Occasional Starting Problems - Any advice welcomed

[jonesthesteam]

Hi - On my '98 FZS600 I have an intermittent starting issue, sometimes it will start straight away on the button (hot or cold) and other times there is just a clicking noise, If I move (rock) the bike forwards or back whilst in gear it will then usually start on the starter again (not always, sometimes takes a few "rocks"), it can always be jump started if I happen to be on a hill


It has just had a brand new battery fitted so does anyone have an idea of what else may be causing this?


It's going into my local garage for service next week and they will look at it and are happy for me to supply parts (eBay) and they will fit for me, just wondered what I should be looking for or if anyone else has experienced the same? - starter motor, relays etc etc


Any help appreciated


Jonesthesteam

[CRH]

sounds like starter solinoid fkd?....you will find one on ebay??....cheap!!!!!!!!

[jonesthesteam]

sounds like starter solinoid fkd?....you will find one on ebay??....cheap!!!!!!!!

Thanks - Do you mean one of these?


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-fzs600-fazer-starter-relay-98-/261033292260?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3cc6cbf1e4#ht_500wt_1287


Sorry - Not very technical 


Jonesthesteam

[CRH]

yes mate?...worth trying that first, could be cheap fix? ....also make sure your battery connections are tight?

[jonesthesteam]

yes mate?...worth trying that first, could be cheap fix? ....also make sure your battery connections are tight?

At that price its worth buying just in case - Thanks for your help


Jonesthesteam

[red98]

sounds like starter solinoid fkd?....you will find one on ebay??....cheap!!!!!!!!

 
yep....solinoid from me too...its easy to fit you might be able to do it yourself and save a few quids 

[ade the blade]

well i go for starter motor........because our mate says it will fire up if rocked in gear, sooooooooooooo how does that effect a solenoid / relay 18" back from the motor. its obviously something mechanical ( moving ) hence my vote. sowwwwwy

[CRH]

dont listen to the blade mate??....he rides a honda?

[ade the blade]

dont listen to the blade mate??....he rides a honda?

you got it.......and its me 19th !!!!!!

[jonesthesteam]

Garage thought it may be starter motor when I popped in with it today, they checked the battery and told me about the "rocking in gear" tip, will try the relay as only a tenner and then starter motor if relay doesn't fix it, they seem quite cheap on the 'bay as well


Thanks for your advice (I like Honda's as well  )


Jonesthesteam

[CRH]

fks sake dont lett the blade hear that mate???? ......cant get a helmet to fitt him now?????????????

[ade the blade]

Garage thought it may be starter motor when I popped in with it today, they checked the battery and told me about the "rocking in gear" tip, will try the relay as only a tenner and then starter motor if relay doesn't fix it, they seem quite cheap on the 'bay as well


Thanks for your advice (I like Honda's as well  )


Jonesthesteam

good lad   and good luck with the bike. easy fix whichever one needs sorting ! keep us informed of your progress

[ade the blade]

fks sake dont lett the blade hear that mate???? ......cant get a helmet to fitt him now?????????????

maybe thats why i`m kept busy 7 days a week in me workshop mate. all work very little play. but i loves it

[red98]

dont listen to the blade mate??....he rides a honda?

crh mate..............ive got a honda aswell  .......theres a few of us about 
 love to see a picture of your norton.......

[CRH]

dont listen to the blade mate??....he rides a honda?

crh mate..............ive got a honda aswell  .......theres a few of us about 
 love to see a picture of your norton.......

   only jokin red! i dont mind hondas....after all?...they dont brake down as often do they?? ...i will sort some pics out, when i can get to it??....i have it in storage at a mate of mine in lincolshire !...do miss it though? .....hopeing to see...the man? ...today!!..will lett you know later??   

[jonesthesteam]

Got the bike back from local garage today after servicing it.


On the forums advice I supplied them a S/H solenoid (eBay £3) and S/H starter motor (eBay £16) and the winning answer was..................................Starter Motor!


Posting just in case anyone has similar issues in the future - Many thanks to all those who gave advice, much appreciated, I am sure the solenoid will come in handy some time in the future.


 


Jonesthesteam

[AdieR]

Just saw this thread, I would have said motor too, mate at work had identical symptoms on a Goldwing not long ago.

[red98]

ive changed my mind now.....i think its the starter motor 

[ade the blade]

Got the bike back from local garage today after servicing it.


On the forums advice I supplied them a S/H solenoid (eBay £3) and S/H starter motor (eBay £16) and the winning answer was..................................Starter Motor!


Posting just in case anyone has similar issues in the future - Many thanks to all those who gave advice, much appreciated, I am sure the solenoid will come in handy some time in the future.


 


Jonesthesteam

glad your sorted mate........keep the spare in a nice drawer thats handy......maybe someone on her would need it sometime down the road.

[ade the blade]

ive changed my mind now.....i think its the starter motor 

tut tut......theres always one ......good evening by the way !!

[red98]

ive changed my mind now.....i think its the starter motor 

tut tut......theres always one ......good evening by the way !!

 
and a good evening to you mr a.t.blade.......do you now have a nice clean workshop 

[CRH]

and good evening to the both of you!!....yes?....ile go with you as well red?...... ....

[ade the blade]

 

ive changed my mind now.....i think its the starter motor 

tut tut......theres always one ......good evening by the way !!

 
and a good evening to you mr a.t.blade.......do you now have a nice clean workshop 

sure do my mate. and nice shiny bikes ready for the sh&tty weather.oh and fixed the air-line oiler. o-ring had split and was wondering why the back of my neck was all oily the other day using the compressor

[bikemad62]

You may Want to Consider the Brushes in your starter motor being worn. Im assuming the starter motor is an original fitted by yamaha. The repair is easy to do if your up for it. you could just get another motor from a breakers or Ebay. A call to your nearest trusted dealer for prices of the brushes should be a consideration in case getting a second hand motor is cheaper than the brushes. just changing the starter motor is three bolts, two hold the motor in place the third is the high ampage wire from the starter solenoid. Tap out the starter motor with a piece of 2x1 and a mallet. If you're an experienced diy mechanic changing will take about 20 mins. If not take lots and lots or pictures as you take it apart.and take your time. Hope this helps.

[jonesthesteam]

You may Want to Consider the Brushes in your starter motor being worn. Im assuming the starter motor is an original fitted by yamaha. The repair is easy to do if your up for it. you could just get another motor from a breakers or Ebay. A call to your nearest trusted dealer for prices of the brushes should be a consideration in case getting a second hand motor is cheaper than the brushes. just changing the starter motor is three bolts, two hold the motor in place the third is the high ampage wire from the starter solenoid. Tap out the starter motor with a piece of 2x1 and a mallet. If you're an experienced diy mechanic changing will take about 20 mins. If not take lots and lots or pictures as you take it apart.and take your time. Hope this helps.

Thanks very much for your advice, have now sorted with a second hand starter motor off eBay for £16 (plus a bit of labour) that did the job, that's what I love about the Fazer - Loads of cheap parts available if needed, although still looking for a black bagster tank cover if anyone has one?  


Jonesthesteam