twats...

[YamFazFan]

There have been some very good Tory Ministers recently.

Shhh, don't let VNA hear you say that!

[mtread]

But it's true. None are 100% good or bad. But on balance, the Tories are bound to be worse 

[YamFazFan]

But it's true. None are 100% good or bad.

 Wait until VNA gets home and sees that! .


  I predict a riot, I predict a riot

[Oldgit]

Being a Councillor for over 10 years and dealing with Civil Servants all the time in local government, I found that there was a tendency to say no to what I would say was reasonable requests from Councillors to get problems solved, our civil servants hid behind previous decisions that the Council had made on certain issues years and years ago, and I found that only a small percentage of our civil servants would try and come up with a "lets see just what we can do" attitude to try and resolve some of the issues that I found myself dealing with.
 

[mtread]

Wait until VNA gets home and sees that!    .

What I will say, is that the good ones I was referring to are all now ex Conservatives. Perhaps that tells you something 

[YamFazFan]

It's too late for the old 'ex Conservatives' ruse, he'll see straight through it.


Look, do as I did when I slipped up on Brexit and say you were drunk

[YamFazFan]

Wait until VNA gets home and sees that!    .

What I will say, is that the good ones I was referring to are all now ex Conservatives. Perhaps that tells you something 

Is there such a thing as a good ex Conservative, or some very good Tory Ministers recently?. VNA?

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Quote from: mtread on Today at 12:00:43 PM

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What I will say, is that the good ones I was referring to are all now ex Conservatives. Perhaps that tells you something 
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Is there such a thing as a good ex Conservative, or some very good Tory Ministers recently?. VNA?

 Well I remember standing outside the Home Office in Glasgow one cold night some 15 years ago.  We were holding a vigil against dawn raids on ‘failed asylum seekers’ in the city.  Umm somebody had wrapped some heavy-duty chains around the main gate.  The Home Office had a habit of sending it’s ‘immigration enforcement officers’ out in the small hours to smash down the doors of families and detain them for deportation.  The vans were ready to go, but well that night, and indeed night after night they were unable to go anywhere.   Amongst the many standing on the street in protest were some interesting people, one was a Tory MP. 
 
But what I think the point Mtread was making, is that many Tory MP’s can operate within the rules, and also carry out their work in a reasonable manner whilst respecting those that work with them and for them.  It’s not too much to ask.  Preti Patel, it appears is not one such person, not only does it appear that she is unable to behave reasonably with respect to those that work with her or for her, but she seems to think that she is exempted from the general rules of government. 
 

[YamFazFan]

Is there such a thing as a good ex Conservative, or some very good Tory Ministers recently?. VNA?

So is that a 'yes'?

[YamFazFan]

But what I think the point Mtread was making, is that many Tory MP’s can operate within the rules, and also carry out their work in a reasonable manner whilst respecting those that work with them and for them.  It’s not too much to ask.

Do you think that should also apply to the Speakers Of The House Of Commons?

[steve 10562cc]

Obviously not when your a remoaner

[YamFazFan]

‘failed asylum seekers’

Why the quotation marks?. Were they not who the government said they were?

‘immigration enforcement officers’

Ditto...

[mtread]

Do you think that should also apply to the Speakers Of The House Of Commons?

It should apply to everyone. You should respect people you work with, even when you disagree with them. Not bully them or belittle them in front of others.
Of course it's too late to sack the previous Speaker. It's not too late to sack Patel 

[mtread]

One other thing to take into account :
This year's Civil Servants' pay rise - 1%
MPs' pay rise - 3.1%

[YamFazFan]

Of course it's too late to sack the previous Speaker. It's not too late to sack Patel 

Isn't the Speaker unsackable though?. That makes it even worse