The Covid thread

[fazersharp]

Oh come on!

It's not as if they had known for at least three weeks that there was a more infectious strain of the virus going around and they had been warned by scientists for a fortnight that insisting schools were safe and that children should go back would be a really bad idea, so it came as a total surprise to them and they had to change their minds about threatening schools with legal action for not opening just 24 hours before and, instead, had tell them all to close... 

Sounds like a conspiracy. Are you suggesting that the gov are purposefully trying to spread covid through the Schools. 

[Grahamm]

Sounds like a conspiracy.

No, sounds like incompetence, dithering, vacillation and (wilful) ignorance.

Oh, and I'll treat your Straw Man argument follow up with the contempt it deserves.

[fazersharp]

Sounds like a conspiracy.

No, sounds like incompetence, dithering, vacillation and (wilful) ignorance.

Oh, and I'll treat your Straw Man argument follow up with the contempt it deserves.

Its not a straw man or anything else.I had to google "vacillation" If as you say they knew for at least 3 weeks and the scientists were also telling them and yet they still wanted to carry on opening the Schools. I don't believe even they could be that incompetent so the only thing left is purposefully trying to spread covid.       

[fazersharp]

Why are the news channels giving Capitan Hindsight prime time TV to broadcast "His reply" to the Prime-ministers public announcement. It just sounded like an election broadcast, free of charge.     

Because Captain Lack of Foresight keeps doing U turns and has no strategy at all?
Apparently it's all the fault of this new chap 'Mutant Strain'.

So that sounds like you are saying the new strain does not exist and was made up as a excuse to change Christmas plans so that they would not be accused of "another U turn". 

[mtread]

So that sounds like you are saying the new strain does not exist and was made up as a excuse to change Christmas plans so that they would not be accused of "another U turn".

Nope. What I'm saying is that the government is looking for any scapegoat to cover up its own incompetence.
Of course the new strain is real. The scientists told them about it weeks ago. Just when the government was urging children back to school.
Johnson doesn't like giving out bad news, and nothing is ever his fault.

[fazersharp]

So that sounds like you are saying the new strain does not exist and was made up as a excuse to change Christmas plans so that they would not be accused of "another U turn".

Nope. What I'm saying is that the government is looking for any scapegoat to cover up its own incompetence.
Of course the new strain is real. The scientists told them about it weeks ago. Just when the government was urging children back to school.
Johnson doesn't like giving out bad news, and nothing is ever his fault.

Do you trust the Government.

[mtread]

Do you trust the Government

Do you?

[fazersharp]

Do you trust the Government

Do you?

No
Your turn.

[b1k3rdude]

Ok we all know the government regardless of who/which party is in charge are a bunch of lying bastards, and leave it at that,

[mtread]

NoYour turn.

Very occasionally.
I'm more likely to trust science though.

[Oldgit]

Mother should I trust the Government, Pink Floyd (Mother)

[fazersharp]

NoYour turn.

 
I'm more likely to trust science though.

Which ones

[Grahamm]

The latest from Jonathan Pie:

(Warning, contains lots of swearing...!)

[Grahamm]

If as you say they knew for at least 3 weeks and the scientists were also telling them and yet they still wanted to carry on opening the Schools. I don't believe even they could be that incompetent so the only thing left is purposefully trying to spread covid.       

I think they're just too stupid and arrogant to believe what they're being told.

[mtread]

Which ones

Facts. Not politicians' manipulation of them.

[Gnasher]

I think they're just too stupid and arrogant to believe what they're being told.

   and they're just trying to avoid running into their own mess, years of cuts etc, oh and do it as cheap as possible while giving their mates as much as possible, lets not forget.  Somehow I think, they've also failed on the latter now   

[mtread]

Just when you think the UK is fucked up....... the USA goes one better 

[fazersharp]

Just when you think the UK is fucked up....... the USA goes one better 

That's what you would of seen here if Brexit was stolen after it was voted for. 

[Grahamm]

That's what you would of seen here if Brexit was stolen after it was voted for. 

Ah, you mean like when Nigel Farage called for his March on London which 27 people turned up for... 
Anyway, this is off topic for a discussion of the COVID vaccine, so I'll leave it here.

[coffee]

Got mine saturday morning, 1st part anyway.

[Gnasher]

Got mine saturday morning, 1st part anyway.

That's great news.  I just hope they don't go the same way with vaccine roll out as they did with test and trace, that being putting capacity over actual delivery. Having a 1000 or 1000's of vaccine sites with trained personal is pointless unless you've actually got the stuff to put in the syringe and a guaranteed supply for further doses required.  I've also read there's a world shortage of viles the vaccine goes in, it's also worth mentioning about all the others items required to manufacture.  The world has got to ramp up to unpresented levels of production something we in the UK aren't scaled for and will take time, months not weeks or we stop making something else!  We make very little of our own pharma these days most is made in Eastern Europe, India or the Far East, to max profit.     

My other concern is they'll go hell for leather to get the numbers, e.g. extending the interval between doses from 28 days to 12 wks, then won't have enough vaccine supply to hit the 12 wk second dose.  Don't get me wrong the former makes sense based on the science they'll telling us, but only if you've got guaranteed supply.  What happens if you don't get the second in 12, 13, 14wks or whatever, do you have to start from scratch or do you just get reduced protection.  My guess is it's reduced but to what and if that is low it could render it much less effective?  So far no one from the government is confirming actual supply figures just it will ramp up to pie in the sky numbers, where have we heard that before

Personally, I think we're are on track for yet another over promise, under deliver situation and yet another gamble, hope I'm wrong.   I'm well down the list, so this situation will have little impact on me personally, but those in the at risk groups it could be serious, as it's their second dose that's going to be used to hit the bigger initial numbers!         

[Grahamm]

I just hope they don't go the same way with vaccine roll out as they did with test and trace, that being putting capacity over actual delivery. Having a 1000 or 1000's of vaccine sites with trained personal is pointless unless you've actually got the stuff to put in the syringe and a guaranteed supply for further doses required. 

I have a friend who's a Pharmacist and she said that, despite their experience in giving the Flu Jab every year, the Government have basically ignored them for giving the Covid Jab!

Meanwhile, the family of "Vaccines Minister" Nadhim Zahawi have Set up a medical company...   

[fazersharp]

My guess is it's reduced but to what and if that is low it could render it much less effective?  So far no one from the government is confirming actual supply figures just it will ramp up to pie in the sky numbers, where have we heard that before

Something else - it looks like the jabs do not stop you getting or stop you transmitting it. I see the questions have been asked a few times direct to Hancock and the way he skips over them looks suspicious to me, like he knows they don't work on that basis but just says there is not enough data and quickly moves on. Telling the public that would destroy any confidence in the vax.

[Gnasher]

Meanwhile, the family of "Vaccines Minister" Nadhim Zahawi have Set up a medical company...   

Are we surprised, their mates noses troff springs to mind 

[BBROWN1664]

My guess is it's reduced but to what and if that is low it could render it much less effective?  So far no one from the government is confirming actual supply figures just it will ramp up to pie in the sky numbers, where have we heard that before

Something else - it looks like the jabs do not stop you getting or stop you transmitting it. I see the questions have been asked a few times direct to Hancock and the way he skips over them looks suspicious to me, like he knows they don't work on that basis but just says there is not enough data and quickly moves on. Telling the public that would destroy any confidence in the vax.

As it is a respiratory disease, you breathe it in an out. If you have the vaccine, you can still have the virus in your airway due to recently breathing it in and therefore still breathe it out before it tries to infect you. You wont get infected because of the vaccine but you can still spread it about. Common sense really, the vaccine does not give you a shield to stop you breathing it in.