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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: FZS1000 Haynes Manual
« on: 07 February 2024, 10:30:20 am »
There's nothing specific that I'm looking for at this stage. My main interest is in having another resource to cross-reference generally. Though, I was prompted to start looking because I have some work coming up - carb clean and valve clearance check.

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: FZS1000 Haynes Manual
« on: 11 January 2024, 04:38:02 am »
Thanks PieEater, the forum post you linked is extremely helpful. I'll probably refer back to this a fair bit as I go through the bike.


Regarding manuals, there doesn't appear to be a haynes manual available in the downloads page. Am I missing something or is it not available?


Cheers

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / FZS1000 Haynes Manual
« on: 06 January 2024, 06:18:35 am »
Hi all,

Does anyone have a Haynes manual pdf for the fzs1000? I had a look at the downloads section of this forum (as well as other fazer forums) and have not been able to find one.


Cheers,

CountFazer

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch Problem - FZS600 1998
« on: 25 July 2022, 03:16:08 am »
Considering taking the engine swap path because I can get another engine (with 5500km) for three times the price of the gear selector forks which would be $300.

The engine is coming from a private seller is there anything I should be on the look out for with the new engine?

Also, would I be able to complete an engine swap without a lift? I imagine it’s going to be pretty heavy so difficult to lift into position. I could also enlist the help of an extra set of hands but I’m not sure if that’ll be enough.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch Problem - FZS600 1998
« on: 30 May 2022, 12:29:14 pm »
Why do people prefer to fit new engines? Is it because they’re not doing the work themselves and/or it’ll close $$$ and too much time to fix it?


I got this bike as a project and to me this the next part of the journey. It would be good to keep going to see how far I can get.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch Problem - FZS600 1998
« on: 16 May 2022, 04:45:56 am »
Thanks Gnasher. Looks like I have some research to do. There are some good discussions on here for this issue so hopefully that combined with further research will be enough. Very keen to get this project running as it should and this is probably the last major issue to sort out for now. Had a good 3000k km on it though before having to sort this out. Can well and truely say I’m hooked. Thanks for your help along the way.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 11 May 2022, 12:01:32 pm »
Fortunately, based on the advice on here I decided on holding off replacing the cam chain. I had all the tools and parts right there ready to go. Then the rattle just stopped. I’m now at the 10th mark on the CCT. Glad I held off.

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FZS600 Fazer / Clutch Problem - FZS600 1998
« on: 03 May 2022, 12:57:42 am »
Hi All,

I've been having some issues with my clutch which have now progressed and need some immediate attention.

How it started:
When changing from first to second the gearbox would jump out of second and back to neutral. This would occur particularly after hard acceleration. After one or two goes I could get the bike to go into second.
After a while this would occur at any rate of acceleration. Also the bike would sometimes skip second and jump into third.

How it's going now:
Now the bike struggles to get into second. When changing from first to second it will go straight to neutral and then it'll be like there are no more gears. I can get it to go to second after a lot of tries but then have issues getting back to first.

When the bike is in each gear the behaviour is normal. No clutch slip or anything else that's unusual. It just an issue when changing gears.


From what I've read on here, it seems like this might be an issue with the gear selector forks or maybe the clutch springs. It would be good to hear some thoughts from people on here. Maybe the problem could be something else and there might be a procedure to follow for proper diagnosis of the problem.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Reshimming Valves - almost done but a couple of issues
« on: 20 February 2022, 12:52:51 am »
Need some opinions now. So what I’ve done to correct the timing without taking the cam caps off was the following:
1. Remove tensioner
2. Make some slack on exhaust side and move the chain along one tooth for both cam shafts (this is what was needed)
3. Take up slack on exhaust side of cam chain
4. Install cam chain tensioner and turn crank shaft
5. Check tensioner is at same notch as before - being at the same notch indicates I take side of cam chain is tensioned to the same degree as before therefore there is no slack remaining on exhaust side.

I know that I should’ve remove the cam shaft caps and reset timing that way but I was hoping for a faster work around.

Is it possible that there’s still slack on the exhaust side of the cam chain? Is what I’ve done supremely dodgy? It’d be good to hear some thoughts.






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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Reshimming Valves - almost done but a couple of issues
« on: 20 February 2022, 12:00:02 am »
Update: just redid my timing. This time it was further out but on the other side of the datum. So it looks like to was right before. So I assume it was only slightly out before due to cam chain wear

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FZS600 Fazer / Reshimming Valves - almost done but a couple of issues
« on: 19 February 2022, 01:22:34 pm »
Hi all,

I've been getting stuck into a valve clearance check and reshimming. It's nearly all done but I'm having a couple of issues with reassembly and timing.

First, the front cam chain guide. Can this be inserted/removed with the camshafts already bolted down? In the Haynes manual the guide goes in after the camshafts are secured, and before the cam chain tensioner is put in. But, I cannot for the life of me work out a way to fit it in without removing the exhaust camshaft to make some space.

Second, valve timing. My timing looks slightly out at the moment, especially looking at the intake timing. I've attached some photos of the datum - maybe the timing is fine, so I just want to hear some thoughts on it.

https://imgur.com/zx1WMDR
https://imgur.com/2KcCVsV
https://imgur.com/GuLgj0f


Also, will putting the front guide in alter the location of the timing datum? Just trying to work out if I should factor this in when correcting timing.


Cheers

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 19 February 2022, 12:50:58 pm »
The tensioner has done its job and clicked over, so there's no more cam chain rattle. A decent amount of unnecessary work was avoided by holding off and doing some further troubleshooting.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 26 December 2021, 04:18:40 am »
In the case of cam chain wear due to oil starvation would you not except as much stretching compared to normal cam chain wear? I’m beginning to think that if the CCT is fine and the cam chain isnt stretched enough for the next click, then maybe the cam chain is still worn but due to oil starvation.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 23 December 2021, 08:31:21 pm »
Ahh yes the idle mixture screws. I’ve set them already - starting at 2 turns out and then adjusting each until strongest revs we’re achieved. I don’t think this is the issue. Is there anything else that could be causing this?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 23 December 2021, 09:36:30 am »
When I checked the tensioner there was no visible wear. Based on all the evidence so far I think you're right that it's not the cam chain. I'm glad I didnt go through the job of replacing it only to come back to the same issue.


I've balanced the carbs, but the noise remains.


The noise actually seems loudest at the level of the intake camshaft. It gets slightly louder with increased revs and it doesn't quieten once the bike is warm.


Where would I find the pilot bleed screw? I've had a search in the manual and didn't find anything on this.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 13 December 2021, 02:14:40 am »
Hi Gnasher, thanks for all your messages on this topic. They’ve been very helpful.


An update on the cam chain noise:


I’ve finally been able to get my fazer registered (I just recently got my full license and can now ride it). It has been taken out for a 280km ride, some parts which were quite spirited. I got up to 10k+ rpm quite a few times and I tried to keep the revs in the upper range in the twisties. Unfortunately the cam chain noise remains. Here’s an updated video of the sound [size=78%]https://youtu.be/2wT8M6de9y8[/size]


After my ride I tried to fix the problem by manually pushing the tensioner in by 1 click. It didn’t budge. I took out the tensioner completely and bumped it along a click but when putting it back in there was clearance between the tensioner and the engine block. I didn’t want to force it and I figured that the cam chain wasn’t ready for the next click.
At present the tensioner is on the 9th click with 3 clicks left.


I’m not sure where to go from here. Should I go for some more rides?
Could the problem be something else or might my cam chain be actually worn out?


It’d be great to hear what you or anyone else reckons.


Cheers

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 10 October 2021, 05:56:34 am »
Thanks Gnasher for your advice. I've taken it into consideration and decided to take the bike out to spread its wings. I just need some new tires as the old ones are 10 yrs old and have dry rot.

I was surprised to learn that the tensions are already at 7 or 8 when new. In a way, this would mean that my cam chain is around 40% worn (if starting at 7) instead of 75% worn (if starting at 1) which I was thinking before. But of course, this assumes cam chain age can be measured by stretch alone, which is an oversimplification.

Judging by the condition of your bike, it's one that's been well looked after and not used a great deal.


I hope you're right. I don't know much about the history other than it hasn't seen much action in the last 10 years. The rest can only be inferred from the things I find while working on, and soon riding, the bike.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 08 October 2021, 09:57:14 am »
Thanks Gnasher for your very detailed response.


First why are you changing it at only 43k miles?


The cam chain is rattling pretty loud. Here's a video. https://youtu.be/mAQfPnmdCBw
I've checked the CCT and it is at the 9th click of 12 which makes me think the problem is the cam chain.
Funnily enough, I recently got a parts bike (FZS600 1999) with the same mileage and very little cam chain sound. At this point I am unsure which will become the main bike as the parts bike needs work too. But for now I am committed to replacing the cam chain on my project.

Personally I don't use split link or soft link cam chains.  The former just isn't strong enough and the latter often is either over tight or too loose both will shorten chain life, I've seen DIY replaced chains fail in under 3k.  Fit endless, yes it's a bit more work and expense but it won't fail and last as mentioned 70k plus. It you must use a split/soft link, slide the new chain on to the old, thread some thin solid copper wire through the links, in a criss/cross pattern.  Make sure the ends are on the outside, twist off the ends and fold flat, pull the chain through by rotating the crank. 


I've got a soft link chain for the replacement as I'm trying to avoid the work involved in installing an endless chain. Thanks for your warning about compressing the rivet and for the explanation for pulling through the new cam chain.




Don't attempt it unless you are confident of your ability, have somewhere undercover, out of the wind to do it and have all the required tools and parts.Male sure any slack is at the back, if you got any at the front the timing is out and you run the risk of wrecking the motor.   



I've done a fair bit of research and I'm confident that if I take it slow I can work it out. The main things that I will be focusing on are
  • Cam cap removal and installation - ensuring not to bend cam shafts from the forces applied by compressed valve springs.
    I think the sequence for this is outlined in the Haynes manual.
  • Timing - lining up all datum marks & ensuring there's no slack between crank and exhaust cam gear.
    This makes sense because the CCT is between the intake cam gear and the crankshaft.
    I'll turn the crank over a few times at the end to ensure timing datum still line up.
  • Rivet link installation
  • Keeping mated surfaces together

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FZS600 Fazer / Cam Chain Replacement
« on: 08 October 2021, 06:13:01 am »
Hi all,

I am replacing my cam chain on my 1998 FZS600 (~70k km). I have read through the service manual, the haynes manual and some of the forum posts as well as youtube videos. So I have a good idea about what I need to do, though I do have some questions.
  • What's a good way to secure the new rivet linked cam chain to the old cam chain while pulling it through?
    I'm thinking some string or a zip tie where the rivet should be, though I'm keen to see what other people have done.

  • Do I need to replace the cylinder head cover gasket?
    I've seen this recommended in the service manual, though have not seen any mention of needing to replace it elsewhere.

  • Is it necessary to remove the radiator?
    Seen this in the service manual but not in haynes.

  • How many rivets are there on the cam chain between the marks on the sprockets?
    I will probably end up working this out by lining everything up properly but it would be a good additional check.

  • Do you have any tips or hints?
Thanks in advance.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fitting/Bending Replacement fuel lines
« on: 22 September 2021, 02:44:46 am »
Cheers Gnasher and unfazed for the replies. This is a massive help!
 
The fuel joiner solution seems like the easiest and will solve the leakage problem.

Although, I will probably replace all the old hoses due to wear around the ends of the hoses thanks to some impatience on my part when working on the bike. This is what caused my leak in the first place - lessons were learned. Thanks unfazer for setting out how to do this.




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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fitting/Bending Replacement fuel lines
« on: 21 September 2021, 08:12:01 am »
Thanks for the replies Gnasher and BBROWN1664.

My reason for replacement are:
a) I have sprung a leak on the hose from fuel pump to carbs.
b) Fuel lines are getting on a bit (they're a bit stiff) and due to me wrestling them on and off the fuel filter a few times, they have slight damage at the connection.

I could probably get away with only replacing the fuel pump to carb hose but I thought it'd be good to replace the lot.

Is it any value if I put my fuel hoses through a sleeve to ensure the correct shape and prevent kinking? Or even using hot water to shape the fuel hoses like the OEM hoses?

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FZS600 Fazer / Fitting/Bending Replacement fuel lines
« on: 21 September 2021, 06:50:18 am »

Hi All,

There's a similar post on this regarding routing new fuel hoses by Friar (https://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=27120.msg0;boardseen#new) but I have a slightly different question to ask.
I want to replace the 3 fuel lines from tank to carbs.
What have people done in the past?
  • Is there somewhere I can get OEM fuel hoses for cheap?
  • Has anyone got straight hoses and then shaped them?
  • Should I just apply the solution in Friar's post and get straight hose that is long enough to compensate for the tight space getting from points A to B?
I'm not sure how I should proceed.

Location: Sydney, Australia

Cheers




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