Date: 18-05-24  Time: 03:16 am

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crussell92

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Head stock bearings!
« on: 24 August 2022, 09:26:22 am »
Hi guys, bit of help needed please, gen 1 fazer.

There was play in the forks which started last year on tour. No problem thought I, headstock bearings could do with replacement. Just replaced them but still there is play. Anyone that's done this before got ideas what it could be?

Tried messing with the bearing preload, tighter or looser it makes no difference. Pinch bolts all tight. It makes me think it could be something else but for the life of me can't see anything else it can be!

Still, at least it's not booked in for mot tomorrow morning 😏

Any help and suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Re: Head stock bearings!
« Reply #1 on: 24 August 2022, 09:53:14 pm »
Have u checked bearing races are fully seated in frames head tube & fully bottomed on steering stem?


Is every part present & assembled correctly?
Is everything torqued up correctly?
Check manual or on Fowlers parts site to ensure all parts fitted are in correct orientation.


Unless steerer tube is loose in bottom yoke, which is unlikely, can't see any reason why u have steering play, are u 100% play is in the steering, could be excessive fork bush play masking itself as steering play?



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Re: Head stock bearings!
« Reply #2 on: 31 August 2022, 05:15:55 am »
Thanks for your reply gaz.

I'll admit I have no way of torquing the castle nuts which I know is not ideal, have been loosening and tightening then riding the bike to see how it feels. There is a massive difference with little adjustments so have now ordered the tools to be able to torque it.
 
So I managed to get a helper to hold the bike whilst I performed some checks; if I hold the forks above the seals there is no play but holding them below the seals gives the slightest bit of play. So am I right in thinking that is fork bushings worn out?

Luckily taking the forks out is a doddle on the fazer 😂

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Re: Head stock bearings!
« Reply #3 on: 05 September 2022, 06:39:23 pm »
Checking fork play can be tricky on heavy bikes like these old 1000's.


Pulling & pushing at fork bottoms doesn't always show any visible play in fork bushes or head bearings unless they're well shagged or don't have enough preload via castle nuts, hence too loose.
You can nearly always feel a bit of fork bush play, this is normal, bushes have a working clearance.


If you read up on the torque up sequence of head bearings, you'd think WTF are Yamaha on about, seems ludicrous the amount of preload they state is required.
This only applies to ball bearing races not taper rollers bearing.


If taper roller, they need far less preload than ball races.
Ball races need way more preload, bottom castle nut needs to be torqued up a given amount, then loosened off & torqued up to a lesser amount as stated in W/shop manual.
ensure you have the correct rubber washer between upper & lower castle preload nuts, as a similar rubber washer should be fitted on steerer tube under top bearing, don't see a logical reason for this under bearing washer, seems it's to keep a wedge of grease up top around upper bearing, but this only seems viable if u massively flooded upper bearing with far too much grease, so may be my thinking is wrong?


All seems way too much preload for my liking, hence I didn't tighten mine up to recommended torque, just did mine hand tight till no play could be felt, on 1st rd test steering bearing were knocking & I could feel it thru steering under braking, so I whipped top yoke off & tightened preload nut a little more, then a rd test .. did this process till knock went away, all seems ok now ... I bought taper rollers but OEM bearing were still in good order, so I washed em out with brake cleaner & repacked em in high spec high pressure grease ... steers mint & no rattles or knocking.
Hope this helps