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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: old son on 14 September 2017, 04:28:54 pm

Title: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 14 September 2017, 04:28:54 pm
I am hoping to tackle the clutch basket mod this week. This mod allows more oil to get to the clutch plates and hopefully stops them sticking. If it works I'll let you know ;)
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: sirgalahad3 on 14 September 2017, 06:52:37 pm
I'm interested in that.
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 15 September 2017, 01:28:00 pm
I always thought it was the stiction o fthe oil that made them stick together.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 17 September 2017, 03:17:13 pm
Took the clutch out but the special tool I bought to remove the basket was the wrong one!! The existing clutch was very dry. It has done 98,000 miles and the whole clutch was still in great condition. I fitted new plates and springs, I had soaked the pates for 4 days.

Bike has much smoother gear changes which proves to me the clutch pack needs more oil so I'll get hold of the correct special tool, take it all out again and drill more holes.

One thing I did find strange was that the pin that connects the lever spindle to the clutch basket was very 'floppy'. It has all gone back ok but I expected the pin to be a little more sturdy.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: sirgalahad3 on 17 September 2017, 03:23:33 pm
Oh what a pissa!
Could you not put it in gear and press brake lever to lock it up to get it apart?
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 17 September 2017, 07:33:49 pm
Tried that.  The centre nut was just so tight. Its only an hours work to strip it out again.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 18 September 2017, 07:16:07 am
Can anybody tell if the pin (with the notch at the top) that you see when you take the clutch cover off, the one held by the cover that is bolted in with the six screws and clutch springs, should be tight in its hole?

Mine was very sloppy and whilst I thought it cant be right I refitted it and the bike broke down on the way to work. There is not enough movement of the lever the cable connects to on top of the clutch housing and I wonder if the pin has moved to one side. Thanks
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 19 September 2017, 11:30:57 am
It turned out to be a cable issue and not the clutch mechanism. The outer cable became compressed leaving too much inner cable for the distance involved. This resulted in no clutch lever. A new cable and all sorted. I am thinking of refitting my original clutch springs. The heavy duty ones are very heavy and I am worried the nipples on the cable will break.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: Gaz66 on 19 September 2017, 08:21:42 pm
Hi Matey.


Can i suggest you try using 3 new springs & 3 old springs in a Triangle formation, this will give you more spring pressure than 6 old springs but won't be as heavy as 6 new heavy duty springs... (An old racing trick) to find enough spring pressure without clutch slip at high RPM with the bonus of a lighter clutch lever feel.




Regarding drilling the basket for better oil flow, this is a free Mod that actually works wonders on any wet multi-plate clutch.


Personally I drill all my clutch baskets, I've found it works well if you get a marker pen & mark the location of the steels on the basket, then drill 3mm holes in these areas, I stagger my drilling in a spiral type pattern & slightly countersink all holes drilled, this massively improves oil flow throughout the plates & I've yet to see a dry plate after this Mod.




Hope this suggestion helps?
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 20 September 2017, 06:46:28 am
Hi Matey.


Can i suggest you try using 3 new springs & 3 old springs in a Triangle formation, this will give you more spring pressure than 6 old springs but won't be as heavy as 6 new heavy duty springs... (An old racing trick) to find enough spring pressure without clutch slip at high RPM with the bonus of a lighter clutch lever feel.

Regarding drilling the basket for better oil flow, this is a free Mod that actually works wonders on any wet multi-plate clutch.

Personally I drill all my clutch baskets, I've found it works well if you get a marker pen & mark the location of the steels on the basket, then drill 3mm holes in these areas, I stagger my drilling in a spiral type pattern & slightly countersink all holes drilled, this massively improves oil flow throughout the plates & I've yet to see a dry plate after this Mod.
Hope this suggestion helps?

Thanks Gaz, I'll give the spring trick a try.

I was going to drill 4mm holes, any issues? Countersunk on what side of the basket?

I saw an American site where they cut a small trough from the existing holes in the back plate up to the lip around the edge of the plate. Looks easy and was going to do that as well.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: Dustydes on 21 September 2017, 10:21:21 am

I saw an American site where they cut a small trough from the existing holes in the back plate up to the lip around the edge of the plate. Looks easy and was going to do that as well.



Old trick used on a few bikes including the old fzr


http://www.factorypro.com/tech/clutch_y.html (http://www.factorypro.com/tech/clutch_y.html)
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 21 September 2017, 02:16:40 pm

I saw an American site where they cut a small trough from the existing holes in the back plate up to the lip around the edge of the plate. Looks easy and was going to do that as well.



Old trick used on a few bikes including the old fzr


[url]http://www.factorypro.com/tech/clutch_y.html[/url] ([url]http://www.factorypro.com/tech/clutch_y.html[/url])

That's the site I saw it on. It does look quite easy to do.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: Andy W on 22 September 2017, 06:47:33 pm
Hmm, free mods are def. the very best ones!  :rolleyes
Sounds like a few hours well spent...when you tackle it again, how about photos as you go so even a numpty like me can have a go?!!!  :eek
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: b1k3rdude on 25 September 2017, 02:54:25 pm
Personally I drill all my clutch baskets, I've found it works well if you get a marker pen & mark the location of the steels on the basket, then drill 3mm holes in these areas, I stagger my drilling in a spiral type pattern & slightly countersink all holes drilled, this massively improves oil flow throughout the plates & I've yet to see a dry plate after this Mod.
So you have an FZS1000 and have done this..? got pictures as I would very interested in seeing this..
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: Spannerhands on 26 September 2017, 11:51:12 am

Can anybody tell if the pin (with the notch at the top) that you see when you take the clutch cover off, the one held by the cover that is bolted in with the six screws and clutch springs, should be tight in its hole?

Mine was very sloppy and whilst I thought it cant be right I refitted it and the bike broke down on the way to work. There is not enough movement of the lever the cable connects to on top of the clutch housing and I wonder if the pin has moved to one side. Thanks


Mine is extremely sloppy. Makes getting the clutch cover back on a right faf
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 26 September 2017, 08:37:51 pm


Can anybody tell if the pin (with the notch at the top) that you see when you take the clutch cover off, the one held by the cover that is bolted in with the six screws and clutch springs, should be tight in its hole?

Mine was very sloppy and whilst I thought it cant be right I refitted it and the bike broke down on the way to work. There is not enough movement of the lever the cable connects to on top of the clutch housing and I wonder if the pin has moved to one side. Thanks


Mine is extremely sloppy. Makes getting the clutch cover back on a right faf


That is good news then. I thought I had issues with mine.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 01 October 2017, 09:18:02 pm

Well, carried out the clutch basket mod. I drilled an extra 2 holes on the side of the basket so I now have three sets of 2 rather than the original 2 sets of 2. I also drilled another hole through the back and went up a drill size on the existing holes. I also countersank the holes of the back.


The hardest part was bending the locking snib back to secure the main nut, It took almost 30 minutes but its done now. I'll try it out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: unfazed on 02 October 2017, 12:06:19 am

Well, carried out the clutch basket mod. I drilled an extra 2 holes on the side of the basket so I now have three sets of 2 rather than the original 2 sets of 2. I also drilled another hole through the back and went up a drill size on the existing holes. I also countersank the holes of the back.
The hardest part was bending the locking snib back to secure the main nut, It took almost 30 minutes but its done now. I'll try it out tomorrow.

 :useless
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 02 October 2017, 06:30:58 am
Its very difficult to take pictures when you are smothered in crap and trying to get the job done. Its a very simple job, as I have already stated, the hardest part is removing and bending back the locking tab on the centre nut. The clutch basket is of sufficient depth you cant easily get anything on the tab and I didn't want to use the edge of the basket as a lever because I just know it will break.
Title: Re: Clutch Basket Mod
Post by: old son on 09 October 2017, 01:04:37 pm
Had this mod in place for over a week now. Gear changes much smoother, especially when changing down. Well worth the hassle and not particularly difficult to do.