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General => General => Topic started by: darrsi on 22 November 2014, 01:28:05 pm
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Stories like this really piss me off. >:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845091/Driver-told-not-drive-medical-condition-fall-asleep-caused-head-horror-crash-left-motorcyclist-severe-brain-injuries.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845091/Driver-told-not-drive-medical-condition-fall-asleep-caused-head-horror-crash-left-motorcyclist-severe-brain-injuries.html)
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I blame the judiciary/HMG more.......the sentences handed down for most crimes are shockingly lenient
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Interesting that his helmet came off.
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Interesting that his helmet came off.
Sounds like just the result of a savage head impact. :(
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i know that road well very busy at times I bet the poor biker just had nowhere to go .......makes you think how quickly everything can change :o
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My wife has epilepsy, she has never held a licence....it's a pain in the arse, but a neccesity....especially for others.
She sometimes has a rant because of the general state of folk on the roads these days & to be fair i've let her drive my car up the airfield and she's is a pretty switched on driver.......(she's an even better back seat driver which does my head in but it's only because she observes general roadcraft when she's out with me and i'm only too happy to tell her all the bits n bobs of driving where i can).
She sometimes says to me via frustration "id be fine driving....look at the state of these fuckers..... if i felt bad i just would t drive".....& i try to explain that once you're commited to being a driver it is very difficult to turn away.......people will kid themselves that they are ok to drive.....why?.....because modern life is harsh and critical and we're alll in a rush.....& people that are impaired are not gonna say "actually i dont feel fit tight now" because they will already be commited......it's a big problem.....theres no real support fo the person who relies solely on transport for everything else in their life.....their livelyhood, house, kids etc.......just doctors and police with matter of fact answers or advice but no support structure outwith.
But i think that the medical conditions are the least of our worries.....it's the old farts that are the real danger.......focccccccin ell........probably half of them were never good drivers to start with...before they grew old, frail, disabled, disturbed, inept, delirious, blind, deaf , overly entitled and more stubborn than they ever were in their youth.....these are the danger.....again being shafted by society because they know fine well that they will get screwed over by the system if they just volunteer their licence away......these folk are our enemies on the roads and probably popping more pills than the average illegal raver scaffolder.
Old story of causing many accidents whilst being involved in few.
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.....it's the old farts that are the real danger.......focccccccin ell........probably half of them were never good drivers to start with...before they grew old, frail, disabled, disturbed, inept, delirious, blind, deaf , overly entitled and more stubborn than they ever were in their youth.....these are the danger....
Obviously your talkin about Red98....
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.....it's the old farts that are the real danger.......focccccccin ell........probably half of them were never good drivers to start with...before they grew old, frail, disabled, disturbed, inept, delirious, blind, deaf , overly entitled and more stubborn than they ever were in their youth.....these are the danger....
Obviously your talkin about Red98....
Ahem! :lol
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.....it's the old farts that are the real danger.......focccccccin ell........probably half of them were never good drivers to start with...before they grew old, frail, disabled, disturbed, inept, delirious, blind, deaf , overly entitled and more stubborn than they ever were in their youth.....these are the danger....
Obviously your talkin about Red98....
Ahem! :lol
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.....it's the old farts that are the real danger.......focccccccin ell........probably half of them were never good drivers to start with...before they grew old, frail, disabled, disturbed, inept, delirious, blind, deaf , overly entitled and more stubborn than they ever were in their youth.....these are the danger....
Obviously your talkin about Red98....
Ahem! :lol
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So you young scrotes are against all us over 50s
not our fault you yung uns are all in such a hurry,,,slooooowww doowwwwnnn :D
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Bit unfair pointing fingers at old school drivers, there are bad drivers, and pedestrians, from all ages and walks of life that are more than capable of being a complete arse when anywhere near a road.
Around my area i can quite easily pick out the worst culprits who are more than guaranteed to drive like nobody else is on the road, and who continuously freak me out when riding to and from work, i genuinely don't know how, or even if, they have valid driving licences because they seem so blinkered when on the road it's like i simply don't exist.
I'm not going to say who they are because i don't want to be controversial, and also wouldn't want to upset any Asian women who undoubtedly read this forum. :tape :lol
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now now boys....no need for that..i have a day out with swimbo and come back to this :\ .......foccing bastar*d`s :finger ......so to christo,noggy and the nut that is exup.......think it was 1982,the last time i fell off my bike :pokefun ....... :lol
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That's about the last time I saw my knob. Us old gits need to stick together.
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now now boys....no need for that..i have a day out with swimbo and come back to this :\ .......foccing bastar*d`s :finger ......so to christo,noggy and the nut that is exup.......think it was 1982,the last time i fell off my bike :pokefun ....... :lol
Point pointed! :b
TBH, I was laughing at Noggy rather than anything. Gots to keep the banter rolling! :)
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All taken in good humour christo......noticed the other two have gone quiet.... :pokefun
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How old do I have to be to be considered one of these "old farts?"
Actually, noggy, I think you will find bad drivers right across the age spectrum.
Driving is a complex activity requiring,amongst other things, good psychomotor skills-some have them and some dont.
Doesnt take much to pass a car test-some never learn anything ever again in what could be a 60 year driving career :eek
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Foc me.....66.........your definitely an an old fart...... :lol
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Oh yeh Christo pussying out eh with that old "i was just luaghing at noggy" chestnut. :lol
Actually Red has a foccin point.....i was born in 82 and since then i've crashed once...Red nil.......probably going just fast enough to stay balanced while not going fast so fast that your stabilisers fall off eh Red :b .
My gripe is at the portrayed fear of this guy and his sleep apnea although nowhere in the story does it actually say why he fell asleep.....he was advised not to drive.....plus advice is far different to being ordered isnt it........plus another thing :grumble .....quite what type of this sleep apnea he had isnt described......i always thought that most folk with sleep apnea just stopped breathing "when" they fall asleep rather than just randomly falling asleep in the middle of the day with no warning...the fact that he had sleep apnea is irrelevant.....the fact that he had driven for too long, fatigued himself and subsequently fell asleep is fully relavent.
So i kinda think the news story is a little bit of bullshit panic about folk with medical conditions and in actual fact anybody can fall asleep at the wheel if they arent responsible.
And like i say these conditions make up such a small percentage of drivers whereby the old folk are a very large percentage and growing all the time in an ageing society.
While the old farts are a danger i dont totally blame them....like i say the system is out to get them and although it is responsible to hand in their keys they know fine well that honesty isnt always the best policy and because of that its all to easy to kid themselves that they are still fit to drive.
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The guy ruins a mans life and a families to boot get 30 months and will be out after 15 months I expect, does not have his licence revoked for life.
But just to stir the pot I bet I pay less for motor car and motorcycle insurance than a 25 year old and me being 66, I wonder why that would be. :nana
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But just to stir the pot I bet I pay less for motor car and motorcycle insurance than a 25 year old and me being 66, I wonder why that would be. :nana
Coz you wont be in a rush to get your oats! :evil
Coz they know that you're more than likely to be down the bingo hall or letching from the veranda of some costa del coffee shop than actually driving or riding........& when you are on or in a motor then chances are youll have nowt to get to fast in the first place :lol ............
"Oh foc......i better get home...........fray bentos pie & mushy peas again" :b
;)
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But just to stir the pot I bet I pay less for motor car and motorcycle insurance than a 25 year old and me being 66, I wonder why that would be. :nana
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because they know the pension only stretches so far :lol
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There are two Types of Sleep Apnea
Why should airflow into the lungs drop during sleep?
There are two main causes. These causes define the two major types of sleep apnea:
Type of Sleep Apnea
Obstructive Sleep Apnea....... Airflow is blocked.......Air cannot enter lungs properly.
caused by weight , tonsil ,jaw issues ...this is the most common.
Central Sleep apnea... your breath is reduced wich can cause Heart failure. problem lies within brain for this one.
A person with sleep apnea usually has one of the two types predominate. A third type of sleep apnea is "mixed sleep apnea" -- a combination of obstructive and central.
When people talk about "sleep apnea," they usually mean obstructive sleep apnea (OSA). OSA is more common in the general population than central sleep apnea.
Snoring is related to OSA. About 70% of people with OSA will snore. About 25% of people who snore have OSA
ever nodded off and woke with a gasp/snort/fart then nodded back off ..well that's your brain telling you, you stopped
breathing and there is something wrong ..wake up quick ....we probably all done it.
if you do it quite often go to the docs get it checked out .
black and white terms is you stop breathing when your asleep and your brain wakes you up before you pop off.
also when/if you get diagnosed with SA you get advised to inform the DVLA by the hospital/doctors ...wich is down to you to do...in turn you will lose your licence for a year depending what you drive could be more if you drive wagons/trucks(4 yrs if I recall)
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Some sound sleep science there mr R1....made me a little sleepy but im hanging on there. :D
But am i just tripping here or does sleep apnea only happen to people that sleep?
Or can you have awake apnea whereby you suddenly go from a state of being awake and in the middle of a complex task, in the middle of the afternoon after a few coffees.......to suddenly collapsing into a state of unconsciousness???...not talking diabetes.....or visiting the inlaws. :b
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Some sound sleep science there mr R1....made me a little sleepy but im hanging on there. :D
But am i just tripping here or does sleep apnea only happen to people that sleep?
Or can you have awake apnea whereby you suddenly go from a state of being awake and in the middle of a complex task, in the middle of the afternoon after a few coffees.......to suddenly collapsing into a state of unconsciousness???...not talking diabetes.....or visiting the inlaws. :b
You mean Narcolepsy.
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also when/if you get diagnosed with SA you get advised to inform the DVLA by the hospital/doctors ...wich is down to you to do...in turn you will lose your licence for a year depending what you drive
But not if it's being successfully treated.
A friend uses a CPA machine which has "cured" his sleep apnoea and he's allowed to drive.
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But not if it's being successfully treated.
A friend uses a CPA machine which has "cured" his sleep apnoea and he's allowed to drive.
This is true actually ... I had just been reading about epilepsy and the DVLA for a friend ....made the comment before realising .
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Some sound sleep science there mr R1....made me a little sleepy but im hanging on there. :D
But am i just tripping here or does sleep apnea only happen to people that sleep?
Or can you have awake apnea whereby you suddenly go from a state of being awake and in the middle of a complex task, in the middle of the afternoon after a few coffees.......to suddenly collapsing into a state of unconsciousness???...not talking diabetes.....or visiting the inlaws. :b
(awake apnea) ...not as such ...BUT sleep apnea does have a knock on effect ...you can 'x' amount of 'apneas' every hour when asleep without realising it ...wich in turn makes you tired during the day.
complete pauses (apneas) in breathing that last at least 10 seconds during sleep. Most pauses last between 10 and 30 seconds, but some may persist for one minute or longer. This can lead to abrupt reductions in blood oxygen saturation, with oxygen levels falling as much as 40 percent or more in severe cases.
The brain responds to the lack of oxygen by alerting the body, causing a brief arousal from sleep that restores normal breathing. This pattern can occur hundreds of times in one night. The result is a fragmented quality of sleep that often produces an excessive level of daytime sleepiness.
Most people with OSA snore loudly and frequently, with periods of silence when airflow is reduced or blocked. They then make choking, snorting or gasping sounds when their airway reopens.
Mild OSA: AHI of 5-15
Involuntary sleepiness during activities that require little attention, such as watching TV or reading
Moderate OSA: AHI of 15-30
Involuntary sleepiness during activities that require some attention, such as meetings or presentations
Severe OSA: AHI of more than 30
Involuntary sleepiness during activities that require more active attention, such as talking or driving
Risk groups
People who are overweight (Body Mass Index of 25 to 29.9) and obese (Body Mass Index of 30 and above)
Men and women with large neck sizes: 17 inches or more for men, 16 inches or more for women
Middle-aged and older men, and post-menopausal women
there is a lot more to it than the above ..that's just a basic breakdown.
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This is pretty intersting actually.
When i've been my fattest then i really do snore allot.
A guy at work has it also, i think he uses oxygen at night time when he is sleeping, he is still allowed to drive.
But my original point stands though.........this guy had sleep Apnea.......but sleep Apnea didnt cause the crash.....falling asleep caused the crash......whether or not he was breathing while he was asleep doesnt really matter a foc because that's purely his own medical thingy.......he didnt have narcolepsy......it isnt like a medical condotion caused him to fall asleep.....him being a dick and staying awake too long and driving too far caused him to fall asleep.
Or am i maybe missing something?
Ref the epilepsy...i believe my wife has to be 1 year free from major fits and absences.....but allot of this is down to honesty because she could in theory just lie to her specialist doctor and say that she has been totally free and then blag a driving licence.....totally irresponsible and theres no way she would do that but im just saying......sge only sees the specialist once every 6 months.
Cancel all that.....im a dick......just read R1's post properly and i can now see that it also makes you sleepy whilst doing stuff when you are awake.
Ill get off my sop box now, learn something new every day. 8)
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My dad had Sleep Abnea - the OSA kinda
He used an oxygen mask thing at night which cured the issue and he was never instructed or advised not to drive
I mostly agree with Noggy though, this seems to be a case of the driver being a fucking dick. There isn't even any mention of an apology or signs of remorse...
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My dad had Sleep Abnea - the OSA kinda
He used an oxygen mask thing at night which cured the issue and he was never instructed or advised not to drive
I mostly agree with Noggy though, this seems to be a case of the driver being a fucking dick. There isn't even any mention of an apology or signs of remorse...
Hence the title......."Bastard!", and not in the sense of his parentage.
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Agreed ;)
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My Mrs was mis-diagnosed with epilepsy about 18 years ago meaning she got a 12 month medical ban. She didn't realise she was meant to tell DVLA at the time but was told she had to tell them before she started driving again.
Once again, 14 years ago she was told she had suffered a fit, the first for 4 years, and had to endure another 12 month ban.
Finally 3 years ago, having had the first fit for 11 years, they did some more tests and discovered a rare heart condition that just made her pass out due to lack of oxygen to the brain (some say she hasn't got a brain anyway). 6 month ban that time as they fitted an ICD but the doctor only told her that when she asked because of her past experience.
To summarise, the doctors don't always tell you and even when they do, they don't tell you the right information.
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I suffer from OSA and had to endure a 12 months without licence (2years ago), because at the time my neuroligist queried secondary epilepsy. After all the tests carried out proved normal and within the parameter a student nurse suggested OSA... An whadd'ya know... I have had my license back now.
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This has been interesting reading and maybe relevant to a friend who has recently been diagnosed with some form of this condition. He has also been told to loose some weight-he isnt in the seriously obese category but considered a bit over the "average" for his height/build/age.
He passed his direct access this year at the age of 52 and is looking to get his first "proper" bike-Fazer 600 looking good to him.
However, if he is told/legally obliged to report this diagnosis to DVLA-looks like a 12 month medical ban.
This got me thinking about the list of medical conditions that MUST be reported to DVLA Medical Branch-its a long list-check it out. Wonder how many would have their licences suspended/revoked if they were totally honest. :eek
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This has been interesting reading and maybe relevant to a friend who has recently been diagnosed with some form of this condition. He has also been told to loose some weight-he isnt in the seriously obese category but considered a bit over the "average" for his height/build/age.
He passed his direct access this year at the age of 52 and is looking to get his first "proper" bike-Fazer 600 looking good to him.
However, if he is told/legally obliged to report this diagnosis to DVLA-looks like a 12 month medical ban.
This got me thinking about the list of medical conditions that MUST be reported to DVLA Medical Branch-its a long list-check it out. Wonder how many would have their licences suspended/revoked if they were totally honest. :eek
Deja vu?
Didn't someone mention that before? :look
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Kin ell its a long list. Some of which make you think "What the fec has that got to do with the ability to drive?" To be fair though, the list isn't as long as it seems. Click on some of the links and they say you dont need to notify them. Why add them to the list then?
https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving (https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving)
Being non medical, I don't understand the difference with some of the conditions but aren't HIV and AIDS the same thing? Is so, why do you need to report one and not the other?