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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: phonesurgeon on 07 September 2014, 08:15:26 am
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Morning foccers I ve recently got my first Frazer an so far pleased with it.
I ve found this forum a wealth of good tinkering info.
I ve done the headlight mod... Now I have 2 light... A nice improvement although still not a lot of light.
I was thinking to convert bulbs to HID ones( proper hid with ballast) for both side as I have a H1 an a H4 kit from previous bikes.
Has anyone done it? Consumption should t be an issue as normal bulbs are 55v x2, whereas HID would be 35v x2.
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Or you could use nightbreaker bulbs, another improvement over standard, and stops all the faffing about and legal gamble with HID.
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Watch video
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,11494.75.html (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,11494.75.html)
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Or you could use nightbreaker bulbs, another improvement over standard, and stops all the faffing about and legal gamble with HID.
Stevie have you used these, are they a straight swap, and worth the money i.e. in improvement?
Cheers Nick
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Had them in my gen II and they made a huge difference!
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OK guys I have also a pair of H4 night breakers... I'll try those an report back. That video was interesting but at 220 euro a bit out of my budget.
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Nice one buddy.
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Sorry stevie are they a straight swap even in a 600?
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Or you could use nightbreaker bulbs, another improvement over standard, and stops all the faffing about and legal gamble with HID.
I have the headlight mod and two night breakers. No issues at all. Very bright
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Sorry stevie are they a straight swap even in a 600?
They surely are if you get the correct bulbs. Is one a H4, and the other a H2? Can't remember off the top of my head.
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H1 bulb on left and H4 on right
Straight swap.
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I put a H1 HID conversion on my bike last night!! Wow!! What a difference!! The internal reflector cup had worked its way loose, so that also go removed!
I don't think I will ever use main beam now, the light looks so 'dirty' in colour compared to the 'clean' light produced by the HID.
The H4 HID conversion maybe next...
Greg
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This had been covered so so many times in this forum and other. Some have had success at MoT time, others less so. The law covers cars only so there is a loophole but technically they are illegal as they are not factory fitted and have no levelling system, both a legal requirement. So it comes down to whether you want to chance it and how'supportive' Your MoT centre are. By the way, if an item passes an MoT then it *is*deemed to be safe and legal.... Contrary to popular belief ... From gov.uk website for motorcycles:-
An MOT certificate confirms that at the time of the test, without dismantling, the vehicle met the minimum acceptable environmental and road safety standards required by law. It does not mean that the vehicle is roadworthy for the life of the certificate. The test does not cover the condition of the engine, clutch or gearbox.
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H1 bulb on left and H4 on right
Straight swap.
Ah but you are talking about a box eye, mine is a fox eye. So where does that leave me?
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dazzled :rollin
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I changed just my dip beam light to HID with ballast, passed MOT no probs, lights are excellent
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I changed just my dip beam light to HID with ballast, passed MOT no probs, lights are excellent
Have you got a link mate to the HID kit you used, please, and address of MoT centre you used. I'll take mine there.
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Hi This is the Ebay item number, the guy is very helpful, my Fazer was MOT'd in Huntingdon, not sure what part of the world you are in.
eBay item number:
380993979690
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cheers mate,
this is like the cheap kit I bought off ebay, which failed an MoT because it was not housed in a projector unit and the reflector in the stock headlight housing messes up the pattern of the HID light. So the tester claimed. Anyway it failed.
I've seen the more sophisticated projector HID mod , this I believe does pass MoT
Strange that your's passed, which is why I asked for the address; if you have a contact number I would like to speak to the tester?
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Hi folks, I would suggest caution re fitting HID to a Fazer. You don't want some poor old dear getting blinded on a damp night while you are gently accelerating, and swerving into your path.
Ideally we need self-levelling headlamps as the law requires.
This would be possible, with a bit of jiggery pokery, bowden cable and careful alteration of the headlamp shell to alter headlamp azimuth with rise/fall of suspension
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Night breakers unlimited arrived today an duly swapped. Now night ride an report finding. Wish me luck foccer's....
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Night breakers unlimited arrived today an duly swapped. Now night ride an report finding. Wish me luck foccer's....
I would but the 'L' in my luck has been replaced with an 'F'. :D
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Thanks... I guess?
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Thanks... I guess?
Keep us posted.
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Will do
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I don't see a problem really.
Interesting article here:
http://www.kwecars.com/high-intensity-headlamps-hid-and-the-mot/#.VBg9i_ldX-U (http://www.kwecars.com/high-intensity-headlamps-hid-and-the-mot/#.VBg9i_ldX-U)
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Interesting if you own a car and it's a classic
Loads of interesting articles out there, 000s on HID probably. But what actually counts is the DVSA (not VOSA ;)) regs, how MoT centres enforce it, what traffic police deploy in terms of policy, and.. a bit of luck if you get stopped or an old woman gets dazzled and drives into you
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Finally got a chance to check out my new night breakers bulbs. A whole lot difference I can actually see the road now. But I reckon it could be better still. Perhaps some auxiliary light down below the sides.
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Ditto!
I use nightbreaker unlimited, 55W each, and the all important LUMENS which is the useable light, is around 1650 lumens. The 35W HID bulbs draw less current but put out over 3000 lumens so twice as much. So yeah, the HID is better but two osrams putting out 3000 lumens together is just as good as a single HID which I've seen these newer bikes running on. Of course, before foccers jumpo in with the science, I'm generalising here and there are variables which affect both solutions, but IN GENERAl, the lumens from two osrams is the same as one HID albeit the color temp is around 3500K on the osram compared to about 6-8K on the HID, so a bit more "yellow" osram light but still quite acceptable and way better than stock haolgen.
All in all, not a bad trade off and save silly money on a HID conversion
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Sat in start/stop traffic late last night for around 20mins behind a traffic police car, he did not seem to care my bike was running HIDs even when I purposely accelerated a bit hard to raise the beam. In all honesty I struggled to get it above his rear number plate, so i'm sure the issue with 'dazzling some old dear' is a bit of a myth.....
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It's no myth, just depends on which cop sees it, and if he knows about the HID rules and regs. Its similar to how many cops pull bikers with loud exhausts to check if they're stamped up? Not many I can tell you!
Looks like you got lucky with this one that either doesn't care they're HID, or just doesn't know.
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It's no myth, just depends on which cop sees it, and if he knows about the HID rules and regs. Its similar to how many cops pull bikers with loud exhausts to check if they're stamped up? Not many I can tell you!
Looks like you got lucky with this one that either doesn't care they're HID, or just doesn't know.
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agree wit Stevie.
I normally rideout with between 3-6 pals. Each of us has our own story. Some been pulled with HID every time they go out. Some never. Some with a loud can, some never. Some just because they're on a bike get a pull for a routine stop-n-check "did you know your light is out governor!". Some cops are great , others are wankers. Its all down to luck. Others on here will have their own story, successes and sobs.
Only sure way is to keep that old stock headlight unit and bulbs, just in case, and otherwise trump up the cash for HID, ride and enjoy. I can't be arsed with it all and two nightbreaker unlimited is more than fine.
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Bear in mind that I haven't shelled out for my HID. They were kindly donated from a mate who's given up biking. I had to buy the night breaker (unlimited) and so far so good. I may attempt the projector route... When I get a bit of time
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A kind mate indeed :thumbup
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Same for me, I would never have purchased them, I had them as a bonus from ebay when I purchased a spare front fairing that turned up with the lights included :D