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Title: Omg road tax
Post by: ddtwelve on 09 May 2013, 05:41:58 pm
just had my roadtax reminder £78.00 nearly as expensive as my car :eek
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chris on 09 May 2013, 05:52:55 pm
Wow, that's £58 more than my car!  :eek
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: bri h on 09 May 2013, 06:03:57 pm
Its like the normans have landed a gain.  Theres no tax they wont increase and no benefit they wint cut
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: bri h on 09 May 2013, 06:05:40 pm
Edit the above thyve cut tax for the highest earners!.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: stevierst on 09 May 2013, 06:25:18 pm
just had my roadtax reminder £78.00 nearly as expensive as my car :eek
Just had mine through too, nearly sh@ meself!

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Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 06:29:09 pm
That'll teach you to have big ass engines ;-)


£57  :lol
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 May 2013, 06:31:06 pm
Just bought a tax disc for my car.  260 quid!
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: NotAnotherHill on 09 May 2013, 07:00:57 pm
Tax renewal forms to both my Fazer and Fireblade landed on the door mat yesterday. Looks like I'll have to sell one of the kids. Still, get the priorities right.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 07:32:53 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Rebuilt on 09 May 2013, 07:35:11 pm
Same ... the shocl of £78 for a year ... and as above not for the roads here ... wonder how many corupt govournment pockets is lined with it instead   :evil
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 07:37:01 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: noggythenog on 09 May 2013, 07:40:11 pm
My car is zero tax  :D


It is also zero fun! :(




Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: locksmith on 09 May 2013, 07:43:32 pm
just had my roadtax reminder £78.00 nearly as expensive as my car :eek

Get yourself a proper car then it won't even get close :lol
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Gnasher on 09 May 2013, 07:55:55 pm
Wow, that's £58 more than my car!  :eek 


Its £58 more than your car as all these cheap or zero tax cars are having there short fall made up by bikes and older/higher emission cars, where I can see the logic in the car side of it I can't for bikes.  There is now no real differential in having two wheels and smaller engine as against four and bigger engine plus there are no co2 banding levels for bikes that I know of, it's just a treasury giving with one hand taking with the other rip off.     
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Grahamm on 09 May 2013, 08:14:49 pm
vehicle road use tax

No, it's not because you pay it whether you use the roads or not even if your vehicle is *off* the road (unless you SORN) and you don't pay for how much you use the roads.

It is a tax on your ownership of a vehicle, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Dead Eye on 09 May 2013, 08:32:16 pm
Wow, that's £58 more than my car!  :eek

Holy crap! I wish!

I just forked out £280.00 for my car  :'(
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 08:39:53 pm
vehicle road use tax

No, it's not because you pay it whether you use the roads or not even if your vehicle is *off* the road (unless you SORN) and you don't pay for how much you use the roads.

It is a tax on your ownership of a vehicle, pure and simple.
You want to use the road, you pay the tax or you can't.  That is road tax.  You don't use your vehicle on the road you don't have to pay it.  If you don't intend to use the road you declare sorn, you don't declare sorn then you intend to use the road. not tax on owning the vehicle as you can own the vehicle and not use the road.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: ddtwelve on 09 May 2013, 08:43:06 pm
£180 for the car £16 for my girlfriends bike  :eek
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chillum on 09 May 2013, 09:33:22 pm
Tax renewal forms to both my Fazer and Fireblade landed on the door mat yesterday. Looks like I'll have to sell one of the kids. Still, get the priorities right.

Couldn't you just sell one of their kidneys just to tide you over?
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 10:11:42 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))

Try the DVLA for an accurate description, it is described as vehicle tax not road tax, as I stated it hasn't been road tax for some years when it was known as Road Fund License.

Wiki is quite frequently wrong.

While it's quite flattering having you follow me around trying to correct every post I make, it is getting a bit silly, especially as you are so consistently wrong.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chris on 09 May 2013, 10:13:09 pm
Wow, that's £58 more than my car!  :eek

Holy crap! I wish!

I just forked out £280.00 for my car  :'(

The main reason I have a small car (2004 ford fiesta 1.4TDCi £20 a year road tax) is because I am trying to save money. I was driving an Audi A4 2.0 petrol sport for the last couple of years but the road tax at £265ish a year and the fuel bills were just stupid. The fiesta is dull but for now it's the way it has to be. Just filled it up today £56 and I'd done just over 500 miles. The bike is for fun for me so it does seem stupid that the road tax for my bike is about £60. £40 more than the car I use almost every day.  :rolleyes
 
Chirs
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 10:21:15 pm
Of course the ridiculous thing is that I pay £0 for 12 months vehicle tax on my classic bike and even better than that, two mate have classic cars and also pay £0 for their vehicle tax/

One is a 3.0 Capri and the other has a MK1 Lotus Cortina and a Corsair with a transplanted modernish V8 engine with pretty much just the original bodywork left!

Gas guzzlers indeed yet their VED is free - work that one out!
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: pilgrim on 09 May 2013, 10:22:17 pm
How much is the tax on a twelve year old car that does 160mph and 0-60 in a little over 3 seconds?
Bet its a lot more than 78 quid. :b
I think its a bit of a bargain really. The wifes 2012 1.4 Fiesta Zetec is more than that, and BORING as fuck to drive. Goes round corners ok though. :evil
Dont tell her that though, she'll call me a 'mad lad'.
 
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 10:26:34 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))

Try the DVLA for an accurate description, it is described as vehicle tax not road tax, as I stated it hasn't been road tax for some years when it was known as Road Fund License.

Wiki is quite frequently wrong.

While it's quite flattering having you follow me around trying to correct every post I make, it is getting a bit silly, especially as you are so consistently wrong.
Hilarious. :rollin being pedantic about wording doesn't stop tax being tax.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Dead Eye on 09 May 2013, 10:33:17 pm
Of course the ridiculous thing is that I pay £0 for 12 months vehicle tax on my classic bike and even better than that, two mate have classic cars and also pay £0 for their vehicle tax/

One is a 3.0 Capri and the other has a MK1 Lotus Cortina and a Corsair with a transplanted modernish V8 engine with pretty much just the original bodywork left!

Gas guzzlers indeed yet their VED is free - work that one out!

Quite like the Ford Capri, stock or modified? Pics ftw :D
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 10:35:59 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))

Try the DVLA for an accurate description, it is described as vehicle tax not road tax, as I stated it hasn't been road tax for some years when it was known as Road Fund License.

Wiki is quite frequently wrong.

While it's quite flattering having you follow me around trying to correct every post I make, it is getting a bit silly, especially as you are so consistently wrong.
Hilarious. :rollin being pedantic about wording doesn't stop tax being tax.

And where did I say it's not a tax?

Once again in your mission to correct me you have made yourself look silly, I said it's not ROAD tax, it is Vehicle Excise Duty - in that it ain't spent on the roads.

Please go away now and obsess about someone else, I'm bored with you.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 10:39:55 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))

Try the DVLA for an accurate description, it is described as vehicle tax not road tax, as I stated it hasn't been road tax for some years when it was known as Road Fund License.

Wiki is quite frequently wrong.

While it's quite flattering having you follow me around trying to correct every post I make, it is getting a bit silly, especially as you are so consistently wrong.
Hilarious. :rollin being pedantic about wording doesn't stop tax being tax.

And where did I say it's not a tax?

Once again in your mission to correct me you have made yourself look silly, I said it's not ROAD tax, it is Vehicle Excise Duty - in that it ain't spent on the roads.

Please go away now and obsess about someone else, I'm bored with you.
Stop talking then.  You're the one continuing to blather on.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 10:40:18 pm
Of course the ridiculous thing is that I pay £0 for 12 months vehicle tax on my classic bike and even better than that, two mate have classic cars and also pay £0 for their vehicle tax/

One is a 3.0 Capri and the other has a MK1 Lotus Cortina and a Corsair with a transplanted modernish V8 engine with pretty much just the original bodywork left!

Gas guzzlers indeed yet their VED is free - work that one out!

Quite like the Ford Capri, stock or modified? Pics ftw :D

From memory it's a metallic blue 1970 (ish) face lifted model with 4 headlights, haven't seen it for a while but I think it's mostly stock with a few mechanical upgrades knowing him. He's not into facebook so no easy to get pics but I'll ask when I see him.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 10:43:56 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))

Try the DVLA for an accurate description, it is described as vehicle tax not road tax, as I stated it hasn't been road tax for some years when it was known as Road Fund License.

Wiki is quite frequently wrong.

While it's quite flattering having you follow me around trying to correct every post I make, it is getting a bit silly, especially as you are so consistently wrong.
Hilarious. :rollin being pedantic about wording doesn't stop tax being tax.

And where did I say it's not a tax?

Once again in your mission to correct me you have made yourself look silly, I said it's not ROAD tax, it is Vehicle Excise Duty - in that it ain't spent on the roads.

Please go away now and obsess about someone else, I'm bored with you.
Stop talking then.  You're the one continuing to blather on.

I'm not talking to you, you feel the need to comment on every post I make on every thread, like all bullys you just want to have the last word.

Look down on the floor, over to the left a bit, there it is, pick it up and put it back in, next time you spit your dummy out I might not be here to help you.  :rollin
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 10:46:15 pm
It hasn't been road tax for years, it's Vehicle Excise Duty now.

Certainly doesn't get spent on the road round here  :wall


Tax by any other name....cue Wikipedia ((Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) (also known as vehicle tax or car tax) is a vehicle road use tax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax))

Try the DVLA for an accurate description, it is described as vehicle tax not road tax, as I stated it hasn't been road tax for some years when it was known as Road Fund License.

Wiki is quite frequently wrong.

While it's quite flattering having you follow me around trying to correct every post I make, it is getting a bit silly, especially as you are so consistently wrong.
Hilarious. :rollin being pedantic about wording doesn't stop tax being tax.

And where did I say it's not a tax?

Once again in your mission to correct me you have made yourself look silly, I said it's not ROAD tax, it is Vehicle Excise Duty - in that it ain't spent on the roads.

Please go away now and obsess about someone else, I'm bored with you.
Stop talking then.  You're the one continuing to blather on.

I'm not talking to you, you feel the need to comment on every post I make on every thread, like all bullys you just want to have the last word.

Look down on the floor, over to the left a bit, there it is, pick it up and put it back in, next time you spit your dummy out I might not be here to help you.  :rollin
You're funny.  For a troll.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chris on 09 May 2013, 10:47:56 pm
But you did reply didn't you Si  ;)
 
Chris
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Streetbudgie on 09 May 2013, 10:50:38 pm
One troll on any forum is enough and we have one, he's called UG.

I'm sure you'll be along with your beloved Wiki description of a troll but as far as I know trolls don't contribute to forum discussions, they just try to take them off topic or destroy them altogether.

Have a look at your posts and then mine (I mean a proper look, not your usual speed read the first two lines then dash off a comment) and tell me who you think fits the troll description.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chris on 09 May 2013, 10:52:27 pm
Wait a minute guys, the popcorn isn't ready yet  :lol
 
Chris
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Raymy on 09 May 2013, 10:54:09 pm
Oh oh default response when not In  agreement.

The budgie fella has a point


Anyhoo.


Ddtwelve....what cc of bike is that for cos I'm gonna have to tax the gixxer 750 soon

When I last taxd the fazer it was about 59 quid I think.

Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: simonm on 09 May 2013, 10:58:24 pm
Turn the handle some more eh.

This is the first time in my life I've been called a bully so I'll not put much stock in it, especially from a tool, sorry troll.

 you're right.this topic isn't worth my time. Unnotified.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Raymy on 09 May 2013, 11:01:38 pm
Unnotified?

Is that like a talk to the hand type thing or what?


Uh uh girlfriend
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Raymy on 09 May 2013, 11:03:01 pm
Obviously I did the hand gesture there after I typed that, like thems do on jerry kyle lake kilroys show
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chris on 09 May 2013, 11:06:24 pm
Obviously I did the hand gesture there after I typed that, like thems do on jerry kyle lake kilroys show

 :lol
 
I presume he means he won't look at this thread anymore. So, to summarise: He said something, someone else said something, they disagreed, he gave up and left the conversation.
 
Shame as the popcorns ready now, you want some tibs?
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Raymy on 09 May 2013, 11:09:22 pm
Can't,  too many gaps in teeth, diverts attention from festivities
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Chris on 09 May 2013, 11:11:02 pm
Can't,  too many gaps in teeth, diverts attention from festivities

 :rollin
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Fazerider on 09 May 2013, 11:45:04 pm
Well, if the sideshow's over, I'll just say I agree with Pilgrim's comment that it's not bad value compared with a car.
The 54mpg I get from the Fazer works out at just over 120g CO2/km, but a (post March 2001) car with emissions in that range would just hit the £105 level of road tax. So from that point of view, £57 for a 600cc bike tax disc could be seen as reasonable… even going some way towards recognising that we benefit other road users by reducing congestion.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Dead Eye on 10 May 2013, 01:22:34 am
Of course the ridiculous thing is that I pay £0 for 12 months vehicle tax on my classic bike and even better than that, two mate have classic cars and also pay £0 for their vehicle tax/

One is a 3.0 Capri and the other has a MK1 Lotus Cortina and a Corsair with a transplanted modernish V8 engine with pretty much just the original bodywork left!

Gas guzzlers indeed yet their VED is free - work that one out!

Quite like the Ford Capri, stock or modified? Pics ftw :D

From memory it's a metallic blue 1970 (ish) face lifted model with 4 headlights, haven't seen it for a while but I think it's mostly stock with a few mechanical upgrades knowing him. He's not into facebook so no easy to get pics but I'll ask when I see him.

Ah, sorry misread it and thought you owned the Capri, I'll blame it on the rum from being a pirate and hijacking the thread  :hijack :lol
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: ddtwelve on 10 May 2013, 10:48:39 am
Oh what fun this site can be hehe, 
Tiberius it's a tiger 1050 wish I'd gone fir the 800 now  :'(
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Raymy on 10 May 2013, 01:58:54 pm
Roger
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 May 2013, 02:35:53 pm
What was all that about?

Couple of things annoy me about road tax, I bought my used 2002 VW in 2005 just before they introduced the new system.  And what did they do, they introduced it retrospectively.  So I bought an ordinary car, knowing how much it would cost me to buy a tax disc, then they reworked the road tax system and wacked my tax right up.  How can that be fair?

Then I've got my bike, of which again I have to pay road tax if I wanna use it.  Funny thing is I can only use one at a time, so why am I paying road tax twice over, same for third party insurance.

Scrap The Road Tax and stick it on fuel.  That way the more you use, the more you pay.  Fair for everybody, and yup it's gonna make my think when it comes time to change the car.
Title: Re: Omg road tax
Post by: Dave48 on 11 May 2013, 08:06:12 am
VED,VAT, tax on everything. Then you have all the cost of administration (DVLA). There are too many bands/tiers of duty containing too many anomalies.
My 1951 25cc Cyclemaster: Tax exempt/MOT exempt
Fazer 600: Tax £31-35 for 6 months
Fazer Thou: Tax about £74 per annum
Fiat Panda 1.1 Tax £30 per annum.
If  we are to be taxed for road USE then,yes, put a penny or so on cost of fuel to pay for pollution/wear & tear( or whatever they really spend it on!)
If for vehicle OWNERSHIP I suppose we are stuck with present system, with all its anomalies, together with all the associated admin costs.
At least by putting the cost on fuel it  prevents the tax disc dodgers benefitting.
Perhaps show a disc for insurance & one for MOT???-think they do something like this in Eire?