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General => General => Topic started by: fazersharp on 27 February 2018, 12:06:15 pm
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I have taken this from the "what did you do with your Fazer thread so not to derail it.
I don't do rain but I do - do cold and been getting away with lots of thin layers, this lot
(http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6412.0;attach=31737;image)
The blue is a thin camping mat -crap for camping that fits the chest and wraps all the way around to my back and is both insulating and windproof.
The kidney belt as well as being extra lower back protection is also very good at keeping your core warm.
It has been pointed out to me that I should invest in a vest
Honestly Fazersharp, mate. Learn to spend a bit of money where your favourite things are concerned (e.g. riding your bike). Get yourself one of those Pertex wind shirts, like the cyclists use. Thin as a fag paper, weighs nothing, packs down tiny in a little stuff sack. Put it on under or over a pullover, makes one hell of a difference without bulking you out. If you need to be warmer still, try a down or primaloft jacket under your bike jacket - some have a Pertex outer layer, so they are very windproof, and come in different weights, so you still don't need to bulk up too much. Wind chill is half the battle.
This is the top I use:
[url]https://www.jackson-sports.com/en/gb/Montane-Featherlite-Pull-On/m-10281.aspx?PartnerID=2948&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=UnitedKingdom&gclid=CjwKCAiAoNTUBRBUEiwAWje2lqM2wXmauD3SheEVtyT6hXpJOH-IyJK47sT-W9iSZzOXIMN8x6geoxoCwpgQAvD_BwE[/url] ([url]https://www.jackson-sports.com/en/gb/Montane-Featherlite-Pull-On/m-10281.aspx?PartnerID=2948&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=UnitedKingdom&gclid=CjwKCAiAoNTUBRBUEiwAWje2lqM2wXmauD3SheEVtyT6hXpJOH-IyJK47sT-W9iSZzOXIMN8x6geoxoCwpgQAvD_BwE[/url])
Yeah, I know, pricey :eek but I got mine for £25 in a sale, so look out for such.
And if I need to be even warmer, I use one of these:
[url]https://www.climbers-shop.com/10900842/products/rab-generator-jacket.aspx[/url] ([url]https://www.climbers-shop.com/10900842/products/rab-generator-jacket.aspx[/url])
I don't want heated stuff just as thin a possible with wind stop to replace the 3 layers and the camping mat, good suggestions so far from the trimmer but looking for something that combines both. Like this https://www.evanscycles.com/endura-pro-sl-primaloft-jacket-EV305964 (https://www.evanscycles.com/endura-pro-sl-primaloft-jacket-EV305964) but I really dont want to pay that much -otherwise I will carry on with my stupid layers as they do work.
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I don't think i've ever worn that much clothing at the same time in all of my lifetime.
Maybe if i was doing a North Pole expedition.
Normally a short sleeved shirt under my jacket, or if it goes below freezing like today i'll add a vest :lol
You seriously need to invest in heated grips, they'll make a massive difference to you out in the cold, compared to not having them at all.
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My tank cover made my legs feel a lot warmer too, not having to grip bare metal.
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I don't think i've ever worn that much clothing at the same time in all of my lifetime.
Maybe if i was doing a North Pole expedition.
Normally a short sleeved shirt under my jacket,vor if it goes below freezing like today i'll add a vest :lol
You seriously need to invest in heated grips, they'll make a massive difference to you out in the cold, compared to not having them at all.
Think we have been there with heated grips before and they are not for me.As for so many layers, If I am pootling into town in heavy traffic then I wear less and don't get cold but I dont commute or go out in crap traffic usually so my rides are all wind chillers. My legs and feet actually never get cold.
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Anyone know anything about Bontrager B2 Windshell Long Sleeve Base Layer looks to be around £40-£60 but found somewhere I get it for £20
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Anyone know anything about Bontrager B2 Windshell Long Sleeve Base Layer looks to be around £40-£60 but found somewhere I get it for £20
Sharpie you are a tight fucker :eek
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Anyone know anything about Bontrager B2 Windshell Long Sleeve Base Layer looks to be around £40-£60 but found somewhere I get it for £20
Sharpie you are a tight fucker :eek
I ride a 20 year old bike --------what do you think- yes tight
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I don't think i've ever worn that much clothing at the same time in all of my lifetime.
Maybe if i was doing a North Pole expedition.
Normally a short sleeved shirt under my jacket,vor if it goes below freezing like today i'll add a vest :lol
You seriously need to invest in heated grips, they'll make a massive difference to you out in the cold, compared to not having them at all.
Think we have been there with heated grips before and they are not for me.As for so many layers, If I am pootling into town in heavy traffic then I wear less and don't get cold but I dont commute or go out in crap traffic usually so my rides are all wind chillers. My legs and feet actually never get cold.
Saying heated grips "are not for me" is just plain daft, they're for everyone who rides in cold weather, whether it's a short or long journey.
It's like going outside in the snowy weather without a jacket on. Neither are compulsory to have, but i promise you they'll both make you feel a damn site more comfortable.
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Ok out today dry but cold and had a purposeful look and feel at the way I grip and its mainly with my palm and thumb and from my knuckles to my fingertips I don't really touch the grips. Baring in mind my shit circulation in that area and my actual hands don't get cold I still don't see how heated grips will help me. I don't even use my hands much what with clutch-less changing and 2 finger braking with braided lines, I have tried wiggling my fingers around to see if that helps.
Perhaps I will just stick to short 1/2 - 1 hour blasts in the winter, after all I don't have to ride when its cold as I don't commute - but then again if I was communing I don't think my hands would get so cold as they would get used more with stop and starts and less wind blast.
So you have different hands to everyone else?
You don't touch the grips when riding? That's clever! :lol
Heat travels, if your palms are being blasted with heat then the attached fingers will obviously get some warmth as well.
No like I said my fingers from knuckles to the tips do not really touch the grips its thumb, palms and half my fingers, and warming my palms up wont help my finger cause I have got crap circulation.
Without going over it all again the above is a reminder
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I ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement.
Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow.
A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.
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I ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement.
Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow.
A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.
Never had a set of heated grips fail on me, so maybe it's just you talking your usual bullshit?
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These are my gloves http://www.visordown.com/features/products/new-stuff-racer-titan-winter-gloves (http://www.visordown.com/features/products/new-stuff-racer-titan-winter-gloves)
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I have edited the title to make it clearer what I am looking for
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:eek :lol
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that's a familiar pattern after a winter ride in snow and ice
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I ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement.
Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow.
A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.
Never had a set of heated grips fail on me, so maybe it's just you talking your usual bullshit?
As I've said in the past, I really don't care what the hell you think as you are often abusive. 'Been on this forum for around 10 years now and noticed most of the old guard left after you started posting regularly. Obviously some others did object to your rants and abuse. Grow up.
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I got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm.
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I ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement.
Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow.
A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.
Never had a set of heated grips fail on me, so maybe it's just you talking your usual bullshit?
As I've said in the past, I really don't care what the hell you think as you are often abusive. 'Been on this forum for around 10 years now and noticed most of the old guard left after you started posting regularly. Obviously some others did object to your rants and abuse. Grow up.
Think you'll find that i respond to abusive people, ie: you.
Rarely have you simply made a general comment or given any good advice without chucking some sort of put down within your post, and i admit things like that do tend to piss me off and i bite.
There is absolutely nothing whatsoever that is "obvious" in what you're implying either, you are again just spouting more crap to please your own little mind.
And it's not just me that you've crossed before either, so my conscience is clear, you seem to dive in, take a snipe at someone, then disappear again for months OBVIOUSLY when you realize that you're behaving like a knob and people are noticing AGAIN.
As a pointer, try and write a post giving an opinion, which will be read and accepted, rather than accusing someone of talking "bullshit" mid sentence, as comments like that do unsurprisingly tend to rub people up the wrong way!
See you in a few months. ;)
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I ride all year round and currently use the EDZ layering system, base layer, mid and fleece top layer then the all important pertex top and trousers. Despite the number of layers you don't feel like the Michelin man wearing these so they don't restrict movement.
Someone said you have to have heated grips. Bullshit.Gloves have come a long way in recent years and can be warm all day if you buy decent ones (£120+). If you ride every day like I do mostly, it doesn't take long for heated grips to break down anyhow.
A kidney belt, which can just be simply a wooly scarf wrapped around your midriff is a sound idea.
Never had a set of heated grips fail on me, so maybe it's just you talking your usual bullshit?
As I've said in the past, I really don't care what the hell you think as you are often abusive. 'Been on this forum for around 10 years now and noticed most of the old guard left after you started posting regularly. Obviously some others did object to your rants and abuse. Grow up.
RIGHT you two :bobby . Keep your handbags to yourself on my thread.
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I got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm.
The thing I worry about is when the word "Thermal" is used in clothes but I have no idea what is rated a proper thermal over a normal fluffy t shirt, what give manufactures the right to call something thermal its not like CE armer that has to pass tests --- is it ?
I just can not bring myself to attach muffs im afraid.
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I got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm.
The thing I worry about is when the word "Thermal" is used in clothes but I have no idea what is rated a proper thermal over a normal fluffy t shirt, what give manufactures the right to call something thermal its not like CE armer that has to pass tests --- is it ?
I just can not bring myself to attach muffs im afraid.
M&S thermal underwear I have always found to be pretty good, but you do need a wind-proof layer in there somewhere for anything like that to have a chance of working properly. Unfortunately, with not wanting handlebar muffs, you have probably just ruled out the most effective way of keeping hands warm. I don't blame you though, I've never liked the things, but then, I don't ride much when it's freezing. Lots of folk swear that summer gloves are all that's needed under them though, and combined with heated grips, you'll never experience cold hands again. I do miss my heated grips I had on the last bike, had never tried them before that.
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I got a pair of thermals from primary £10 each for top and trousers. Then just put my normal clothes and gear over the top. Have you tried the handlebar covers the work well for keeping your fingers warm.
The thing I worry about is when the word "Thermal" is used in clothes but I have no idea what is rated a proper thermal over a normal fluffy t shirt, what give manufactures the right to call something thermal its not like CE armer that has to pass tests --- is it ?
I just can not bring myself to attach muffs im afraid.
M&S thermal underwear I have always found to be pretty good, but you do need a wind-proof layer in there somewhere for anything like that to have a chance of working properly. Unfortunately, with not wanting handlebar muffs, you have probably just ruled out the most effective way of keeping hands warm. I don't blame you though, I've never liked the things, but then, I don't ride much when it's freezing. Lots of folk swear that summer gloves are all that's needed under them though, and combined with heated grips, you'll never experience cold hands again. I do miss my heated grips I had on the last bike, had never tried them before that.
I'm not saying heated grips are the complete solution, but they are most certainly better to have than to not.
The idea of handlebar muffs have never appealed to me either, although if i did daily motorway runs then i'm sure i would reconsider the option.
I've always wanted just a simple hand guard to take the wind off the gloves, which would work really well i reckon, but there's just not enough room on my bike without them hitting the fairing.
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I've always wanted just a simple hand guard to take the wind off the gloves, which would work really well i reckon, but there's just not enough room on my bike without them hitting the fairing.
Yep I agree and every winter I look into it but they just dont fit
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M&S thermal underwear I have always found to be pretty good, but you do need a wind-proof layer in there somewhere for anything like that to have a chance of working properly.
I have just ordered this http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer (http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer) for wind block. You will see from my picture that my leather has a generous crossover that tucks under the zip and yet I still get a draft so an extra layer of proper wind block may help.
That first one on the top left is supposed to be a thermal but it was cheap from Aldi so I doubt its thermal properties
My 15 layer system works but its a bit stupid so less but more efficient layers would be good.
Also the wind block would actually be good under my summer jacket that has so many perforations its actually too cold and draughty if I am out and back late when the temp gos down or I put it on too early in the season.
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I have just ordered this [url]http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer[/url] ([url]http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer[/url]) for wind block. You will see from my picture that my leather has a generous crossover that tucks under the zip and yet I still get a draft so an extra layer of proper wind block may help.
That looks ok, but I suspect it'll still feel a bit draughty as it only has parts that are windproof. As you mentioned before, we don't have to work hard like a cyclist on our bikes, and we're going much faster, so the wind tends to seek out every gap and we're not keeping ourselves warm. But better than no windproof layer at all. Merino wool is also another good material for under layers; as mentioned in your link, it still keeps you warm if it gets wet, so if your biking top layers have seen better days and leak a bit, you can still be comfortable, and it doesn't need to be bulky to work.
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I have just ordered this [url]http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer[/url] ([url]http://road.cc/content/review/177735-bontrager-b2-windshell-long-sleeve-baselayer[/url]) for wind block. You will see from my picture that my leather has a generous crossover that tucks under the zip and yet I still get a draft so an extra layer of proper wind block may help.
That looks ok, but I suspect it'll still feel a bit draughty as it only has parts that are windproof. As you mentioned before, we don't have to work hard like a cyclist on our bikes, and we're going much faster, so the wind tends to seek out every gap and we're not keeping ourselves warm. But better than no windproof layer at all. Merino wool is also another good material for under layers; as mentioned in your link, it still keeps you warm if it gets wet, so if your biking top layers have seen better days and leak a bit, you can still be comfortable, and it doesn't need to be bulky to work.
i actually only paid £20 for it as I don't really know what I am buying and wouldn't risk £60. But that merino wool sounds a safe spend.
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:eek :lol
I've seen that view a few times when following you on a LOFO day out! :rollin
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Belstaff used to make a wax cotton water proof over mitten worn over winter gloves used to keep my hands warm in the cold weather.
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Belstaff used to make a wax cotton water proof over mitten worn over winter gloves used to keep my hands warm in the cold weather.
I remember those and used to have some with sheepskin mits underneath - not a lot of feel and tricky grabbing the brake, wouldn't do it now but back then on a 125 it was ok.
I laso had Derry Boots - remember those. they were very warm but U used to put a hole in the top toe from changing up so I stretched a section of a wheel barrow inner tube over my foot.
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Wondering if there's a glove that would have like a layer of something covering the back of the fingers, but maybe only attached to the forefinger and little finger, so finger movement isn't restricted but it stops direct contact of the wind onto the fingers?
I know what i mean, but have usually seen this design being worn by people in Canada or in extreme snow situations, and i doubt that they would've been leather.
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Wondering if there's a glove that would have like a layer of something covering the back of the fingers, but maybe only attached to the forefinger and little finger, so finger movement isn't restricted but it stops direct contact of the wind onto the fingers?
I know what i mean, but have usually seen this design being worn by people in Canada or in extreme snow situations, and i doubt that they would've been leather.
Good one.
I have actually thought the exact same thing, sort of a hand guard that is attached to your hand that would keep the wind blast off the backs of your fingers and thought about making something out of those silicone oven mitts - just the back part as they are soft and pliable and yet holds its shape
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Wondering if there's a glove that would have like a layer of something covering the back of the fingers, but maybe only attached to the forefinger and little finger, so finger movement isn't restricted but it stops direct contact of the wind onto the fingers?
I know what i mean, but have usually seen this design being worn by people in Canada or in extreme snow situations, and i doubt that they would've been leather.
I have actually thought the exact same thing, sort of a hand guard that is attached to your hand that would keep the wind blast off the backs of your fingers and thought about making something out of those silicone oven mitts - just the back part as they are soft and pliable and yet holds its shape
Army N.I. gloves! Had padding on the backs of the fingers and knuckles, so you didn't scrape them on walls if patrolling in bandit country towns :lol
Not very warm though. Not very waterproof either. In fact, no foccin use at all :lol
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:eek :lol
I've seen that view a few times when following you on a LOFO day out! :rollin
Perhaps if you upgraded to a thou, you wouldn't be stuck behind him all the time ;) :b
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This is only my first winter using Gerbing heated gloves, but think they're brilliant. Took a few goes to get used to plugging myself in, but they keep the whole hand warm as opposed to just the palms when using heated grips. Waterproof, reasonable feel and speaking to long time users, seem to stand the test of time. Personally I think if your hands are not cold, then the rest of your body seems to cope a lot better with adverse conditions.
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I don't ride all year round, and right now it's impossible. Managed to get to work the last couple of days thanks to my trusty 4WD Yeti.
But I do like hill walking, including in winter if the weather is reasonable.
My choice of base layer is pure merino wool, either Icebreaker or Smartwool, 260 weight for winter. Not cheap, but you'll find the winter stuff going cheap in the spring.
Look after it and it'll last many years. It's not the best at wicking but it stays warm when moist. It's very nice against your skin (I generally hate wool). But it can be worn for days on end without getting particulary smelly.
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My choice of base layer is pure merino wool, either Icebreaker or Smartwool, 260 weight for winter. It's not the best at wicking but it stays warm when moist.
merino it is then and don't think I need to worry about its wicking properties unless I piss myself
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For my top half I use a base-layer top which I got from Mountain Warehouse to go skiing. Over this is a shirt and sweatshirt, then an "Anti Freeze" mid-layer jacket, followed by my regular textile bike jacket.
For the bottom half it's Heat Holder socks, base-layer pants, jeans and textile pants, plus my boots.
I have a set of Gerbing Heated Gloves which I will never stop singing the praises of, because they warm down the back of the hands and fingers, rather than heating the palms which lets your fingertips and backs of the hands get cold.
I also have a windproof balaclava for under my helmet if it's really cold :thumbup
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For my top half I use a base-layer top which I got from Mountain Warehouse to go skiing. Over this is a shirt and sweatshirt, then an "Anti Freeze" mid-layer jacket, followed by my regular textile bike jacket.
For the bottom half it's Heat Holder socks, base-layer pants, jeans and textile pants, plus my boots.
I have a set of Gerbing Heated Gloves which I will never stop singing the praises of, because they warm down the back of the hands and fingers, rather than heating the palms which lets your fingertips and backs of the hands get cold.
I also have a windproof balaclava for under my helmet if it's really cold :thumbup
Those gloves sound perfect - back of the hands and fingers
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:eek :lol
I've seen that view a few times when following you on a LOFO day out! :rollin
Perhaps if you upgraded to a thou, you wouldn't be stuck behind him all the time ;) :b
Naaaaaah, I'd still be captian slow, just on a faster bike! LOL
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Update, yesterday was the first time I had a chance to try out my new "proper" baselayer a Brontrager B2 windshell. I had a 95 mile blat. It is very thin and light and the wind sections sound sort of plasticky crinkly. Although it was about 11 degrees this time when before it was only 4 I only had the baselayer and my short sleeve rash vest under my leather and high vis and was nice and warm. I could not feel any wind blast getting through.