Fazer Owners Club - Unofficial
Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: dazza on 24 May 2012, 05:05:04 pm
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OK people, in my quest to see how far I can go on one tank of fuel I think I may have stumbled on either a discrepency on what actual capacity the tank is or what I suspect is us being ripped off at the pumps. When I had reached 230 miles I stopped and checked my tank. There still looked a fair bit of fuel in the bottom so I carried on. I stopped and checked again at 250 and although not dry things looked a little bleak. I made my way to the nearest and cheapest petrol station when with in 100 yards of the forecourt the engine cut out showing 253.3 miles. As my intention was to see how far it would go I came prepared with some spare fuel. At a guess I must have put about 1 litre of fuel in before topping the tank with 21.49 l of fuel. So either our tanks are bigger than we think or fuel pumps are callibrated wrong in order to rip us off. I know I must take in to consideration fuel pipes and carbs but can not see this being as much as 1 and a half litres. Would be interested to hear your views maybe someone can enlighten me.
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We for a guy at work who takes pride in driving his 350Z very slowly and achieving over 30mpg.
So firstly, just ride the darn thing for gods sake :lol
Tank capacity? I'm guessing, but there's that steel tube that goes into the tank a wee bit from the filler cap. Tank should probably have an air gap at the top, perhaps to take care of fuel and vapour expansion in warm weather/direct sunlight.
So I'm thinking you kept working at it and filled a good bit of the air gap.
But really I dunno, and nor should any of us care. 250 plus miles, bloody norra. Got 200 once on holiday, and I was worried I was gonna run out and get stuck.
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214 miles and 22.01 litres went in - didn't run out either.
Whale
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160 knocking about, maybe 200 on a good long run. At morrisons yesterday, my light came on i rode for 5 miles more, took my time filling the tank & put in 17.5 lts, gen 1- 55 reg.
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F*****g Gen1 riders :lol
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C'mon Locksmith, enlighten us. What range are you getting ? :D
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At a guess ..................... before topping the tank with 21.49 l of fuel.
do you see your problem here........you don't know how much you topped up with to get to the petrol station. tbh if it was only 100 yds i would have pushed it and got a precis-ish reading.
i used to wonder how my fellow bm riders always got 30+ miles to a tankful to me, after a year of ownership i discovered another 3 litres if you topped up sat on the bike.
and 253 miles.................YOU POOFTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree sadlonelygit but believe me there was no way I was pushing it. As for being a poofter :eek GUILTY AS CHARGED :lol
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fill take to bottom of that tube thingy. ride 100 miles. fill tank to bottom of that tube thingy. use litres/gallons used to work out l/mpg. Useful this cos you can see what 100 miles of steady riding is to 100 miles of brisk riding. Accelerating hard is what uses fuel and at 250 miles to a tank I suspect your not thrashing it away from the lights etc
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At least were talking "Real World" consumption figures unlike the fiction that car manufacturers quote in their ads-from the ridiculous european consumption tests!
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just another thought. Trading standard measure the pumps and test for pump accuracy. I think this is a legal requirement and you can contact your county council if you think the pumps are inaccurate. More than likely the bike tanks aren't 100% and have an inbuilt expansion area for hot days as mentioned earlier.
Mickey
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Haven't heard from locksmith about his gen 2 range :2fingers Still, must be difficult juggling computer & forecourt time :pokefun
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At least were talking "Real World" consumption figures unlike the fiction that car manufacturers quote in their ads-from the ridiculous european consumption tests!
I can't make head or tail of the offcial figures published in car ads etc. All I know is that everybody says there is no point in trying to understand them as they are pure bollocks.
The other thing I know is that my boring VW Bora does about 32mpg. But I'll stick with it due to the cost of changing. Oh, and now the tax disk costs me more than the insurance. Shocking.
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This could be an urban myth ... or not. I heard once that if you fill up as quickly as you can a fuel pump tends to over-register the amount dispensed, and if you fill up slowly you have a chance of getting a bit more actual fuel out for the same measured (and charged for) amount. The chances are that if your tank is very nearly empty you'll use the pump at a higher flow rate than if you're only putting a small amount in. But, like I say, I don't know whether that's true or just a myth.
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I know at least once I filled up my speed triple with 17.5 litres yet its only 18 litres tank...gord knows how 0.5 litres gets efficiently sucked by fuel pump...so maybe true capacity is a bit more??
I also fell out with a local garage ( run by eastern ethnic origin gentlemen) cos I could not believe how much fuel was needed for a top up !, and my mpg had fell off remarkably ...suspicion is the pumps aint accurate...but nobody will come out and check them there and then.
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If you fill in the early morning or late evening when temperature reduced you will get more fuel in your tank than in the midday heat.
The best way to test mpg/ kmpL is as mentioned: Fill to base of tube. Zero trip Ride fixed distance. Refill tank to same point. Read elapsed mileage from trip & do calculation. Actual consumption depends on so many variables, most of which are under riders direct control.
Used to drive a Merc Sprinter with all the bells & whistles including real time fuel consumption [size=78%]display Hard driving/fully laden returned <29mpg(diesel)[/size]
Economy mode/Empty>38mpg@ steady 60mph. :)
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Haven't heard from locksmith about his gen 2 range :2fingers Still, must be difficult juggling computer & forecourt time :pokefun
Feck you all :b
I get uuuurrrr oh alright a LOT less miles per tank than you lot, BUT, I dont smell of wee. :evil
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Glad your doing your bit for the economy,Locksmith! ;) And I dont smell of wee (i change my underpants frequently!) :lol
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250 miles to a tankful!!! F*ck me, I managed to get 130 out of mine today, fuel light to fuel light, and I was happy! Mind you it was very brisk riding indeed! ;) But i believe has already mentioned the obvious, just ride it, enjoy it, fill it...repeat....
Or buy a diesel Bullet, if your that bothered about fuel economy and figures!
:lol
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I'm interested in ALL the facts and figures of the bike, including performance and the limits of tyre grip. I have to find out how fast it will go, how far over I can lean it before my tyres give me a warning that there about to let go and of course when you feel like taking it easy what sort of milage you can achieve.Surely this is what the fazer is all about as an all rounder and getting to know your limits in all departments is getting to know your bike. Mind you, the thought that Ive got 9 points on my licence does help make me slow down sometimes. :bobby
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After eight years of ownership, I've only just started monitoring the fuel consumption on my Fazer and I've been quite surprised at how good it is. There's been the odd track day when it's done a tank in 80 miles, but also the odd long distance jaunt on the continent when I've seen over 200 miles on a tank, but even on my commute it's been getting over 46 to the gallon, and that's whanging it around, revving the nuts off it as well as 30 miles of motorway. Is there no end to the surprises this amazing bike keeps giving us?
I really need to buy another and keep it under a sheet for when mine finally gives up the ghost.
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At a guess I would say that bikes are built on the basis that you aren't
going to brim the tank. The manuals for my bike (i think) have said you
shouldn't fill the tank past a certian level (which everyone I know ignores)
so I'd guess that extra bit that is supposed to be left unfiled along with
the pipes and tubes might account for the extra? Or maybe the reserve
level is set higher than listed for people who ride thier tanks into the reserve
(which I done only last week).
Fuzzy
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Haven't heard from locksmith about his gen 2 range :2fingers Still, must be difficult juggling computer & forecourt time :pokefun
I was chatting to a gen 2 rider the other day at the biker parking where I work
and he said he generally get 90 to 120 miles till the fuel light. But I have no idea
what sort of speed/style his riding is.
Fuzzy
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Just a little update to irritate certain people :D Just beat my old record of 253.3 miles. New record......256.2 and still didn't run out completely. Started to cough and splutter so filled up with 22.4litres. Why do I do this you may ask.....I say, Why not...! :)
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Ooo I thought the tank capacity was 21 litres, how did you get 22.4 in it??
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I get great economy out of my bike, I ride fairly fast but maybe not thrash it through the gears so much. Like someone said earlier this IS the all rounder of bikes. It'll plod along in 6th at 20mph all the way to 150+. I know because I've done it, weekly. I can't see me ever changing it I look at nice shiny new stuff but it's definitely no better but uses way more fuel for the same performance.
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i have managed 160 before light but no more
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I put the nozzle in the tank and just kept squeezing the trigger until all the air in the tank was gone. It takes a while as you think its full but the level drops allowing you to squirt in a bit more. My light came on at 180 miles and from then on I was gentle with the throttle. 76 miles on reserve, for me thats handy to know it can do that. Btw, I agree with you fireblake it certainly would be hard to find a modern replacement.
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well I have managed to get 55 mpg out of my fazer whilst touring ( keeping to legal speeds and gentle throttle use), and that consumption goes skyward on the motorway, especially at 100 mph or more cruising. The engine is fab, its a very efficient converter of fuel to energy , so gentle use will give much more mpg. As for true tank capacity ...most I have ever put in is 20.5 litres , thats with fuel light on for ages.The range will depend on just how careful you are on the throttle.
as a comparison my latest bike will do 38mpg at 100 mph , 62 mpg at 55 mph....got the chance to test both speeds on seperate days on my euro tour. In the UK its hard to just potter about if you only ride say once a week!....but on tour you do get the chance to really have a go at getting max fuel consumption.
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When i was researching which bike to buy next, the biggest gripe with Fazer owners was the low MPG from there bikes,
but oddly reading this it goes from 130 miles per tank to 250 , so whats their problem,,if they only get 120 then thats because they are ripping it up,cant do both.
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Simple, you've got a Gen 2. The rest of us talking in this thread have got Gen 1s. :)
Can't be them there carbs, cowboy! :lol:
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Those are gen 1 figures, gen 2 is a diff story :P
I seem to get around 40 mpg most of the time and for a 140bhp + ltr engine that's not bad
The 1250 bandit was 1 mpg better but nowhere near the fun on the same trips. So much for fi :P
Really want to test a ZX1000sx for a few days to see its real mpg figures as its the nearest to a well sorted gen 1 I have found.
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Commuting to work on my Gen2 I managed to get 48 mpg out of a tank - 150 miles to nearly empty. Not great but good to know can do it (mix of a roads and motorways sticking to limits more or less)
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I zeroed my milo and filled up with shell super, 109 miles on the clock and started it up at a cafe yesterday and the last black mark on fuel gauge started to flash,,109 i thought,not good,,as i rode looking for fuel the flashing bar stayed constant , when i fefuelled it only took 11.45 litres to the spout neck,,
so if the tank is ,what 18 litres?, then the gauge is set a bit high,and there was loads left in the tank,,
whats the capacity of a gen 2 tank?
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whats the capacity of a gen 2 tank? - not enough :rollin
18 lts according to the manual with a reserve of 3.4 lts
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Just a little update to irritate certain people :D Just beat my old record of 253.3 miles. New record......256.2 and still didn't run out completely. Started to cough and splutter so filled up with 22.4litres. Why do I do this you may ask.....I say, Why not...! :)
How the chuffing hell are you doing this??? i think once i just got over 200 and the light came on...i that was riding like a saint. normally light on at 180ish.
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How am I doing it. Well for starters going easy on the throttle but have had a few full throttle moments as well. secondly when I fill up I absolutely brim it, can take ages But most importantly forget about the natural urge to fill up when the light comes on and keep checking the old fashioned way by looking in the tank and giving it a little slosh around . When you think you are dangerously low according to the gauge you'll be amazed at how much is still left in the tank when you look. Give it a try. I find it quite an amusing game to play and would love to see someone beat my record. A measured 1/2 L of fuel carried with you towards the end gives you the confidence to push it that bit further. ;)
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Very rarely let the tank run so low... Surely not a good thing suckin the crud that can gather there thru the fuel system?
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Very rarely let the tank run so low... Surely not a good thing suckin the crud that can gather there thru the fuel system?
This is probably the key to how he manages it! Fine particles of 'crud' have partially blocked his mains jets.
Expect a rather less smug report before long bemoaning fact the engine has gone pop.
:evil
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:lol What is this crud substance you talk of, I have only ever filled mine with petrol but if crud will make it go further, I may give this a try. :D My apologies Phil if I come across as smug, not my intention....Thought it may be of interest, that's all. ;)
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I regularly get 220 miles till the light comes on, then I fill it up
I do 17 miles each way comute. 20/80 split town and A roads. And although don't redline the whole journey I def get to work witha smile on my face!!!!!
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My apologies Phil if I come across as smug, not my intention....Thought it may be of interest, that's all. ;)
Nah, no need to apologise, I'm all tongue in cheek :b
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stories do abound with claims of this and that. The way I look at it , my bike has been dynoed with almost perfect fuel air ratio, giving me the best mix of power and economy for this engine. If 139 bhp at rear wheel combined with up to 55 mpg aint good enuff....try something else ! :lol
I had one of those perfect ride moments on sunday on my gen1, nice dry roads, the suspension was behaving perfectly , the drive from the engine was awesome, top gear pull from just 4k rpm was terrific...after 7 weeks on another bike, I just wallowed in the bikes stunning power and acceleration coupled with superb handling. TBH all thoughts of buying a new multistrada have now gone out of my head.This gen1 has everything I need on the road....
I aint particularly fussed with getting 250 miles to a tank when my bike performs so dynamically... :)
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i got about 130 ,140 to a tank but will check and see how much my bike is doing to a tank full will try to not go above 90mph and take it easy and see how many miles it gets
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Don't often check MPG on bike but I did the other week got 48 mpg trying and I mean trying to keep up with mates, ducati 848 corse, R1. that was on mainly B roads, Selby to seaways and back to Squires.
Then another day me leading with another mate, same sort of roads, I got 60 mpg. still had some fun, don't know what I'd get riding steady, do that in the car 44mpg punto.
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The only thing I watch for, is how many miles before the reserve light comes on. If it'll do another 100 miles before the bike splutters to a grinding halt in the middle of nowhere, is of no interest to me.
The best Full-to-Reserve I've managed to date is 137 miles.
Tom
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An aging thread but I will add to it anyway.
I bought my Gen 2 3weeks ago, its all bog standard except a full fairing, scottoiler. No PC, FCE or race can etc.
Having had a quick read on the forum when I bought it, I was not surprised when the display tripped to reserve at 140 miles. I just filled it up and didn't look at how much went in. I did the same the next time I went for a ride.
This morning I had to fill up before going out, and happened to notice it was 11.75 litres? Hmmm, I thought it was an 18 litre tank.
Went out all day, nailing it all over the place, no economy riding whatsoever, and sure enough 140 miles and I was down to the last bar again. I filled up....11.75 litres again. Hmmmm.
Got home and did some calcs. I am getting 53mpg even when riding in Sunday Ride mode. Did some more calcs and realised that I have 73 miles left in the tank when that last bar flashes, so no more mad panics for me, it's a tank range of over 200 miles.
Does anyone have a Gen 2 tank that actually hits reserve in the tank, when it displays on the fuel gauge, eg 3.5 litres left?, and is there anything that can be done to make it work that way?
Rob
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ref - gen2 fuel consumption. Well if you do keep the revs down, a stock gen2 will probably get similar mpg to a gen1, but its a very revvy engine, all the power is stacked at the very topend of the rev range ( u need 7k to start to access it)...so if you start using it that consumption will soar. I had one, had 45 mpg bimbling along , maybe 35 if I used it hard. Thats how the gen1 scores cos of its mid range torque you dont have to cane it to make very swift progress= good mpg. Use both hard and consumption will be similar.
On last years euro tour with Dek ( on his gen2), when we filled up we used one pump, and similar fuel amounts were going into each bike , and as we were riding together , we were doing similar speeds.
Ultimately the combo of revvy engine, and small fuel tank is the gen2s achilles heel.
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I zeroed my milo and filled up with shell super, 109 miles on the clock and started it up at a cafe yesterday and the last black mark on fuel gauge started to flash,,109 i thought,not good,,as i rode looking for fuel the flashing bar stayed constant , when i fefuelled it only took 11.45 litres to the spout neck,,
so if the tank is ,what 18 litres?, then the gauge is set a bit high,and there was loads left in the tank,,
whats the capacity of a gen 2 tank?
Yes,my FZ1 scares you a bit early,, still loads of fuel left,,,light comes on early but enough for me to get 150 without worrying, not much goes in then though, so my riding style would run out of fuel at about 175 miles per tank
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I am going to get a nice 1 litre jug, and test the pump next time.
Have someone filming it to either see the fear in the staff's eyes or the looks of "what's up wiv that nutter?"
Or get a liquid flow gauge to test if the pump is wrong.
This started off as a joke, now there's a little part of me that wants to try it!
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Can a garage deliberately short change you on fuel. Are there official measurers out there touring the forecourts?
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There sure are, and if you think you are being short changed there should be a sticker on each pump with a number to call to get the pump checked by the correct weights and measures guys/girls.
On a more pressing note the amount of head on a pint can be checked too, with beer being about £4 a litre its more expensive than petrol!!
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I think the sticker also tells you the last time it was checked by weights and measures. It would be very unlikely for a pump to give false readings, the fallout from something like that would be very bad for business. The pumps and meters within are sealed so the settings can't be altered by the owner.
I just wish Yamaha had taken a little time and trouble to set up the float in the FZ1S tank more accurately. To start blinking when their are still 6 litres left in the tank is a bit ridiculous. Thats 30% of a full tank still left.
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With a little bit of patience at the pump.
21 liters is to the bottom of the filler neck,
Going as close as you can to the top of the filler is about 22.5,
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That's exactly what I've found which is as near as dammit 5 gals so if you can average just over 50 mpg which is possible then 250+ miles to a tank is achieveable by everyone with the exception of a few on here who can't seem to control their right hand :lol
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ive always found that if you fill up then ride what ever distance takes your fancy.
fill up again then divide litres used by miles travelled timezed by .... wait for it
4. 5461 = mpg.