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more piff and drivel
Did I say piff and drivel?
You know no better than the next man.
No but I think you are just trying to insult and bait me rather than address my main points.
How come we can work just fine with the security services of Australia, Canada, the US, when it's mutually beneficial?
There is a difference between working separately and choosing what to share, and more to the point what not to share, and indeed choosing who else you might share or not share with, than a co-ordinated operation with shared data between all members. It’s a big difference.
I don't think the EU cares whether NI is in the Customs Union or not. What they are saying is that Eire definitely is, so if UK is leaving the Customs Union, then there has to be a border somewhere. Either an Irish Border, or a GB border. It's totally our problem, and Theresa and Co say neither is OK in the long term (short term backstop is a smokescreen).
I think we will leave the EU, but will join the Customs Union and the Single Market. Just like Norway and Switzerland. We'll get some concessions on how much we pay and what rules we take.
So what's the point? It will please neither side of the voting halves. I'd rather be in the tent pissing out, rather outside pissing into the wind
Yeah I think the EU cares first about it's members. LEAVE told us that the EU needs us more than we need them. That myth has been busted. At the end of the day they would like us in, but if we wanna leave, well then their attitude is - you know where the door is...............
So I think mtread sums it all up quite nocely.