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General => General => Topic started by: maddog04 on 04 February 2015, 10:20:22 am
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good on yer
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Lets hope more countries follow suit, but I very much doubt it.
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Every convicted ISIS member being held in a country that still is sensible enough to carry out the death penalty must be crapping themselves. Call me a savage, seeing as oil is cheap, lets do like for like burn the bastards. Well done Jordan
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Jeez could you see the UK executing a failed ISIS suicide bomber, our government wouldn't even take her council house off her :\
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our government wouldn't even take her council house off her :\
More likely to give her a house and invite her family over too.
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It's about time someone grew a pair and stood up to these scumf**ks.
This planet needs to eradicated of these extremist psychopaths.
Fed up hearing these hemp wearing flag burners banging on about human rights pish. When you behave like an animal, you waiver your human rights as far as I'm concerned. Maybe if the hippies were getting shot at or set on fire they also would like to see ISIS being wiped out.
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our government wouldn't even take her council house off her :\
More likely to give her a house and invite her family over too.
Haha actually lol'd at these comments. ..
Radio 2 was discussing this the other day and they was talking about it been said to ban all media reporting on terrorist action ..
It obviously wouldn't be an easy process, but was done back in the IRA/Thatcher days ... Things these days wouldn't be quite so simple but it could work ...
Think it would actually make any difference though? ? I myself doubt it very much !!
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our government wouldn't even take her council house off her :\
More likely to give her a house and invite her family over too.
Perhaps we should start hanging all these would be Jihadists that are either leaving or returning to the Midlands from their terrorist training camp (or as they call it holiday in Turkey).
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More likely to give her a house and invite her family over too.
Maybe the UK should review it's funding of ISIS
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Hell of a statement UK government funding of ISIS, don't just say it, back it up with proof. If you cannot back it up and I mean show actual proof, not what you heard down the pub, :z shut the feck up.
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:lurk :D
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iraq-crisis-sunni-caliphate-has-been-bankrolled-by-saudi-arabia-9533396.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iraq-crisis-sunni-caliphate-has-been-bankrolled-by-saudi-arabia-9533396.html)
You should read up a little on Wahhabism Lew.
Our good friends the Saudi's are spreading this ideology around the globe.
So in other words when we do business with Saudi Arabia we are doing business with the people who fund The Taliban, ISIS etc etc.
Then we send our soldiers off to fight and die fighting those we have created or funded.
Chopping off a few heads in Jordan. Oh yeah that'll sort of em all out - eh?
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When I 1st saw this topic I thought what has Katie Price done now!! :lol
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When I 1st saw this topic I thought what has Katie Price done now!! :lol
Well, there are quite a few tits on this forum! :)
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[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iraq-crisis-sunni-caliphate-has-been-bankrolled-by-saudi-arabia-9533396.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iraq-crisis-sunni-caliphate-has-been-bankrolled-by-saudi-arabia-9533396.html[/url])
You should read up a little on Wahhabism Lew.
Our good friends the Saudi's are spreading this ideology around the globe.
So in other words when we do business with Saudi Arabia we are doing business with the people who fund The Taliban, ISIS etc etc.
Then we send our soldiers off to fight and die fighting those we have created or funded.
Chopping off a few heads in Jordan. Oh yeah that'll sort of em all out - eh?
That's a bit like saying America funded the IRA. Its probably true that some funding came from within America.
At the end of that article you will find this.
In a number of articles in June we made reference to funding for the terrorist organisation Isis having been channelled to the group from Saudi Arabia. The Saudi Embassy has asked us to make clear that the position of the Saudi Arabian government is unequivocal condemnation of the actions of Isis and its members and that the Kingdom has taken positive action to discourage any private funding or support for Isis or other extremists by Saudi citizens for ISIS. Since March 2014 the Saudi government has blacklisted religious extremist groups in the Kingdom, criminalising affiliation to, or participation in the activities of, organisations such as Isis. (Statement added 23/9/14)
Now whether you believe that is another matter. Have they prosecuted anyone?
ps No sanctions against Saudi Arabia. If they were totally behind IS do you think everyone would still trade with them?
http://www.bscn.nl/sanctions-consulting/sanctions-list-countries (http://www.bscn.nl/sanctions-consulting/sanctions-list-countries)
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Every convicted ISIS member being held in a country that still is sensible enough to carry out the death penalty must be crapping themselves. Call me a savage, seeing as oil is cheap, lets do like for like burn the bastards. Well done Jordan
Agreed......
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I live in wales, we used to have collection boxes in one pub on a Friday , :lol
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So copied and pasted an article from the Independent. I did not read anything in that article that said the UK is funding ISIS.
VNA, you said maybe the UK should review it's funding of ISIS.
So we trade with Saudi Arabia, we also trade with North Korea, Russia and every other fecker. Sadly it is how the world of business works, I may not like you but I have to trade with you sad but true.
If you are saying that by trading with the Saudi's we are assisting Saudi funding of ISIS then I suppose we are along with every other nation that buys oil from Saudi, so do not just point the finger at the UK and say it is all our fault.
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Perfectly okay for Christian Kings to go and massacre Muslims in far off countries during the middle ages and call it a crusade. Or to denounce pagan god, spread rumours about voodoo or depose indigenous people in other places. When will we learn that everyone is as bad as each other, it's just a matter of the historical time line.
I agree that their crimes are abhorrent, but an eye for an eye simply doesn't work. Nothing seems to, it only makes their resolve stronger. All that will happen is that IS will say they died for the cause and dub them martyrs.
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I'm all for that sooner they are all fecking martyrs the better.
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I know a guy that disappears every 6 months :rolleyes
told me that when the enemy runs outta bullets, they stand up and start shouting to allah..........he says if they want to meet allah then he'll help them on their way....bang bang
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Isis are the guys that throw gays off tall buildings for being gay but say its fine to marry a NINE YEAR OLD girl as well as enslaving Yazidi and Christian minority women after exterminating the men and boys (all of them were unarmed - naturally) it's also ok burning helpless prisoners alive in addition to beheading a volunteer aid worker just because he was a white christian. Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........ They need stopping - NOW. Hope the Jordanians take no prisoners.
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Isis are the guys that throw gays off tall buildings for being gay but say its fine to marry a NINE YEAR OLD girl as well as enslaving Yazidi and Christian minority women after exterminating the men and boys (all of them were unarmed - naturally) it's also ok burning helpless prisoners alive in addition to beheading a volunteer aid worker just because he was a white christian. Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........ They need stopping - NOW. Hope the Jordanians take no prisoners.
:guitar :guitar playing my tune there fazed could not agree more.
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Now whether you believe that is another matter.
One word Phil - No.
I would ask you this, seeing as Isis have millions, many many millions, well they are cash rich, you might want to consider where that money is coming from. A simple google search will give you some clues. They are seriously well funded. And I think you will find that it is our allies that fund ISIS.
I agree that their crimes are abhorrent, but an eye for an eye simply doesn't work. Nothing seems to, it only makes their resolve stronger. All that will happen is that IS will say they died for the cause and dub them martyrs.
ISIS are doing the running here, and they have plenty of funding. Totally agree risticuss.
Jordan needed to ask - what does ISIS want us to do - how do they wish us to react. I would suggest that Jordan reacted and acted exactly as ISIS wished them to.
Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........
I feel a Godwin's law moment may almost be upon us. But fazed I think that was attempted, failed and 5 million Jews were exterminated along with disable folks, Roma, gays and others, not to mention a word war.
Lew,
I don't think you will find many journalists with a better understanding of the Middle East than Robert Fisk. Patrick Cockburn (who also writes for the Indy) is another. To my surprise newsnight last night had Patrick on to discuss ISIS.
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You stated the UK needs to review it's funding, implying the UK Goverment openly fund ISIS then you post a quote from a newspaper as your proof.
I assume you do realise that these ISIS guys will quite happily chop your head off for absolutly no reason at all. They are not playing with a full deck.
Heaven forbid if they actually comit an atrocity in Israel, Jordan has responded and acted basically you do 1 of ours we will do 2 of yours. If they hit the Israel hard stand by for Gulf war 3 because the Israelis will not fanny about.
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You stated the UK needs to review it's funding, implying the UK Goverment openly fund ISIS then you post a quote from a newspaper as your proof.
The UK government is well aware of how ISIS is funded.
It was not that long ago that David Cameron was meeting with Sheikh Tamin bin Hamad al-Thani, The Emir of Qatar to - it is reported - beg him to stop funding ISIS.
Follow the money Lew and you will find the funders. They are pretty much all allies of ours.
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Bring out the Nukes...that's what i'm saying......lets see them tweet whilst being vapourised.........the only thing that'll be tweeting is a radioactive Chafinch 8000 miles away the shower of absolute vermin.
I couldnt give 2 monkeys shits who did what or when they did it or what history book i can read it in..........they're out of order.
If they cant be nuked then i suggest a conventional onslaught including cluster bombs & Napalm & bayonets & flamethrowers.
Why dont we stop pissing about.
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noggythenog,
I couldnt give 2 monkeys shits who did what or when they did it or what history book i can read it in..........they're out of order.
Well that's helpful. So you openly admit you don't have a clue about any of this, which clearly you don't;
If they cant be nuked then i suggest a conventional onslaught including cluster bombs & Napalm & bayonets & flamethrowers.
I think we did all that in Iraq, which is of course why we are where we are.
So perhaps you can explain to us how exactly your bone heid, illegal and immoral suggestions for action would help?
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Bring out the Nukes...that's what i'm saying......lets see them tweet whilst being vapourised.........the only thing that'll be tweeting is a radioactive Chafinch 8000 miles away the shower of absolute vermin.
I couldnt give 2 monkeys shits who did what or when they did it or what history book i can read it in..........they're out of order.
If they cant be nuked then i suggest a conventional onslaught including cluster bombs & Napalm & bayonets & flamethrowers.
Why dont we stop pissing about.
I think noggy is speaking from the heart and saying what most of us are thinking. So, vna, what would you suggest?
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I wish I was an expert on everything!!!!!!! :rolleyes :rolleyes
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I was thinking much the same. If you give money to someone who claims to be penniless and they then go and spend that money on booze and fags, is it your fault? If a country gives money to another country and they then give some of it to support a terrorist group, is that your fault? If the recipient had been open about where some of the money was going to go maybe you wouldn't have given it but you yourself can't be accused of supporting the terrorist group.
There is only one language they understand. You can't negotiate and quote the Geneva Convention with an organisation that kidnaps a journalist, asks for 200 million dollars ransom and then publicly executes that journalist, and post video of it on the internet, because the ransom isn't paid. Same goes for burning alive what is effectively a prisoner of war, it isn't warfare, it's barbarism. Fuck the rules of warfare, give as good as they give.
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I was thinking much the same. If you give money to someone who claims to be penniless and they then go and spend that money on booze and fags, is it your fault? If a country gives money to another country and they then give some of it to support a terrorist group, is that your fault? If the recipient had been open about where some of the money was going to go maybe you wouldn't have given it but you yourself can't be accused of supporting the terrorist group.
There is only one language they understand. You can't negotiate and quote the Geneva Convention with an organisation that kidnaps a journalist, asks for 200 million dollars ransom and then publicly executes that journalist, and post video of it on the internet, because the ransom isn't paid. Same goes for burning alive what is effectively a prisoner of war, it isn't warfare, it's barbarism. Fuck the rules of warfare, give as good as they give.
Only way to win terrorise the terriosts,
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So, vna, what would you suggest?
Usually I'm reasonably up to date on these things.
Just now I'm looking at my 5th week off sick with stress. Got two parents with dementia, who have stubbornly refused help and as I knew would eventually happen - well the wheels have fallen off. So since December my life has been pretty hellish to say the least. Add in an incompetent solicitor, a until now silent sibling butting in, a crap POA document, both parents going down one after the other with a virus..... and well I could go on and on.
So I'm behind the curve on this.
But I would say we are paying the price of arrogant and incompetent foreign policy spanning the last 60 years or so.
What we do have is huge influence over Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and the other Wahhabist Sunni states. We need to stop them and their buddies funding ISIS. Follow the money that is what is happening.
We also have to deal with the biggest evil first - ISIS. We are correct about one thing - they are out of control. We made a mistake in not backing Assad, and a big mistake in supporting the ISIS influenced rebels that opposed him. We need to open diplomatic channels with Iran (we can see that happening already). We need to start talking to Putin. Putin rightly backed Assad along with their ally Iran.
Israel. It's about time we exercised our influence over Israel. This seems impossible as the USA seems incapable of standing up to Israel. But we have a moral obligation to limited our trade with Israel. It's about time we refused to sell or maintain any Israeli military equipment for a start. We can influence them without the USA, as the USA is Israel's only steadfast ally.
But sorry I haven't read a newspaper in about two months. I'm way behind the curve now.
If you do want to understand what is happening you could do a lot worse than reading Robert Fisk's and Patrick Cockburn's reports (or books) - they are two of the foremost journalistic experts in the world on these matters.
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Only way to win terrorise the terriosts,
Which is exactly what ISIS want you to do.
That's a fail Lew.
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Forget iraq people...just forget it.........yes we focced up & yes it was wrong......lets move on.......lets not base every sexual relationship we have on the one fumble we had down some ugly girls pants when we were 16.
It is fashionable right now to be slating our own governments, our pasts, our armies ....all dick heads.......oh lets slate them and and the intelligence agencies....nasty nasty hisssss.........well hang on a minute......who said we were free in the first place?......are there seriously a breed of people out there that think that they're free in every sense.........this aint Braveheart ffs.
Slating the mighty USA.......oh nasty nasty USA.........lets attack those idiots.........not so idiotic that they're doing so well though & supporting the UK & providing us with our big dicked sense of security in this world that we really have almost zero clout in.
As far as i can see the US wears its heart on its sleeve and we used to before we started being a bunch o fannies that think we're free like a butterfly.
I can see a whole nation of people hiding in their houses and glued to their computers viewing anti everything shite................totally content while they are slaughted......right or wrong....they wont even get that consideration.
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I love Jordan
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:lurk
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Only way to win terrorise the terriosts,
Which is exactly what ISIS want you to do.
That's a fail Lew.
How is it a fail VNA , why did you think the IRA came to the table?? The security forces in N Ireland eventually took the gloves off. In what way you may ask?? they started leaking information to the other bunch of arseholes and the result of that was that quite a few of the IRA top boys got whacked , and that is not something I just made up.
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Forget iraq people...just forget it.........yes we focced up & yes it was wrong......lets move on.
Oh yes it was wrong. And let us not forget that Saddam was our man.
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/ (https://www.iraqbodycount.org/)
Population of Iraq - approx 33 million.
Documented civilian deaths from violence since 2003 following allied illegal invasion - 135,000 - 152,000 Refugees - ???? A million - a few million - who knows?
noggythenog - move on?
Turn it round noggy, if the UK had suffered what Iraq has suffered in recent years, would you just wanna move on....................
I think not.
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I wish I was an expert on everything!!!!!!! :rolleyes :rolleyes
Hahahahahahaha :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol , Perfect quote :D
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Why is it that those that follow relegion seem to be the folk that are least happy?
We have the radical muslims who want to chop everyones head off at the drop of a hat.
The Anglican church are beating themselves up because we now have female bishops
The Jews in the UK do not feel safe here now so a few are starting to leave. The rise in anti semitism has nothing to do with the hard hitting tactics adopted in Gaza.
The Catholic church is in denial about mistreating orphan children in some of the church run care homes.
Even our own political masters are trying to sweep the dirt under the carpet concerning child abuse.
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Why is it that those that follow relegion seem to be the folk that are least happy?
We have the radical muslims who want to chop everyones head off at the drop of a hat.
The Anglican church are beating themselves up because we now have female bishops
The Jews in the UK do not feel safe here now so a few are starting to leave. The rise in anti semitism has nothing to do with the hard hitting tactics adopted in Gaza.
The Catholic church is in denial about mistreating orphan children in some of the church run care homes.
Even our own political masters are trying to sweep the dirt under the carpet concerning child abuse.
I decided at a young age that religion certainly wasn't for me, and the older I get the more bemused and irritated I get by it.
These days I just can't even stand the mention of it, it just gets right on my nerves. :grumble
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I'm with darrsi on this one, I just don't personally get religion... I generally have no issues with someone being religious as long as they accept that I'm not and don't try to change my beliefs as I don't try to change their's
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got collared by the god squad out walking one day, he turned to walk with me and rather than just telling him to FO, I thought I'd humour him and go with the flow......half way through him telling me out great God was and asking why I didn't worship.....I told him I couldn't follow any God who strikes poor innocent children down with cancer and the likes....
he told me it was the mothers fault coz they probably smoked.........I was actually dumbstruck for a nano second whilst I asked myself if I'd heard him right
cue end of chat and he was told to go away
my mrs went bananas when I told her what he'd insinuated
it seems they're all twisted, doesn't matter what walk of life they're from. I'm with darrsi........they're welcome to it but don't fuckin preach it to me coz I ain't interested BIG TIME
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I got my house black listed by the Jehovah witness, instead of shutting the door I stood talking and it was me that would not let THEM go, I talked about aliens being the god and when they smirked at that I said you think that strange but that is just how you sound to me. A few years past by and I was out the front and they came along and I asked why dont you knock any more and I was told they put me on a "no call list" after that.
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Isis are the guys that throw gays off tall buildings for being gay but say its fine to marry a NINE YEAR OLD girl as well as enslaving Yazidi and Christian minority women after exterminating the men and boys (all of them were unarmed - naturally) it's also ok burning helpless prisoners alive in addition to beheading a volunteer aid worker just because he was a white christian. Religious Nazis can be negotiated with........ They need stopping - NOW. Hope the Jordanians take no prisoners.
Agreed.....totally
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I got my house black listed by the Jehovah witness, instead of shutting the door I stood talking and it was me that would not let THEM go, I talked about aliens being the god and when they smirked at that I said you think that strange but that is just how you sound to me. A few years past by and I was out the front and they came along and I asked why dont you knock any more and I was told they put me on a "no call list" after that.
I totally believe you! :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Why is it that those that follow relegion seem to be the folk that are least happy?
We have the radical muslims who want to chop everyones head off at the drop of a hat.
The Anglican church are beating themselves up because we now have female bishops
The Jews in the UK do not feel safe here now so a few are starting to leave. The rise in anti semitism has nothing to do with the hard hitting tactics adopted in Gaza.
The Catholic church is in denial about mistreating orphan children in some of the church run care homes.
Even our own political masters are trying to sweep the dirt under the carpet concerning child abuse.
I decided at a young age that religion certainly wasn't for me, and the older I get the more bemused and irritated I get by it.
These days I just can't even stand the mention of it, it just gets right on my nerves. :grumble
I'm the same, life would be a lot easier if there was no religion....
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Why is it that those that follow relegion seem to be the folk that are least happy?
We have the radical muslims who want to chop everyones head off at the drop of a hat.
The Anglican church are beating themselves up because we now have female bishops
The Jews in the UK do not feel safe here now so a few are starting to leave. The rise in anti semitism has nothing to do with the hard hitting tactics adopted in Gaza.
The Catholic church is in denial about mistreating orphan children in some of the church run care homes.
Even our own political masters are trying to sweep the dirt under the carpet concerning child abuse.
I decided at a young age that religion certainly wasn't for me, and the older I get the more bemused and irritated I get by it.
These days I just can't even stand the mention of it, it just gets right on my nerves. :grumble
I'm the same, life would be a lot easier if there was no religion....
Amen to that. :rollin
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Last year at work we had a project that involved pairing up office workers with engineers so we could give them an insight into what life was like in the real world. One day I got paired up with a guy who was well known as a God botherer of some description and I was warned that he might try to convert me. The whole day passed with no mention at all until he turned round to me, out of the blue, and asked, "Are you religious?". I told him I wasn't, had no interest in becoming religious and couldn't understand why anyone allowed themselves to be brainwashed into believing everything they are told without being able to prove it. He then started to try to explain it so I stopped him and said, "Let's just suppose that I have an invisible monkey that sits on my shoulder, watches everything I do and whispers in my ear telling me what decisions I should make and how I should live my life. He's completely invisible, only I can see or hear him and nobody else can. You'd probably think I was a nutter right? Now you tell me what the difference is between my invisible monkey and your God?" He never said a word and religion wasn't mentioned to anyone for the whole month of the project.
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Last year at work we had a project that involved pairing up office workers with engineers so we could give them an insight into what life was like in the real world. One day I got paired up with a guy who was well known as a God botherer of some description and I was warned that he might try to convert me. The whole day passed with no mention at all until he turned round to me, out of the blue, and asked, "Are you religious?". I told him I wasn't, had no interest in becoming religious and couldn't understand why anyone allowed themselves to be brainwashed into believing everything they are told without being able to prove it. He then started to try to explain it so I stopped him and said, "Let's just suppose that I have an invisible monkey that sits on my shoulder, watches everything I do and whispers in my ear telling me what decisions I should make and how I should live my life. He's completely invisible, only I can see or hear him and nobody else can. You'd probably think I was a nutter right? Now you tell me what the difference is between my invisible monkey and your God?" He never said a word and religion wasn't mentioned to anyone for the whole month of the project.
Brilliant.......although I have used something like that in the past.......kids get rows off their mums n dads for having imaginary friends..... :lol
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Last year at work we had a project that involved pairing up office workers with engineers so we could give them an insight into what life was like in the real world. One day I got paired up with a guy who was well known as a God botherer of some description and I was warned that he might try to convert me. The whole day passed with no mention at all until he turned round to me, out of the blue, and asked, "Are you religious?". I told him I wasn't, had no interest in becoming religious and couldn't understand why anyone allowed themselves to be brainwashed into believing everything they are told without being able to prove it. He then started to try to explain it so I stopped him and said, "Let's just suppose that I have an invisible monkey that sits on my shoulder, watches everything I do and whispers in my ear telling me what decisions I should make and how I should live my life. He's completely invisible, only I can see or hear him and nobody else can. You'd probably think I was a nutter right? Now you tell me what the difference is between my invisible monkey and your God?" He never said a word and religion wasn't mentioned to anyone for the whole month of the project.
You have an invisible monkey?
Coooooool. :lol
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So, vna, what would you suggest?
Usually I'm reasonably up to date on these things.
Just now I'm looking at my 5th week off sick with stress. Got two parents with dementia, who have stubbornly refused help and as I knew would eventually happen - well the wheels have fallen off. So since December my life has been pretty hellish to say the least. Add in an incompetent solicitor, a until now silent sibling butting in, a crap POA document, both parents going down one after the other with a virus..... and well I could go on and on.
So I'm behind the curve on this.
But I would say we are paying the price of arrogant and incompetent foreign policy spanning the last 60 years or so.
What we do have is huge influence over Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait and the other Wahhabist Sunni states. We need to stop them and their buddies funding ISIS. Follow the money that is what is happening.
We also have to deal with the biggest evil first - ISIS. We are correct about one thing - they are out of control. We made a mistake in not backing Assad, and a big mistake in supporting the ISIS influenced rebels that opposed him. We need to open diplomatic channels with Iran (we can see that happening already). We need to start talking to Putin. Putin rightly backed Assad along with their ally Iran.
Israel. It's about time we exercised our influence over Israel. This seems impossible as the USA seems incapable of standing up to Israel. But we have a moral obligation to limited our trade with Israel. It's about time we refused to sell or maintain any Israeli military equipment for a start. We can influence them without the USA, as the USA is Israel's only steadfast ally.
But sorry I haven't read a newspaper in about two months. I'm way behind the curve now.
If you do want to understand what is happening you could do a lot worse than reading Robert Fisk's and Patrick Cockburn's reports (or books) - they are two of the foremost journalistic experts in the world on these matters.
I don't dare challenge the focers here, but this post is 100% true.
While ordinary western citizen feels no responsibility (rightly too) for what is going in Middle East, it would be disingenuous to think it has nothing with to do with the Governments and industries they supported and were benefiting from. It is NOT wrong to act in self interest - which is what most people do anyway, so Governments are just reflection of this - how it does not mean you can wash your hands off this and say "oh look at those crazies, why are they like that"!!
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152897401237931 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152897401237931)
On a lighter note , hahahhhahaa. Hope the link is available , bet these guys were not singing after the final whistle.
Bet there was no chance of getting a cup of tea and a pork pie at half time (Liverpool 3 v 2 Spurs)
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super Mario......worth every penny :lol
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So far that has cost LFC £8 million per goal, and that is not including his wages , waste of space that clown.
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could be worse lew, we could have lukaku (£27M) :eek
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could be worse lew, we could have lukaku (£27M) :eek
Certainly not the player he was last season, him or Mirrelless. Even though I am a red I always like to see the blue half doing well. Thought they were going to sneak a point last night, did not deserve one but thought they defended well