Author Topic: Camchain replacement (Read 15014 times)

darrsi · « **Reply #25 on:** 30 July 2013, 11:18:53 am »

Quote from: unfazed on 29 July 2013, 10:10:23 pm

What mileage is on you bike?
A complete cam chain means a major engine strip down as you need to lift out the crank to get the chain on and you cannot just seperate the crankcases as two of the crankcase bolts are under the barrel . A split chain from an engine point of view is just the carburettors, alternator cover and cam cover and cam chain tensioner off first and then the plugs and cams out. Split the chain and attached the new chain to the split link. With your third hand, turn the engine over holding the chain tightly and feeding it through. Install the cams, join the chain, check the cam timing, install the tensioner, check cam timing again. Replace the cam covers, alternator cover and carburettors.
Max time about 6 hours for a split chain (a very good mechanic could probably do it in 4 )

I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time.

garyb · « **Reply #26 on:** 30 July 2013, 04:52:37 pm »

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I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time.
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I need to get mine done ASAP, any idea where I can purchase a split chain on online? I have been looking for the last hour or so and can't find one. I would like a DID or equivalent if possible.

darrsi · « **Reply #27 on:** 30 July 2013, 04:56:20 pm »

I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time.

I need to get mine done ASAP, any idea where I can purchase a split chain on online? I have been looking for the last hour or so and can't find one. I would like a DID or equivalent if possible.

Don't think you'll find a D.I.D. one, as His Dudeness has been searching for one with no luck that i know of?
Wemoto will probably sort you out the quickest.

Dcock · « **Reply #28 on:** 30 July 2013, 05:56:18 pm »

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I had a split chain fitted a few years back and vaguely remember the bill being around the £200 mark which would suggest about 4hrs labour at the time.

I need to get mine done ASAP, any idea where I can purchase a split chain on online? I have been looking for the last hour or so and can't find one. I would like a DID or equivalent if possible. QUOTE

http://www.yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spares/partImage.asp?GPN=741.21.25&uid=0

i just ordered that one. Not sure how long it will take to get here though, it says normally dispatched within 3 days on the site.

unfazed · « **Reply #29 on:** 30 July 2013, 07:07:02 pm »

I bought mine from Wemoto http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/ and have found them very helful and goood to deal with.
Scroll down to the engine section, Chain is supplied complete and you need to order the soft link seperately.

Dcock · « **Reply #30 on:** 30 July 2013, 07:15:21 pm »

Quote from: unfazed on 30 July 2013, 07:07:02 pm

I bought mine from Wemoto http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/ and have found them very helful and goood to deal with.
Scroll down to the engine section, Chain is supplied complete and you need to order the soft link seperately.

is the one on wemoto now an open chain? or did u buy the endless and split it?

EDIT: just saw it was endless. How dodgey is it to buy an endless cam chain and split it and then use a rivet link instead of paying £15 more for an open chain?

Deefer666 · « **Reply #31 on:** 30 July 2013, 07:51:15 pm »

The last one I did was about 350 quid all in and I never fit split chains.

unfazed · « **Reply #32 on:** 30 July 2013, 08:49:29 pm »

Bought the endless one, split it and used the split link to rejoin it.
Deefer666, out of curosity, how did you manage to do it for that price?

Parts alone would come to close to £200 and add labour to that. You must have a queue wating at your door with prices like that.

garyb · « **Reply #33 on:** 31 July 2013, 04:08:49 pm »

I've had no luck at all trying to find an open chain with a rivet link anywhere including all the reccomendations on here

Actually found a DID one in my shed (was a spare for the blackbird) and I checked out the specs, same length @ 130 links, same pitch@ 6.35 but inner width was different - so feck that anyway!
Any ideas where else I can try? I tried fleabay, Wemoto, AJ Sutton etc. but to no avail.
Cheers, Gar

darrsi · « **Reply #34 on:** 31 July 2013, 04:16:38 pm »

Quote from: garyb on 31 July 2013, 04:08:49 pm

I've had no luck at all trying to find an open chain with a rivet link anywhere including all the reccomendations on here
Actually found a DID one in my shed (was a spare for the blackbird) and I checked out the specs, same length @ 130 links, same pitch@ 6.35 but inner width was different - so feck that anyway!
Any ideas where else I can try? I tried fleabay, Wemoto, AJ Sutton etc. but to no avail.
Cheers, Gar

Fowlers of Bristol.......you'll need your chassis number at hand.
http://www.fowlers.co.uk/parts/from_fowlers_web.shtml

Ebme Geek · « **Reply #35 on:** 31 July 2013, 04:33:21 pm »

I bought an endless one and split it, joined it with a rivet link. Wemoto were doing the DID one when I got mine but now just seem to do Tourmax.

Don't see any difference in buying an open or splitting an endles, comes apart surprisingly easy. Bit to take care with is riveting it back together, I was happy with the result with mine and could hardley tell my link from the others.

I still recomend : one block hammer, one punie hammer and a punch, saves hitting it where you dont want to, you only hit where the punch is

unfazed · « **Reply #36 on:** 31 July 2013, 05:44:02 pm »

Wemoto definitely do them, Fowlers only do genuine complete chains
Address http://www.wemoto.com/bikes/yamaha/fzs_600_fazer_sp/02-03/ same chain for all models from 98 to 03
See pics, you need to scroll to the engine section and add 1 chain and 1 link as shown then add to basket and checkout.

Dcock · « **Reply #37 on:** 31 July 2013, 06:03:36 pm »

Quote from: garyb on 31 July 2013, 04:08:49 pm

I've had no luck at all trying to find an open chain with a rivet link anywhere including all the reccomendations on here
Actually found a DID one in my shed (was a spare for the blackbird) and I checked out the specs, same length @ 130 links, same pitch@ 6.35 but inner width was different - so feck that anyway!
Any ideas where else I can try? I tried fleabay, Wemoto, AJ Sutton etc. but to no avail.
Cheers, Gar

here's an open chain with rivet link, bit more expensive.

http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spares/partImage.asp?GPN=741.21.25&model=YAMAHA%20FZS%20600%20FAZER%2000-03&uid=0

garyb · « **Reply #38 on:** 31 July 2013, 06:34:39 pm »

Quote from: Dcock on 31 July 2013, 06:03:36 pm

here's an open chain with rivet link, bit more expensive.

http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spares/partImage.asp?GPN=741.21.25&model=YAMAHA%20FZS%20600%20FAZER%2000-03&uid=0
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Cheers mate.

I was on to Paul in AJ this morning about that item and after checking, he confirmed it wasn't in stock ad couldn't give me a lead time when they would have it again. The search continues!

Thanks anyway

His Dudeness · « **Reply #39 on:** 31 July 2013, 06:50:06 pm »

Wemoto don't have did ones in the 92rh2010x130 size and I don't think they have id ones either. They also don't have rivet links for did or id chains. Maybe they will in the future but they don't atm. I couldn't find a did anywhere so I ordered the did/id/borg warner one a few days ago that Dcock stuck up there from the aj site. Got an email from them after I ordered it saying they didn't have any in stock so I'll have to wait until they get them in

darrsi · « **Reply #40 on:** 31 July 2013, 07:02:13 pm »

Quote from: garyb on 31 July 2013, 06:34:39 pm

here's an open chain with rivet link, bit more expensive.

http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/spares/partImage.asp?GPN=741.21.25&model=YAMAHA%20FZS%20600%20FAZER%2000-03&uid=0

Cheers mate.

I was on to Paul in AJ this morning about that item and after checking, he confirmed it wasn't in stock ad couldn't give me a lead time when they would have it again. The search continues!

Thanks anyway

Did you try Fowlers, i'd be surprised if they can't help you?

garyb · « **Reply #41 on:** 31 July 2013, 07:04:28 pm »

I'll have a look for them on the web now, thanks.

His Dudeness · « **Reply #42 on:** 31 July 2013, 07:16:42 pm »

On a bit of a side note I spotted that motion pro do an attachment for their rivet tool that rivets solid links. It's called a quad stake. Might be worth a go? This guy shows it at the end of his video


Motion Pro jumbo chain tool breaker 08-0135 with quad stake adapter 08-0142

Ebme Geek · « **Reply #43 on:** 01 August 2013, 12:56:20 pm »

The quad stake anvil there looks too big for doing a cam chain, do they do a smaller one. Also noticed this was called the jumbo chain tool, so does it have driving pins small enough to split a cam chain

The tool I borrow to split mine was like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cam-Drive-Chain-Splitter-Breaker-Link-Riveter-Motorcycle-NEW-/181116192118?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a2b5dc576#ht_3084wt_892

but it's no good for riveting as I have said before

Dcock · « **Reply #44 on:** 01 August 2013, 06:03:58 pm »

Quote from: Ebme Geek on 01 August 2013, 12:56:20 pm

The quad stake anvil there looks too big for doing a cam chain, do they do a smaller one. Also noticed this was called the jumbo chain tool, so does it have driving pins small enough to split a cam chain

The tool I borrow to split mine was like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cam-Drive-Chain-Splitter-Breaker-Link-Riveter-Motorcycle-NEW-/181116192118?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a2b5dc576#ht_3084wt_892

but it's no good for riveting as I have said before

what problem did you have using that tool to rivet the cam chain? I was also going to use that to do my cam chain.

Dead Eye · « **Reply #45 on:** 01 August 2013, 08:18:59 pm »

I bought one of those and found it completely useless for dealing with the drive chain, it just wasn't man enough for the task. It was a bit of an impulsive and rushed purchase though, I imagine it would be much better suited to a cam chain

His Dudeness · « **Reply #46 on:** 01 August 2013, 09:10:48 pm »

Quote from: Dcock on 01 August 2013, 06:03:58 pm

what problem did you have using that tool to rivet the cam chain? I was also going to use that to do my cam chain.

There's two types of rivets hollow ones and solid ones. That tool is for hollow rivets only. The cam chain will have a solid link so that tool won't work.

@embe geek
I don't know how big it is. I think there's only one size so maybe it's not suitable.

Dead Eye · « **Reply #47 on:** 02 August 2013, 10:00:59 am »

Well that explains its useless-ness now ^^

garyb · « **Reply #48 on:** 11 August 2013, 01:52:38 pm »

Replacing the camchain at the moment myself, I have the cams out and just waiting for the new chain to arrive.

I guess the next step will be to split the existing chain, tie the new one on to it, feed it around the crank turning the flywheel, and then join the new one together with the rivet link.

Once thing thats puzzling me though - how do you know when the engine is at TDC on the no.1 cylinder after all this turning of the crank without the cams and before you re-install them?

Surely you don't just re-install the cams without the engine at TDC on no.1

Dead Eye · « **Reply #49 on:** 11 August 2013, 06:35:36 pm »

There is a mark on the pulley behind the generator cover if memory serves

Sure someone will be along with a handy photo soon enough