So who would you ban from using the NHS?

[Streetbudgie]

In an effort to get this debate off the protective clothing thread which has nothing to do with banning people from the NHS I thought I'd ask the question:

Who would you ban from using the NHS?

My list is below

Anyone who is a non UK resident
Anyone requiring cosmetic surgery for vanity reasons only - this DOES NOT include reconstructive surgery

Pretty much that's it, I'd like to add smokers, obese people, the feckless, the people who have been in the country 5 minutes but have UK residency BUT... I can't, morally everyone is entitled to treatment, I can only justify refusal on the two grounds above, when I travel I have insurance, when I wanted my teeth sorted I paid out of my own pocket - I lead by example.

[dBfazer600]

Everyone and lets tax em for it and while we are at it make sure you have the correct amount of private insurence to cover your illness.
 
Daz

[noggythenog]

Ok


Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.

[dBfazer600]

Ok


Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.

Does that includes the reclassification of all the disabled?

[Streetbudgie]

Ok Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.

Take your point but that's got to be hard to judge and who would judge it?

Personally if there's nothing wrong with you then you should work or get nothing, if there's something wrong with you, you might be able to do some work but not all work.

Difficult one to get right, but I kind of agree but morally I wouldn't want to do the judging.

[caretaker]

fat people, smokers, druggies, english, the list is endless..

[noggythenog]

Ok


Anyone who has never worked for 10 years or more, whom could have worked.

Does that includes the reclassification of all the disabled?

Well not with any government as they cant be trusted, im just talkin like if i was dictator in charge thats what id do & id try allot harder to weed out all the pretend disabled crew whom i know of many from back home.the rest of the country would be in a state though but hey whats the difference


But im really just talking about bums, with no injuries or conditions, folk who sit around on the xbox gettin wasted & have sky tv, lotsof whom havent been put through enough risk to become disabled as they dont actually do anything.


The disabled aside, i was thinking 5 years but then i thought about some folk would be wrongly judged in that time span & they could just be having a bad run.but 10 years now come on, is there any excuse for that.

[Chillum]

People who are so fat they can't walk, so how the FOC do they get all the grub they shove down their globulous necks?

The fact that there are now special ambulances for these fat sacks makes my blood boil - just leave them where they are. In fact, throw in a couple of dozen moggies and shut the house up for a couple of weeks.

[richfzs]

People who are so fat they can't walk, so how the FOC do they get all the grub they shove down their globulous necks?

Because their "nearest and dearest" keep going to KFC and bringing home 7 bargain buckets a day. "But they get grumpy/sulky/angry/depressed if they don't eat so much" is the excuse - bollox, says I, those people are bordering on being guilty of abuse.

[mtread]

Anyone who is a non UK resident

So that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?

[dBfazer600]

This makes interesting reading but fast track to fig 6 and that is where the real delema sits for 2010/11.
 
http://www.nhsconfed.org/Publications/Documents/Tough-times-overview-finances.pdf
 
Top three are in order of highest cost:

1 Mental Health disorders
2 Problems of cerculation
3 Cancers and Tumers
 
In my profession all three can be put down to old age ailments with dementia been the main problem. This old age causes a boomerang effect of in and out of hospital and trust me I is not a doctor but trying to rehabilitate everyone that I have come across its the 65+ that are the drain on the NHS none of what has been stated hear.
 
The move to care and treat people in their homes is not only real but happens and having to pursade doctors that some one is to ill to be out of hospital does not go down well and needs a diplomatic approch.
 
So who do you really want to ban from the NHS? A scape goat or the real reason for its rising expenditure.
 
Daz

[noggythenog]

Anyone who is a non UK resident

So that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?

I'd have to legislate for that.


If i knew what legislate meant.


Hadnt thought about any of that though, hmm i'd have to hiree some people to find out about it, all friends & family of course.


Edit-shit i thought you talking about my employed people idea, equally applicable though

[fireblake]

Anyone who is a non UK resident

So that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?

The thing is, bloody insurance. If I travel I have it and so should any visitors. I think everyone should be treated but they should have their DNA taken and then actively sought out to pay. If they try to abscond then that DNA goes on a bad debtors data base. Big brother anybody?


Mickey

[evesdad]

People who are so fat they can't walk, so how the FOC do they get all the grub they shove down their globulous necks?

The fact that there are now special ambulances for these fat sacks makes my blood boil - just leave them where they are. In fact, throw in a couple of dozen moggies and shut the house up for a couple of weeks.

Had occasion to visit my local hospital lately, got to say most of the staff there themselves looked too fat to walk never mind care for anyone else

[Raymy]

Difficult one to get right, but I kind of agree but morally I wouldn't want to do the judging.

Why stop here, you were doing it so well elsewhere

[Razgruff]

Funney this should come up on here.

And this come my way a few days ago


https://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/uk-government-launches-legal-review-of-assisted-suicide-in-bid-to-end-longevity-trap/


make sure you read the very last line.
But with the Tories Net contributor thing they bang on about, how long before living too long would make you a Net loss.

As a biker I wouldn't deny anybody health care, coz if you start that chit how long before we as bikers have to carry extra health care insurance because we don't travel in a safety cage, had that chit when I was a courier with life insurance policies, coz it was regarded as a dangerous occupation along with scaffolders and many other jobs.
And how long would it be before we  start regarding those born with a disability as a liability, If they require life long care, would we start treating human life as a farmer treats livestock, financial outlay of medical treatment not outweighed by the Net gains.

[dBfazer600]

Basicaly this guy or gal is focced when it comes to nhs treatment 
 

Details Thats it I is focced, no helmet, armour and I is fat

Thats it I is focced, no helmet, armour and I is fat

 
Daz

[Raymy]

Its a sad day when we even give serious credence to the idea of banning people from the NHS.

Cos we're all so fucking special aren't we?

[noggythenog]

Basicaly this guy or gal is focced when it comes to nhs treatment 
 

Details Thats it I is focced, no helmet, armour and I is fat

Thats it I is focced, no helmet, armour and I is fat

 
Daz

  Foc this nanny state i cant go anywhere without being on cctv!!!

[Streetbudgie]

Anyone who is a non UK resident

So that means no A&E for foreign bikers touring over here then ?

Beyond patch up and stabilize no, same rules as I have when I go abroad.

[mtread]

Beyond patch up and stabilize no, same rules as I have when I go abroad.

So, no pain medication, no resetting of fractures, no blood transfusion? Nothing expensive then. Just tape over the holes and send you home?
I think you get a bit more than that in the EU, so why shouldn't we give the same back ?

[slimwilly]

Scottish people,not permanently , just for a while to see how much can be saved.

[BBROWN1664]

Non-UK taxpayers would be the first place to start followed by people who don't but could work.

I would also reclassify self inflicted disabled people (fat foccers who ate themselves there) as non-disabled and remove all their perks like motability cars.

Smokers deserve private rooms for the amount they put into the NHS funds through taxation as do drinkers and motorists.

[Streetbudgie]

Beyond patch up and stabilize no, same rules as I have when I go abroad.

So, no pain medication, no resetting of fractures, no blood transfusion? Nothing expensive then. Just tape over the holes and send you home?
I think you get a bit more than that in the EU, so why shouldn't we give the same back ?

That is patch up and stabilize 

[Streetbudgie]

Smokers deserve private rooms for the amount they put into the NHS funds through taxation as do drinkers and motorists.

Wish that were true, sadly tax from fags and booze does not find its way into the NHS exclusively.

If that were true any tax on fatty foods should be included as well, again it would only end up further bolstering the ridiculous amounts this country gives away every day.