Honestly Fazersharp, mate. Learn to spend a bit of money where your favourite things are concerned (e.g. riding your bike). Get yourself one of those Pertex wind shirts, like the cyclists use. Thin as a fag paper, weighs nothing, packs down tiny in a little stuff sack. Put it on under or over a pullover, makes one hell of a difference without bulking you out. If you need to be warmer still, try a down or primaloft jacket under your bike jacket - some have a Pertex outer layer, so they are very windproof, and come in different weights, so you still don't need to bulk up too much. Wind chill is half the battle.This is the top I use:https://www.jackson-sports.com/en/gb/Montane-Featherlite-Pull-On/m-10281.aspx?PartnerID=2948&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=UnitedKingdom&gclid=CjwKCAiAoNTUBRBUEiwAWje2lqM2wXmauD3SheEVtyT6hXpJOH-IyJK47sT-W9iSZzOXIMN8x6geoxoCwpgQAvD_BwEYeah, I know, pricey but I got mine for £25 in a sale, so look out for such.And if I need to be even warmer, I use one of these:https://www.climbers-shop.com/10900842/products/rab-generator-jacket.aspx
I don't think i've ever worn that much clothing at the same time in all of my lifetime.Maybe if i was doing a North Pole expedition.Normally a short sleeved shirt under my jacket,vor if it goes below freezing like today i'll add a vest You seriously need to invest in heated grips, they'll make a massive difference to you out in the cold, compared to not having them at all.
Anyone know anything about Bontrager B2 Windshell Long Sleeve Base Layer looks to be around £40-£60 but found somewhere I get it for £20
Quote from: fazersharp on 27 February 2018, 01:20:23 pmAnyone know anything about Bontrager B2 Windshell Long Sleeve Base Layer looks to be around £40-£60 but found somewhere I get it for £20Sharpie you are a tight fucker
Quote from: darrsi on 27 February 2018, 12:14:22 pmI don't think i've ever worn that much clothing at the same time in all of my lifetime.Maybe if i was doing a North Pole expedition.Normally a short sleeved shirt under my jacket,vor if it goes below freezing like today i'll add a vest You seriously need to invest in heated grips, they'll make a massive difference to you out in the cold, compared to not having them at all.Think we have been there with heated grips before and they are not for me.As for so many layers, If I am pootling into town in heavy traffic then I wear less and don't get cold but I dont commute or go out in crap traffic usually so my rides are all wind chillers. My legs and feet actually never get cold.
Quote from: darrsi on 16 February 2017, 05:58:28 pmQuote from: fazersharp on 05 February 2017, 07:30:41 pmOk out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.So you have different hands to everyone else?You don't touch the grips when riding? That's clever! Heat travels, if your palms are being blasted with heat then the attached fingers will obviously get some warmth as well.No like I said my fingers from knuckles to the tips do not really touch the grips its thumb, palms and half my fingers, and warming my palms up wont help my finger cause I have got crap circulation.
Quote from: fazersharp on 05 February 2017, 07:30:41 pmOk out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.So you have different hands to everyone else?You don't touch the grips when riding? That's clever! Heat travels, if your palms are being blasted with heat then the attached fingers will obviously get some warmth as well.
Ok out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.
I ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement. Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow. A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.
Quote from: Simon.Pieman on 28 February 2018, 02:46:47 pmI ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement. Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow. A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.Never had a set of heated grips fail on me, so maybe it's just you talking your usual bullshit?
Quote from: darrsi on 28 February 2018, 09:07:50 pmQuote from: Simon.Pieman on 28 February 2018, 02:46:47 pmI ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement. Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow. A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.Never had a set of heated grips fail on me, so maybe it's just you talking your usual bullshit?As I've said in the past, I really don't care what the hell you think as you are often abusive. 'Been on this forum for around 10 years now and noticed most of the old guard left after you started posting regularly. Obviously some others did object to your rants and abuse. Grow up.
I got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm.
Quote from: RikkiWilliams on 01 March 2018, 08:32:18 amI got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm. The thing I worry about is when the word "Thermal" is used in clothes but I have no idea what is rated a proper thermal over a normal fluffy t shirt, what give manufactures the right to call something thermal its not like CE armer that has to pass tests --- is it ?I just can not bring myself to attach muffs im afraid.
Quote from: fazersharp on 01 March 2018, 09:56:11 amQuote from: RikkiWilliams on 01 March 2018, 08:32:18 amI got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm. The thing I worry about is when the word "Thermal" is used in clothes but I have no idea what is rated a proper thermal over a normal fluffy t shirt, what give manufactures the right to call something thermal its not like CE armer that has to pass tests --- is it ?I just can not bring myself to attach muffs im afraid. M&S thermal underwear I have always found to be pretty good, but you do need a wind-proof layer in there somewhere for anything like that to have a chance of working properly. Unfortunately, with not wanting handlebar muffs, you have probably just ruled out the most effective way of keeping hands warm. I don't blame you though, I've never liked the things, but then, I don't ride much when it's freezing. Lots of folk swear that summer gloves are all that's needed under them though, and combined with heated grips, you'll never experience cold hands again. I do miss my heated grips I had on the last bike, had never tried them before that.
I've always wanted just a simple hand guard to take the wind off the gloves, which would work really well i reckon, but there's just not enough room on my bike without them hitting the fairing.
M&S thermal underwear I have always found to be pretty good, but you do need a wind-proof layer in there somewhere for anything like that to have a chance of working properly.
I have just ordered this http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer for wind block. You will see from my picture that my leather has a generous crossover that tucks under the zip and yet I still get a draft so an extra layer of proper wind block may help.