Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 21 June 2014, 05:34:38 pm
So, I was looking at an iMac laptop - tres expensif! (£850) - but, it has very good photo software already installed, at least, as good as I'm ever gonna need, and is very easy to use; basically, does everything I want from a computer. Unfortunately, I didn't note the exact model, so will have to pop back and check, so I can see if it's cheaper elsewhere.
However, as little as I know about computers, I know there's likely to be a cheaper option that's every bit as good for what I need it for, so I wondered if anyone had any recommendations before I go and splash the cash. £850 still seems an awful lot of dosh for what I'll actually use a computer for, but it is tempting to go for something a little more up-to-date than I'm used to this time as a bit of a treat.
TL;DR Recommend me a laptop.
Post by: mickvp on 21 June 2014, 06:10:43 pm
Post by: Fazerider on 21 June 2014, 06:11:57 pm
It's a smart bit of kit, but you can save a fair bit by going for a Mac mini (http://store.apple.com/uk/buy-mac/mac-mini) if you don't need portability and already have a decent screen. That's what I use... lack of a built in optical drive is the only downside I've found.
Post by: Dead Eye on 21 June 2014, 06:27:09 pm
The other downside is that if -anything- goes wrong with it you are pretty much at the mercy of their tech guys. There's a lot more support for less cost with a Windows machine which is just as powerful and is likely to be something you are more familiar with.
If you are really in to your Photo's and Videos then there are options for that, but usually anything in this field is expensive. Adobe, who produce Photoshop etc, are now owned by Apple so you are still able to get to get top spec software for Windows machines.
The laptop market is quite fluid and where it is possible to get a decent purchase, it can be a minefield. For me personally, I've liked the look of a lot of the newer Dell machines - I have one myself. Previously I've had Acer machines, but these were bought for mobility rather than for performance.
As much as I find it easy to know what I want out of a PC, how to build them and choose the right components, I find it very hard to make recommendations as most people have a much lower budget than I do as I'm an enthusiast and with that comes some eccentricity.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 21 June 2014, 07:08:34 pm
You were probably shown the 13" Macbook Air ([url]http://store.apple.com/uk/buy-mac/macbook-air[/url])
It's a smart bit of kit, but you can save a fair bit by going for a Mac mini ([url]http://store.apple.com/uk/buy-mac/mac-mini[/url]) if you don't need portability and already have a decent screen. That's what I use... lack of a built in optical drive is the only downside I've found.
Fazerider, yeah, I think that's the one I was looking at. I think I want to go for a laptop this time, not only for the portability, but also because I'm pushed for space at home. The battery life of up to 12 hours seems pretty good, although it will be mostly for home use I think.
But I did like the photo software - allows me to do a number of things, such as enhance detail in shadow areas, change contrasts etc, and comes pre-installed (seems to me you get less and less ready-to-go software with computers these days).
So photography and an easy-to-use method of organising my pics (upwards of 3000 now!), making albums etc - my current desk top uses HP Photosmart - it's so frustrating, any task takes forever. This iMac was so easy to work with in comparison.
There is also a possibility I might want to do a project using my photos and adding text in the future - it's something I have half an idea of at the moment, but couldn't expand more on that right now. Kind of like writing an illustrated reference book.
I will want to use it to play music on too, so will need a decent option on (compact) speaker systems. Again, something like 500 albums in my collection now.
I do have a stand-alone hard drive which everything is currently backed up onto, 1tb, so basically endless storage space that I'll probably never fill.
And of course, general internet use.
But if it has a good selection of software and capability, who knows what I might end up wanting to do in the future.
Liam, quite possibly a Windows system will also do everything I want, but where can I go to try it out, and be shown directly what it's capability will be? That's the thing with this shop in Oxford - it's the only place I know of where you can do that. You tell them what you want to be able to do, and they physically demonstrate it right there in front of you. I know I'd probably pay over the odds there, and of course there will always be an element of them trying to sell me what they want to sell (they are an Apple specialist after all, so that's what they do exclusively). But they can offer friendly back up, relatively locally, which to a numpty like me, has to be worth something!
Post by: evesdad on 21 June 2014, 07:09:05 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 21 June 2014, 07:19:36 pm
Once you go mac you'll never go back! :)
But what in particular makes you say that? Ease of use? How? Easy to find your way around? Bearing in mind an abacus can still confuse me sometimes :lol
Post by: slimwilly on 21 June 2014, 07:31:22 pm
Post by: evesdad on 21 June 2014, 08:12:38 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 21 June 2014, 08:55:18 pm
You can get a hell of alot of Laptop for £400.00 with the lastest Windows,,why spend more?
But what software do you get with it? How do I know that what comes with it is suitable for what I want to do? You go into PC World, and they're useless, can't tell you anything.
Post by: evesdad on 21 June 2014, 09:02:24 pm
If you are "friends" with a student go to an apple store and ask about educational discounts.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 21 June 2014, 09:18:39 pm
[url]http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/[/url] ([url]http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/[/url])
If you are "friends" with a student go to an apple store and ask about educational discounts.
CHRISTOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol
evesdad, I don't think I need convincing that it's a good system, but have to be sure at that price.
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 June 2014, 12:35:47 am
It is possible to get a very good spec Windows (or even Linux, but I wouldn't recommend it for you personally) laptop. Software is a whole other massive discussion, but having said that Photoshop is a well known quantity. It is made by Adobe, who are owned by Apple so I would expect your local store to be able to give tutorials or advice on it. The catch is that it costs a fortune and I believe these days they run a pay-per-month system rather than an out-right purchase method.
Post by: ChristoT on 22 June 2014, 12:49:26 am
[url]http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/[/url] ([url]http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/[/url])
If you are "friends" with a student go to an apple store and ask about educational discounts.
CHRISTOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol
evesdad, I don't think I need convincing that it's a good system, but have to be sure at that price.
Ha, you'll have to start being nice to me now! :lol
Apple's main problem (which I also faced when I tried Linux) is the lack of compatability. Unfortunately for Apple users, Windows is pretty much a global standard, most software is written for it. Sure, you can get emulators, but if you have to do that, why not get the original from the word go?
I personally don't like Apples. I don't like the layout, I don't like their prices, I don't like the fact that 90% of Apple devotees have hipster beards, berets, and drink wheatgrass and carrot juice (sorry evesdad! :lol ).
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 June 2014, 08:07:58 am
In any case, this is a tangent to the topic at hand. I wouldn't recommend Linux to nick and while I have no love for Mac's, however I think it might be a good match for him providing he can get a good level of support from professionals at a low cost
Post by: Slaninar on 22 June 2014, 08:20:02 am
Post by: ChristoT on 22 June 2014, 08:34:56 am
I can not recommend you to avoid laptops enough. Unless absolutely necessary to work on the road.
Slaninar has a good point, desktops are dirt cheap these days! And when you're on the road, your phone does most of the work, right?
Post by: Fazerider on 22 June 2014, 10:17:10 am
Charlie Brooker's take (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft-mac-windows) on the Mac vs. Windows argument still cracks me up. :lol
Post by: fazersharp on 22 June 2014, 11:02:08 am
The thing that I see some with laptops do is they buy a mouse for it - and a pad and some extra speakers, -- oh and then cause of crap battery life its pluged in so you may as well have a desktop and for the price of apple you could have a good windows system and a laptop for the garden and get hold of a photoshop 8 for no money.
Post by: rustyrider on 22 June 2014, 11:22:44 am
Windows 8 now integrates calendars, email settings and address book online so does nothing that a Mac can. However, to give the other side of the coin, a friend who is a complete computer numpty went over to a Mac After his son persuaded him that he might find it easier. Most of the time he does but still has problems with things he used to be able to do on a pc that he can't do or aren't as straightforward. He's also changed his phone for an iPhone as he had all sorts of problems getting his previous Samsung Galaxy to work with the Mac and hates it.
As said, you'll pay a lot more for a Mac than an equivalent spec Windows machine but as Apple have their own shops you are likely to get better support than from the ignorant box shifters that work in PC World. It just depends if you need it. You've obviously got on fine with a Windows machine up until now, so what makes you think you'll need it in the future?
Post by: Slaninar on 22 June 2014, 11:50:02 am
Personally I don't see what the worry is with Microsoft ceasing support for XP, all their updates ever used to do was cause things that did work properly to stop working.
Try googling "conficker". It might change your mind on the updates.
I've a desktop machine that I use for video editing and a laptop that I use for everything else. Both running XP and I doubt that will change.
Most new laptops don't have XP compatible drivers. Soon to be the case with motherboards as well. I am an XP fan myself, but the change is forced. Planned obsolescence (what a word in English :) ).
I can use the laptop in the living room (as I am now), in the garden and I can put it in my rucksack when I go away and use it wherever I am. I've never been a great fan of anything with an i in front of it's name as they will only work with something else with an i in front of it's name. I was once given an iPod but found that to load any music onto it I had to install iTunes on my computer which then took a huge amount of disk space and tried to take over everything to do with music files. With any other bog standard mp3 player, I can just copy files over from the laptop and they play.
Windows 8 now integrates calendars, email settings and address book online so does nothing that a Mac can. However, to give the other side of the coin, a friend who is a complete computer numpty went over to a Mac After his son persuaded him that he might find it easier. Most of the time he does but still has problems with things he used to be able to do on a pc that he can't do or aren't as straightforward. He's also changed his phone for an iPhone as he had all sorts of problems getting his previous Samsung Galaxy to work with the Mac and hates it.
As said, you'll pay a lot more for a Mac than an equivalent spec Windows machine but as Apple have their own shops you are likely to get better support than from the ignorant box shifters that work in PC World. It just depends if you need it. You've obviously got on fine with a Windows machine up until now, so what makes you think you'll need it in the future?
I-phone is a nice, practical thing. I don't have it, but a friend who is always on the road uses it a lot - for business as well as fun.
Like most other things - they have good and bad sides, you need to have your own criteria on which you base your decision - for yourself. :)
Oh, and most of it is made to take your money, 90% of things I see ordinary people do on a PC can be done with both software and hardware from 10 years ago. But you can't even buy that (except 2nd hand with no guarantee) now.
Post by: rustyrider on 22 June 2014, 12:22:14 pm
I-phone is a nice, practical thing. I don't have it, but a friend who is always on the road uses it a lot - for business as well as fun.The biggest problem I know of with a number of people with the iPhone is using it as it's name suggests, as a phone. It appears that each generation seems to get worse, it is a small iPad that will work as a phone if you ask it nicely and the audio quality is pretty poor too. I've always used Nokia as they make phones and most of the network infrastructure too, so with my latest have gone down the Windows phone route. Not because I wanted a Windows phone but because I wanted a Nokia. Since getting it, it does everything an iPhone, or for that matter, an Android device, can do, sometimes better, sometimes not as well, but it will do it. Not only that but my wife tried it and found it so much more intuitive to use than her Samsung Android phone, she changed to one too. Within 2 days she'd sent me a picture message, something she'd never been able to work out how to do in the past!
Microsoft released an update against Conficker in 2008 so while it may have been a problem 5 years ago isn't any more. Third party security software will deal with it anyway.
True, if you buy a new machine it is unlikely you will be able to run XP on it but if you are keeping an old one then you can stick with what you have and what you know. My point is that just because MS are no longer supporting XP doesn't mean you have to go out and buy a new machine with a supported operating system immediately. What can the new operating systems do that XP can't? Probably quite a lot of things but are they things you need or want to do?
Post by: evesdad on 22 June 2014, 02:44:15 pm
[url]http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/[/url] ([url]http://www.apple.com/uk/creativity-apps/mac/[/url])
If you are "friends" with a student go to an apple store and ask about educational discounts.
CHRISTOOOOOOOOO!!! :lol
evesdad, I don't think I need convincing that it's a good system, but have to be sure at that price.
Ha, you'll have to start being nice to me now! :lol
Apple's main problem (which I also faced when I tried Linux) is the lack of compatability. Unfortunately for Apple users, Windows is pretty much a global standard, most software is written for it. Sure, you can get emulators, but if you have to do that, why not get the original from the word go?
I personally don't like Apples. I don't like the layout, I don't like their prices, I don't like the fact that 90% of Apple devotees have hipster beards, berets, and drink wheatgrass and carrot juice (sorry evesdad! :lol ).
ChrisoT I'm bald as a coot wear a Dai cap and only eat red meat ;) Hip I ain't!
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 June 2014, 04:13:31 pm
I'm not sure if it's done these days but Apple did used to allow a dual-boot system to allow Mac OS and Windows to be installed. It's definitely still possible, BUT I don't know if they ship their products like it any more
As for phones;
The iPhone is not for me - as mentioned it is a smaller version of the iPad that can sometimes make calls and I don't like the iPad either.
Android handsets are my preference, but I will fully admit that they can be a bit daunting to novice users as they can be very complex devices.
I did like Windows Phone - Nokia were kind enough to give me a Lumia 810 as I was their "Ambassador" when working for The Carphone Warehouse. They only downside at the time was a significant lack of the applications that I use on my Android phone (currently a Galaxy Note 3). But again, I have quite particular needs and this skews my perspective.
I can seem them being a force to reckon with in the future since Nokia is now owned by Microsoft. Having said that, Motorola were bought by Google and they don't appear to have done much yet... pretty sure the latest Nexus handset was made by LG?
Post by: Slaninar on 23 June 2014, 06:00:05 am
I-phone is a nice, practical thing. I don't have it, but a friend who is always on the road uses it a lot - for business as well as fun.The biggest problem I know of with a number of people with the iPhone is using it as it's name suggests, as a phone. It appears that each generation seems to get worse, it is a small iPad that will work as a phone if you ask it nicely and the audio quality is pretty poor too. I've always used Nokia as they make phones and most of the network infrastructure too, so with my latest have gone down the Windows phone route. Not because I wanted a Windows phone but because I wanted a Nokia. Since getting it, it does everything an iPhone, or for that matter, an Android device, can do, sometimes better, sometimes not as well, but it will do it. Not only that but my wife tried it and found it so much more intuitive to use than her Samsung Android phone, she changed to one too. Within 2 days she'd sent me a picture message, something she'd never been able to work out how to do in the past!
Microsoft released an update against Conficker in 2008 so while it may have been a problem 5 years ago isn't any more. Third party security software will deal with it anyway.
True, if you buy a new machine it is unlikely you will be able to run XP on it but if you are keeping an old one then you can stick with what you have and what you know. My point is that just because MS are no longer supporting XP doesn't mean you have to go out and buy a new machine with a supported operating system immediately. What can the new operating systems do that XP can't? Probably quite a lot of things but are they things you need or want to do?
I totally agree. As a happy XP user. However, stopped support has it's limitations. Patches continued would be good, as well as new drivers.
As far as mobiles go - I curse the day they were made, but what can you do....
Post by: Panthor on 23 June 2014, 10:16:35 am
Post by: redthunder on 23 June 2014, 11:36:20 am
I have to recommend a desktop. You can get a very good Intel i5 processor, 8gb+ of ram, a large solid state hard drive + a huge regular hard drive for storage, official copy of windows and all the bells & whistles for between £5-600. Sure it's not portable but the performance won't be beaten, particularly with a SSD for your operating system and most used software. You then have the added bonus of being able to upgrade individual parts in 12-24 months to make it more modern and last longer.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-378-OK&groupid=43&catid=2476&subcat=2563 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-378-OK&groupid=43&catid=2476&subcat=2563)
You can spec this up like so
(http://i.imgur.com/kAEQlCL.png)
This is a monster of a computer, will do all you ask of it and more. Down the line you could add a graphics card or more ram to make it even better.
Post by: Slaninar on 23 June 2014, 12:18:59 pm
Post by: Dead Eye on 23 June 2014, 04:02:25 pm
Definitely steps you could take to reduce the price as well, of which removing the SSD as Slaninar suggests would be a start
I actually, to a degree, enjoy spec-ing systems out using suppliers like Scan... the bit I don't like is not being able to click "Buy Now" :P
My current plans are for a new home NAS system, but that's not until next month anyway :P
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 June 2014, 05:54:32 pm
I can not recommend you to avoid laptops enough. Unless absolutely necessary to work on the road.
Slaninar has a good point, desktops are dirt cheap these days! And when you're on the road, your phone does most of the work, right?
Why?
SSD, NAS, NTFS.............WTF? :lol
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 June 2014, 06:30:58 pm
Bought it at the end of 2008.
Only thing is it's VISTA64, so not only is it running windows least used version but it's running the even rarer 64bit version. So I'd guess windows are itching to cut my support. Already noticing software upgrades that are coming out with no VISTA support.
Anyway hoping to make a bit more space for it, get a bigger desk and get a 23 inch monitor as well as keeping my current 19 inch job.
I did recently have a wee look at getting a new PC, and compared PC prices with a MAC, well lets just say make sure you are sitting down when you check the mac price.
Anyway I'm trying to put it off as long as poss. Getting any new machine running the way you want it is a pain in the butt.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 June 2014, 06:44:22 pm
I did recently have a wee look at getting a new PC, and compared PC prices with a MAC, well lets just say make sure you are sitting down when you check the mac price.
Anyway I'm trying to put it off as long as poss. Getting any new machine running the way you want it is a pain in the butt.
Yeah, the iMac is expensive, but it seems to do the things I want to do rather well - or, in a way I like.
I am aware that every system will have it's advantages and disadvantages, but due to the above, the Mac seems good to me. I'm not the kind of person to want to do regular upgrades, just want something to last me a few years, or a lifetime if that were possible (but I'm not that naïve :rolleyes ).
I really am keen on getting something that takes up a lot less space than my current desktop, and like the idea of having just the one thing that I can use anywhere in the house. Plugging it in is not going to be a problem, and with a 12 hour battery life, that's even more so.
Post by: Dead Eye on 23 June 2014, 09:37:23 pm
95 - Not that great
98 - Awesome
ME - Crap
XP - Awesome
Vista - Crap
7 - Awesome
8 - Not that great
So hopefully 9 will be somewhat better :P I've gotten used to the little annoyances that 8 brought along, though for some reason 8.1 seems to be even more annoying in some ways :\ In any case, it's irrelevant if you want a Mac :P
For reference;
SSD = Solid State Drive (no moving parts)
HDD = Hard Disk Drive
NAS = Network Attached Storage
NTFS = New Technology File System - a type of drive format which is default on all Windows machines since XP I believe
Nick, I'm happy to try and translate any techno-babble if you ever want... though I'm off for 2 weeks now... so, yeah... bad timing... oops...
Post by: ChristoT on 23 June 2014, 10:35:49 pm
An awesome system, XP was built on top of most of it. :)
Post by: Dead Eye on 23 June 2014, 10:39:05 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 23 June 2014, 10:45:00 pm
Windows 2000 was the business / professional release of Windows ME including variations marketed to datacentres
Er - really? My Mum's computer had ME, and ran like shite. Kept crashing, and took ages to open anything
My brother and I had a tower running 2000, never had any trouble at all. In fact, it still runs!
Wikipedia holds the answer: 2000 was built on top of the NT4 - one of Window's most stable OSs ever. And 2000 Professional (which was the version we had) was apparently marketed as a desktop OS for businesses. Still ran Age of Empires and Combat FS pretty well! :lol :lol
Post by: Dead Eye on 24 June 2014, 12:19:51 am
Post by: evesdad on 24 June 2014, 10:18:01 am
Post by: locksmith on 24 June 2014, 12:07:07 pm
You say how great the shop was, spending time with you, making sure you get what you want, but you'll probably buy it elsewhere, more than likely one of those places that "know bugger all about it" to quote your own words :rolleyes
Just think who's going to be the most helpful if you have a little teething trouble :)
Post by: redthunder on 24 June 2014, 12:23:56 pm
I would also recommend avoiding the SSD and just getting a good old regular Hard Drive.
Both is better :D
Really though. I bought a 64gb SSD about a year or so ago and just installed Windows on it. I then had a regular 1TB hard drive for storage. Which i've managed to fill so put in another 1TB last week. The great part about it is having Windows on the SSD means everything is super quick from booting up to browsing forums.
If I had to recommend just one computer upgrade to anyone, a SSD would be it. The prices are becoming more reasonable by the day, there is no reason not to buy one. In terms of value the performance boost per £ is unrivalled.
Post by: Slaninar on 24 June 2014, 02:45:56 pm
I would also recommend avoiding the SSD and just getting a good old regular Hard Drive.
Both is better :D
Really though. I bought a 64gb SSD about a year or so ago and just installed Windows on it. I then had a regular 1TB hard drive for storage. Which i've managed to fill so put in another 1TB last week. The great part about it is having Windows on the SSD means everything is super quick from booting up to browsing forums.
If I had to recommend just one computer upgrade to anyone, a SSD would be it. The prices are becoming more reasonable by the day, there is no reason not to buy one. In terms of value the performance boost per £ is unrivalled.
For everyday use, there is no need for super fast SSD. Not with these prices still. My computer with a regular HDD still boots up faster than I can make cofee. :)
Post by: HarryHornby on 24 June 2014, 02:59:58 pm
Post by: rustyrider on 24 June 2014, 03:02:12 pm
For everyday use, there is no need for super fast SSD. Not with these prices still. My computer with a regular HDD still boots up faster than I can make cofee. :)and with an SSD it would be booted before you've filled the kettle. Prices aren't bad these days, not over here anyway, 250Gb for well under £100 for an internal 2.5" laptop drive. Plenty big enough for a laptop.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 June 2014, 04:07:08 pm
Cant help on the technical front but.....
You say how great the shop was, spending time with you, making sure you get what you want, but you'll probably buy it elsewhere, more than likely one of those places that "know bugger all about it" to quote your own words :rolleyes
Just think who's going to be the most helpful if you have a little teething trouble :)
Yeah, I know, and they also offer various extended support packages that are appealing for a dimwit like me. So I could end up paying the extra to get the extra - might be worth it to me.
Hey Nick, just throwing it out there, I have an NUS student card, if you do decide to go apple, give me a shout, we can get it cheap between us :D
Cheers Harry, might take you up on that (this isn't immediately imminent - maybe in a few months time, but my computer does seem to have some problems, possible virus, so I'm mostly using my Dad's, not ideal).
It has occurred to me that an iMac coupled with an iphone for when out and about on the bike would be a good way to go, as the compatibility of the two might make for an efficient overall system. And it has been pointed out to me that I could get the phone off ebay for about £100. (iphone 4).
Still no word as to why laptops are crap then? :rolleyes
Post by: HarryHornby on 24 June 2014, 04:35:43 pm
A desk mounted PC, you can change the motherboard, graphics card, sound card, add additional ports etc etc BUT the amount of people who really need to do this are very few.
For what you need a windows (or mac) laptop would be spot on.
With regards to syncing your iPhone to the machine, the Mac uses iTunes to do this, the same as a PC, so the phone will sync fine to the PC as well as the Mac.
With regards to getting a second hand I phone, I did this last year, there are some good ones out there, just need to be a little patient :-)
Let me ask around at work (I work for a University, in the IT department) and see what the options are for not too expensive graphics packages for a PC.
Post by: Fazerider on 24 June 2014, 07:48:01 pm
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 June 2014, 07:52:03 pm
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95 - Not that great
98 - Awesome
ME - Crap
XP - Awesome
Vista - Crap
7 - Awesome
8 - Not that great
Weird. 98 was still a business OS, it was pretty shite for hame use as it just didn't do multi-media stuff. It wasn't very stable either. That when the mac really was king. Windows was a business machine, mac was everything else.
XP was when they levelled the playing field, it was a full multi-media OS, now anything you could do on a mac could be done on a PC.
Vista - crap? In 2008 I had to upgrade my 2003 XP machine, it just wasn't coping with basic tasks like photo editing any more. I was feart, everybody said VISTA was a nightmare but at the same time I didn't see any point in buying a new PC with an old OS and not when I could have a 64 bit OS. I still don't know what all the fuss was about, VISTA is a far better OS than XP, it's smarter and more stable than XP. But it looks like a lot of software developers no longer think it's worth supporting, so at some point I'll be pushed onto 8 or whatever is on the go at the time.
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I would also recommend avoiding the SSD and just getting a good old regular Hard Drive.
A matter of price I guess. I'm thinking it's the way to go. Not only is it way faster but it should be far more reliable. Hard drives are much better than they used to be, but they all go pop eventually which can be a real pain in the butt.
Anyway technology, I kinda felt that up to and around the mid 00's I was keeping up with all this stuff, I could understand things and fix any issues or problems I came across. Now I just feel old. I just can't keep up and am totally lost when there's a problem.
Post by: Buzz on 25 June 2014, 09:09:25 am
i5 Laptop (http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnspiren1591.html) with no Operating system- £460
Win7 OS - £0 (ahem, ahem)
Photoshop - £0 (cough, cough)
24 inch - Monitor (http://www.ebuyer.com/393375-acer-g246hlbbid-24-led-lcd-hdmi-monitor-um-fg6ee-b01) - £120
Wireless keyboard/Mouse (http://www.ebuyer.com/321335-gigabyte-km7580-wireless-keyboard-and-mouse-set-gk-km7580) - £17
Don't buy a Mac, you're paying treble for the flawless form and an equal function.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 25 June 2014, 09:39:40 am
Win7 and Photoshop = £0?
How would you set that system up?
Win7 now outdated with no support? Any problems here?
Post by: Slaninar on 25 June 2014, 10:01:42 am
Interesting Buzz, can you explain that lot a bit more?
Win7 and Photoshop = £0?
How would you set that system up?
Win7 now outdated with no support? Any problems here?
In my country no one pays for software at home. Just when you have some business. No one comes to your house to see if you have genuine software.
Win7 still has regular updates. Though some new laptops don't come with Win7 drivers... but on some Win7 works OK with "Win8" drivers..
Post by: Exupnut on 25 June 2014, 11:22:46 am
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/25/y2a5e3yj.jpg)
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 25 June 2014, 03:38:28 pm
After readin all the posts and knowin wot ur like with phones u shud get this...
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/25/y2a5e3yj.jpg[/url])
Wow, that looks foccin fast.... :rollin
Blue keys'll slow it down though ;)
Post by: kawasutra on 27 June 2014, 08:04:02 pm
51 A computer ad 1980s |
Post by: Slaninar on 01 July 2014, 08:02:01 pm
http://www.hwcompare.com/15567/radeon-hd-5450-vs-radeon-r7-260x/ (http://www.hwcompare.com/15567/radeon-hd-5450-vs-radeon-r7-260x/)