LICENCE TO KILL

[DILLIGAFF]

I watched this programme on BBC3? last night.
Generally the message was clear and well put regarding the inexperience of young drivers.


I did think it was unfairly biased regarding the case of the young footballer who collided with the Asian family.


True, he was speeding, but the other driver pulled out in front of him from a side road. Presumably without looking?


IMHO that's like blaming the horse for killing Emily Pankhurst?

[Dead Eye]

The one thing that really gets on my nerves is when bikers are blamed simply because they are bikers and "were obviously speeding".



The above video proved to be quite contested between me and my housemate. I say it was entirely the cars fault, he says it was the bikes fault.

[steeeve66]

I watched this programme on BBC3? last night.
Generally the message was clear and well put regarding the inexperience of young drivers.


I did think it was unfairly biased regarding the case of the young footballer who collided with the Asian family.


True, he was speeding, but the other driver pulled out in front of him from a side road. Presumably without looking?


IMHO that's like blaming the horse for killing Emily Pankhurst?

he was touching 70 in a 30 - the fatalities were entirely his fault i think and very little in common with Pankhurst.

[Mick-H]

I didn't see the programme last night but have experiance which might make bikers/drivers on here think a little more tollerant of young people and the way they drive.
My lad is 19 been driving for only 5 month, he has a Yaris 1 litre which cost him £1920 to insure, fully comp, the car has a black box in it to record how he drives, or how I drive or the Mrs as we are all on the ins as this brought the price down, it does however go up if his driving is recorded as poor.
I'm happy that he has the box as it links to a site and I can see how he's driving, to a small extent.
I've no problem with the box is that it makes you watch your speed and keep within the speed limits all well and good until you put it in to practice.
When driving within the speed limits virtually everything drives right up your arse, which in turn puts extra preasure on the driver, time is then spent looking in mirrors looking at speedo and feeling preasurised, which can't be good for the young driver.
So all in all if you see a young driver in a small car doing 29 MPH in a 30 give them a bit of space.

[Dead Eye]

Wow insurance prices are really taking a hike for young drivers! I had a Peugeot 106 (1.5 Diesel) for my first car and that cost me £1,500~ to insure

I understand the use of the boxes that monitor your driving but agree that they potentially cause some issues as well. Its like the whole average speed camera issue on the motorways - end up spending more time staring at the speedo than you do looking at whats going on :P

(Obviously exaggerating the last point, but you know what I mean)

[bri h]

Im worried about this killer horse. Is it behind bars or still on the loose?

[sure2ride]

I thought the presentations given to those around school age waiting or learning to drive was a very good idea. I wish it had been around in my day. 

[sadlonelygit]

The one thing that really gets on my nerves is when bikers are blamed simply because they are bikers and "were obviously speeding".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SU0HJ78T7A

The above video proved to be quite contested between me and my housemate. I say it was entirely the cars fault, he says it was the bikes fault.

well your housemate is right. the car had began it's manouvere whilst the bike was behind another car, so htf could he be expected to see it. correct me if i'm wrong, but the max speed for that kind of road is 60mph, so travelling in excess of 50% of the limit you have to exercise EXTREME caution, not just blindly go for the gap. finally, the bike had a good second to start braking, but he ploughed on through.
RLAC is all well and good, but not all the time, and not in amongst myopic car drivers.

[caretaker]

bri H, my thoughts exactly!

[bri h]

I bet its one of those drugged up hoses that the arab bloke been doping

[Lawrence]

I did think it was unfairly biased regarding the case of the young footballer who collided with the Asian family.


True, he was speeding, but the other driver pulled out in front of him from a side road. Presumably without looking?

If there had been prosecutions on both sides the driver who pulled out would get driving without due care, the guy speeding would get dangerous driving which is much more serious.

[Chillum]

The one thing that really gets on my nerves is when bikers are blamed simply because they are bikers and "were obviously speeding".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SU0HJ78T7A

The above video proved to be quite contested between me and my housemate. I say it was entirely the cars fault, he says it was the bikes fault.

well your housemate is right. the car had began it's manouvere whilst the bike was behind another car, so htf could he be expected to see it. correct me if i'm wrong, but the max speed for that kind of road is 60mph, so travelling in excess of 50% of the limit you have to exercise EXTREME caution, not just blindly go for the gap. finally, the bike had a good second to start braking, but he ploughed on through.
RLAC is all well and good, but not all the time, and not in amongst myopic car drivers.

Agreed, looks like the bike rider was at fault here, mainly of lack of self preservation which should be rule #1.

I've ridden in those kinds of situations and I can assure you I spotted that car up ahead was looking like a good candidate for an overtake whether he indicated or not.

[Skippernick]

The one thing that really gets on my nerves is when bikers are blamed simply because they are bikers and "were obviously speeding".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SU0HJ78T7A

The above video proved to be quite contested between me and my housemate. I say it was entirely the cars fault, he says it was the bikes fault.

well your housemate is right. the car had began it's manouvere whilst the bike was behind another car, so htf could he be expected to see it. correct me if i'm wrong, but the max speed for that kind of road is 60mph, so travelling in excess of 50% of the limit you have to exercise EXTREME caution, not just blindly go for the gap. finally, the bike had a good second to start braking, but he ploughed on through.
RLAC is all well and good, but not all the time, and not in amongst myopic car drivers.

Agreed, looks like the bike rider was at fault here, mainly of lack of self preservation which should be rule #1.

I've ridden in those kinds of situations and I can assure you I spotted that car up ahead was looking like a good candidate for an overtake whether he indicated or not.

I agree, its the bikes fault, he was doing nearly 100mph in a 60 zone, would you expect a bike to be doing that, well maybe, but then you assume every bike is doing that then. And just before the crash the bike overtook a car whilst inside of the video bike, Darwinian theory at work i think.


Just watched the program, the safe drive stay alive campaign looks like a good idea.
The footballer was totally at fault 56mph in a 30 enough said, you look at a vehicles headlights at dusk and judge its speed,  I would argue that it would be safe to assume that most cars would be doing 30ish in a 30 zone, not twice the limit, and then make a decision about pulling out you might never move off.
What wasn't mentioned in the program was that he already had a speeding conviction for doing twice the speed limit, and he's only 18!!!!!!


In Finland i believe they start teaching drivers at a younger age, but its 2 years before they are allowed on the road, they are taught skid control, driving on snow and ice (obviously) and other skills. And which country's drivers has won the most rally championships, yes the FINNS. I wonder why.


I am 33, and i think i am of the last generation that were lucky enough to learn to drive and gain experience before our roads got stupidly busy. I crashed at slow speed  on a country lane within a village within a week of passing with 4 people in the car, i had been drinking and i couldn't see a foot passed the end of the bonnet because of thick fog.  I thank christ i never made it to a main road because God knows what might of happened.


We have all been young and stupid (peer pressure etc) and i feel sorry for todays young drivers but something needs to be done to educate them.


Oh and stay safe everyone whilst out on your bikes or cars.
Nick