your reaction  to the video I posted with the two lovely gentleman, one ranting on about what he's going to do to anyone who converts to Christianity.
You were "offended" by who's page it came from rather than the content.....Oh dear.... You, are the reason these people are emboldened and feel they can post such offensive things and without you realising, you are the reason why support for your arch enemy "Tommy Robinson " is going to grow and grow.
So, sit back and enjoy the fruits of you being a snowflake.
You really are both  blinded by your self righteousness.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Quote from: mtread on Today at 12:01:59 PM
 
    The truth is Dazza, that I don't follow your links because unlike others you can't be bothered to type out the relevant issues. Just posting links and saying 'read this' is a lazy way of responding, and I can't be bothered 
 
 
Mtread, you wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you on the left testicle. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
Here's another little fact....there are a few coppers on here probably reading this who would've made many arrests in their time. I bet none of them would have threatened to come round and arrest someone, even in jest.
The fact that you did tells me you've actually never made an arrest or had the power to do so.
You are are a regular Walter Mitty with delusions of grandeur.
This is the real world mate, not your little cosseted civil servant world.
Wake up. Expand your knowledge, read the other point of views or forever remain narrow minded.
And as a bonus, you won't make yourself look like such a knob.
 
 
Quote from: VNA on Today at 01:16:26 AM
 
 
 
 
    Just wanna make the point that we are a representative democracy.
 
 
 
 
    Well then our democracy is defunct.  Finished.
     
 
 
 
 
Just keeps getting better doesn't it.....Now, all of a sudden VNA is concerned about democracy 
 
 
And you keep on posting the same things like a broken record when the real reasons either appear to have gone over your head or you've chosen to ignore them.
The real truth here is that both your responses and belittling attitudes haven't done the remain argument any good at all.
Another interesting fact was your reaction  to the video I posted with the two lovely gentleman, one ranting on about what he's going to do to anyone who converts to Christianity.
You were "offended" by who's page it came from rather than the content.....Oh dear.... You, are the reason these people are emboldened and feel they can post such offensive things and without you realising, you are the reason why support for your arch enemy "Tommy Robinson " is going to grow and grow.
So, sit back and enjoy the fruits of you being a snowflake.
You really are both  blinded by your self righteousness.

Video?  Don’t remember that, don’t think I reacted to it, possibly cos I’ve never seen it.
Anyway, Dazza, go for a walk or something.
Smoke a joint, whatever, chill out dude.
 

[mtread]

you've actually never made an arrest or had the power to do so.

And that is where you are.......... wrong 

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 You know I still can’t figure out where this is gonna go.
Anyway, today I’m thinking.
1.       May fails to get her deal past parliament
2.       JC calls for a vote of no confidence.
3.       JC looses vote when DUP votes with Tory party.
4.       Parliament in absolute deadlock and turmoil.  Government has failed.
5.       MP’s act across party lines and vote through a second referendum.
6.       Eventually the question is Cancel article 50 or NO DEAL
7.       The nightmare campaign begins.
8.       The people aren’t quite crazy enough to throw themselves off a cliff, so article 50 is cancelled.  It goes through with a substantial majority – people want an end this this shit.


 
That’ll all take a bit of time.  So, by about this time next year we will have cancelled article 50, we will remain as full members of the EU, and most importantly we will still have our veto.


Will there be riots?  No.  The public has pretty much had enough.   The majority will be thankful that we can get back to normal.


 
That’s my thinking today.  But I might change my mind tomorrow.
 

[agricola]

Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought

That’s incorrect, as I’ve pointed out before VAT replaced the purchase tax in the UK.

So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU

Agricola you continue to blame the EU for the policies of successive UK governments, and it appears local councils too.
You were given a ball to kick, and like many others you kicked it hard.  But I’m afraid you’ve kicked the wrong ball.

So tell me how Im better off in the EU then

Still waiting

Still waiting

Still waiting

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Still waiting

[fazersharp]

4.       Cheap food and drink imports 

So what happened to all your scaremongering about increased food prices. Looks like that one was proved false and you now agree that there is no need for food prices to increase.
 But now that you have been shown that you were wrong you have resorted to agreeing it can be cheaper but it will be poisoned instead.     

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Quote from: VNA on Today at 01:10:10 PM<blockquote>4.       Cheap food and drink imports 
</blockquote>So what happened to all your scaremongering about increased food prices. Looks like that one was proved false and you now agree that there is no need for food prices to increase.
 But now that you have been shown that you were wrong you have resorted to agreeing it can be cheaper but it will be poisoned instead.     

Your reason not mine.  I'm just listing the reasons foccers say they want to leave.  Almost 50 pages and that's all youse have come up with.

[mtread]

Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

[agricola]

Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

Oh dear, here we go, another scare tactic, no food on the supermarket shelves 

[fazersharp]

Apart from food prices, how about imported food availability? Held up because of additional Customs controls?

IF there is any through lack of planning then so - be- it we will get through it and as the first couple of weeks go by then it will sort itself out because there would only be a delay for the first batches and thereafter if there is still a delay then it will not be noticed as everything will of caught up wit itself . No one will die through lack of strawberry's in march or scarce tomatoes. 

[mtread]

It's more complicated than that. At the moment food on lorries from France goes through unchecked roll on/roll off the ferries. After we leave (without a deal) all lorries will need export/import paperwork and will require checks. There will be continuous delays on both sides of the channel. Perishable food perishes. European suppliers will find other markets for their goods to avoid the hassle.
Good job we've got turnips 

[ogri48]

im avoiding the news until we are (hopefully) out.....

[mtread]

im avoiding the news until we are (hopefully) out.....

Stick January 14th in your diary. Worth another look then.

[ogri48]

will do mate..

[VNA - BMW Wank]

im avoiding the news until we are (hopefully) out.....

See my post 1211 for my prediction on what will happen next.
But basically I think parliament will realise agreeing a deal is not possible, because every possibe deal is worse than staying in and NO DEAL is not worth even thinking about.
So by the end of 2019, one way or another, article 50 will be cancelled. 

[dazza]

It's more complicated than that. At the moment food on lorries from France goes through unchecked roll on/roll off the ferries. After we leave (without a deal) all lorries will need export/import paperwork and will require checks. There will be continuous delays on both sides of the channel. Perishable food perishes. European suppliers will find other markets for their goods to avoid the hassle.
Good job we've got turnips 

This is what frustrates me.
If our government was serious, there would be greenhouses sprouting up all over the country to provide us with our perishable foods all year round.
There really is no need to rely on Spanish tomatoes, peppers or cucumbers when we grow them here in Kent.
This also sends out a clear message to the EU that we are serious and prepared to become as self sufficient as possible
For those who won't click links
Google  Thanet Earth
For any normal people....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanet_Earth

[ogri48]

once Cameron got the result he should have immediately assembled a team of lawyers, businessmen, eu experts etc etc to not only get us the best result but prove to the world and the remainers it was not only doable but would be a resounding success. sadly, hes a politician, so we all knew that wasn't going to happen. im just hoping against hope that whatever else happens, we still get out. everything is sortable from that point