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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: robertm113 on 13 March 2015, 11:22:40 am
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Hi everyone,
Seeking some help on an FZ1/FZS1000.
Recently put down a deposit on a FZS1000 2002 in a dealership in Yorkshire, but turned out with a bit of research (I work in a Yam dealership) that it's an American import, which didn't trouble me too much.
But with a bit more research, I've recently found out that in October 2007 it was stolen and recovered in the US. Then imported in the UK in 2010.
Is there any way of finding out full history of mileage etc from it's time in the US.. every web search I've done comes back with VIN checks and doesn't give me any information about the US DFT.
Also, the mileage is only at 10,800 miles, which makes me think that the clocks might have been changed when importing into the UK.
Any help is much appreciated.
Regards, Rob.
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Walk away
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Walk away
I'm really tempted, but it looks in pretty good condition and I've put a £750 deposit down.
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i would be politely and firmly asking for my 750 notes back.
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Yeh. On the info you have recieved i would run for the hills with my diposit in my arse pocket.
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If they havent advertised it as an import then you should be entitled to your deposit back.
From someone who makes daft decisions with bikes...........dont buy it.
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hi mate im guessing that as you did your own research and the dealership did not inform you of this info you have as strong case for a refund.i would take it and find something else probably get a decent bike off here as most members on here are genuine bikers who arent in it for the profit good luck -- :)
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Thanks for your input..
A link is here - [size=78%]http://www.craigshonda.com//used/bike/831/548775/2002-02-reg-yamaha-fzs1000-1000-fazer-very-good-condition.aspx (http://www.craigshonda.com//used/bike/831/548775/2002-02-reg-yamaha-fzs1000-1000-fazer-very-good-condition.aspx)[/size]
and this is the original eBay listing - [size=78%]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZ1-S-1000cc-2002-with-10-886-miles-Very-Good-Conditon-/251818099852?nma=true&si=C8LrFS3UzixRFJadrW2yHsyxdZI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-FZ1-S-1000cc-2002-with-10-886-miles-Very-Good-Conditon-/251818099852?nma=true&si=C8LrFS3UzixRFJadrW2yHsyxdZI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)[/size]
I've never asked for a deposit back before, do I have any legal rights other than it's not listed as an import?
Or would it be worth just asking for a considerable discount based on the information I've received?
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just read the ad it says hpi clear ,i might be wrong but does that not show history of finance and/or insurance claims am not sure but i think thats the case--apologies if im wrong i would still walk away
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just read the ad it says hpi clear ,i might be wrong but does that not show history of finance and/or insurance claims am not sure but i think thats the case--apologies if im wrong i would still walk away
It would only show claims etc that's happened since importing it in 2010 and nothing prior to that. However it would show if the bike was an import or not, so the e-mail I received from him saying 'he didn't know' is a load of shit >:
Either way, I'm definitely going to ask for my £750 back and hopefully find a better one in a faster colour.. :lol
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The American market bikes are called FZ1
In the advert it is first listed as an FZS1000...this is wrong if american import........then later it say FZ1....this is the dealer being smart by almost small print telling the truth about its real identity....but also proves that he does know it is an import.
So either those :faz decals have been added afterwards...or the whole front fairing has.
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Noggy is correct about the graphics on the fairing. They should be black and say FZ1 not a silver fazer decal, which you can buy on fleabay for a fiver. The dealer or previous owner has changed them, so you think it's a UK bike. Walk away
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The American market bikes are called FZ1
In the advert it is first listed as an FZS1000...this is wrong if american import........then later it say FZ1....this is the dealer being smart by almost small print telling the truth about its real identity....but also proves that he does know it is an import.
So either those :faz decals have been added afterwards...or the whole front fairing has.
Agreed. Which also made me wonder if it's been in a bump, as the graphics are different. It all seems very dodgy to me now.
Would it be worth me offering him £750 more to purchase? (£1500 in total) or literally just ask for my money back?
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Ask for your money back, as the bike has been wrongly advertised and you have been mis sold information regarding the bike. Tell him if he won't give you your money back that it won't look good from his point of view as several people have looked at his ad on this forum and if he doesn't give you the full deposit back it will not be favourable to his business. ;)
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i think it depends upon what you are intending to use the bike for. if this is a put the miles on it commuter that you intend to run into the ground then it's possibly worth 1500. however if it's to be cherished and enjoyed in the sun then it's going to be very difficult to move on when you decide to change it and more difficult to justify 1500 notes.
it also depends upon how difficult or easy it is for you to earn/make/save 1500. if very easy then it doesn't matter if you can't get rid of the bike so easily.
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Thank you all once again for your input, you've been very welcoming.
I've just sent an e-mail to the sales chap hopefully he'll refund me.. it shows on my receipt as a 'part payment' and not a deposit.. doesn't that make a difference?
My e-mail reads....
"Hi Keith,
I'm sorry to tell you but I don't want the bike any longer, unless you're willing to accept an extra £750.00 and sell the bike for a total £1,500.00.
I've just found out today that this bike was recorded as a 'total loss' on 22/10/2007 in the US, due to theft, in other words 'a write off'. [/size]Not long after that in 2010 it was then imported in to the UK, by whom I don't know.
To be honest, I feel like I've almost been ripped off. There was always a reason why this bike was a good price for the mileage and I'm pretty sure I've gotten to the bottom of it, and I've got a strange feeling you knew this also.
I'm 100% certain you tried to flog the bike as a UK model, as nowhere in the listing did it state it was a 'parallel import', 'origin US' or 'US import'... the only slight mention of a clue did it state in the ad that the bike was an 'FZ1' which is what the model is marketed as in the US, not an 'FZS1000' as per the UK. I also have an e-mail saying you've no knowledge of the bike being an import, whereas with all due respect it would say whether or not it was an import on the HPI check which you've concluded.
I'm really disappointed you've not completed further checks with the DMV USA and list the bike as it is (once further checks have been completed), so a buyer is aware of what they're purchasing... an American import.
I was really looking forward to picking the bike up next weekend, but it looks as though I'm going to request a full refund of the £750.00 part payment I've made.
Look forward to your response.
Kind regards,
Robert Martin.
NOTE: e-mail from sales chap when I found out it was an import...
From: [/b]keith haunch (keith@craigshonda.co.uk)
Sent: [/b]18/02/2015 14:31
To: [/b]'robert martin' (robertmartin@live.co.uk)
Subject: [/b]RE: Yamaha Fazer 1000Hi Rob[/color] [/color]Well in fairness to me I would have told you IF I had known, as the bike is in MPH and has had MOT’s so would not have passed if the headlight had not been “correct”, I had no reason to know or assume otherwise etc[/color] [/color]We do not intentionally mislead and I can assure you that if I had been aware , then I would have told you.[/color]I agree that on a bike this age it is not an issue but also reiterate that on a personal note I would have mentioned it if there had been anything that had alerted me. I assume you have put the reg and chassis number into your system at work (I can do the same for Honda’s but not anything else)[/color] [/color]Will speak to you later when you are ready to proceed to delivery etc[/color] [/color]Regards[/color] [/color]Keith[/color] [/color]Keith J Haunch[/color]CRAIGS HONDA[/color] [/color](https://dub119.afx.ms/att/GetInline.aspx?messageid=b01eb4c5-c98d-11e4-945b-e83935b0df00&attindex=1&cp=-1&attdepth=1&imgsrc=cid%3aimage002.jpg%4001D05A50.B23F22B0&cid=eca5c8a5db3ad3ce&shared=1&hm__login=robertmartin&hm__domain=live.co.uk&ip=10.111.6.8&d=d2541&mf=0&hm__ts=Fri%2c%2013%20Mar%202015%2014%3a33%3a29%20GMT&st=robertmartin%25live.co.uk%407&hm__ha=01_d52a894478febcccc4262846b6c0324cc9bd1e88df3a0296f66cdcb27412c19a&oneredir=1)[/color]
From:[/b] robert martin [mailto:robertmartin@live.co.uk (robertmartin@live.co.uk)]
Sent: 18 February 2015 14:04
To: keith haunch
Subject: RE: Yamaha Fazer 1000
Hi Keith,
A couple of questions about the Fazer...
Seeing as I only just found out the bike is an American import, which is not a big issue but I'd like to have been told.
I'd imagine the clocks would be in MPH?
Also, is the headlight converted to RHD?
Kind regards,
Rob.
> From: keith@craigshonda.co.uk
> To: robertmartin@live.co.uk
> Subject: Yamaha Fazer 1000
> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:13:21 +0000
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> Hi Robert
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> Attached is the order for the Fazer 1000 showing your £250 deposit.
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> The details we will sort out a little later.
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> Kind regards
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> Keith
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Another dead give away its a USA import is the reflectors on the front forks and it should have them on the back as that's USA law. The fact they don't have them on the back indicates to me its been rear ended.
If these guys new their bikes they would certainly know that.......get your dosh back
Just to add, the USA model is a full powered 143 BHP, on the other hand if it was French it would be the restricted 100bhp model.....so nothing wrong with it being a parallel import.....its the fact its been recorded as a write off should be the basis of your refund.....if you have the proof that is
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Another dead give away its a USA import is the reflectors on the front forks and it should have them on the back as that's USA law. The fact they don't have them on the back indicates to me its been rear ended.
If these guys new their bikes they would certainly know that.......get your dosh back
Just to add, the USA model is a full powered 143 BHP, on the other hand if it was French it would be the restricted 100bhp model.....so nothing wrong with it being a parallel import.....its the fact its been recorded as a write off should be the basis of your refund.....if you have the proof that is
My proof is in the attachment.. if it works lol.
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This bike has not been honestly described and ,as BBB says , the front fork reflectors are a dead give-away-any dealer worth his salt would know this.
Also if it was stolen/stripped/recovered in the states how do you know the clocks are original & the indicated mileage is correct?
If something appears too good/cheap to be true then theres usually a reason. Get your money back--theres plenty good honestly described FZS 1000s come up for sale on here. Good luck!
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Don't forget that if it isn't an EU-market bike you will need to declare it an import on the insurance, it might mean more cash or reduce the panel of insurers willing to cover it.
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Don't forget that if it isn't an EU-market bike you will need to declare it an import on the insurance, it might mean more cash or reduce the panel of insurers willing to cover it.
Thanks for the heads up.
I've already received a few quotes around the £300 mark with declaring a parallel import. :)
[/size][size=78%]Looks as if it's not even going to matter any longer, if I get a refund. [/size]
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It might well have been rear ended, the number pate holder/tail tidy is not original, the way the wires are hanging not a good repair either
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There are plenty of used FZS1000 in better condition around, I would look for my money back based on the information you have discovered and walk away
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As per post number one and just about everyone else, get your money back and walk away.
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You will have the law on your side if he refuses to give you the money back. The advert says nothing about the 'total loss' and being an 'import'. In this country it would have an insurance classification as either a cat c or d if it was roadworthy after the theft/crash. If it was an uneconomical repair with major damage it would be a cat a or b - meaning it could not be put back on the road and only be used for spares... Trying to sell on a bike with cat c or d seriously reduces the value. Best of luck with the dealer... We all have his e mail address now :lol
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Another dead give away its a USA import is the reflectors on the front forks and it should have them on the back as that's USA law.
Also the indicators on the US model a much larger in size than the UK version. Also anyone noticed the whole rear mudguard is missing and some tail-plate thing in its place.
There are plenty of used FZS1000 in better condition around,
Have a look on this very forum, you'll find the Fazers on here in far better cond. and looked after than ones in dealers.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=16235.0 (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=16235.0)
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morning ,some years ago I brought a 600 fazer from one of the uk 's biggest chain ,after 12 months of proud ownership I took it for its mot (not at said stealer i got it from) it failed !!! turns out it had continental headlights in, and yes I only rode in daylight so I didn't notice the beam pattern ,after taking it back I was told I had damaged the bile and put cheap euro lights in . After checking all the hpi papers bill of sale etc saying it was a full uk bike I then checked with Yamaha direct who told me the bike was a Greek model . After speaking to a legal advisor and armed with all the evidence I went back and threatened them with the M.D of the company ,ministry of transport etc at that point I was offered a like for like exchange the only other fazer in stock was 3 years newer and lower mileage, result . so don't take no for an answer the law is on your side fight to get your brass back and walk away
PS my bike had come from Europe to northern Ireland registered there then on to the uk .Also another easy check for a euro bike is which side the steering lock is ,in case it falls over they are supposed to roll kerbside .
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Hello,
Thank's for all your advice and help.
Seeing as I work in a Yamaha and Suzuki main dealer, I decided my colleague Ken is much better at these things than me.
So he pretty much told them as it was, the bike's a write off and he wants his money back. They requested the proof of it being a write off which was emailed to them. They then came back and said we'll give your money back, but could you send the log book back first, I was gobsmacked a dealership would've sent a log book to someone who hadn't even paid? Initial thoughts were that they could say that I bought the bike off them and hadn't paid in full and could've sued me for the rest.. So we called back and they've apparently sent a cheque for the full £750 in the post tonight..
But thanks for all your help.
I've since decided to keep looking and not rush to buy the first fazer with low miles :lol
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Your cheque is in the post :lol
A bit like "I wont come in your mouth" :rollin
Good luck BTW
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Your cheque is in the post :lol
A bit like "I wont come in your mouth" :rollin
Good luck BTW
:lol or "of course i love you"... but we'll soon see.. surely there's only so much shit that can come out of someones mouth.
Cheers man.
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If your still looking for a FZS this may be of interest
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2461031592/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2461031592/)
Hope the link works, belongs to a mates dad, can honestly say it's a minter, also reckon he's asking around £500 less than he should be a true bargain for anyone that's after a Fazer.