The Covid thread

[Slaninar]

Can one get too paranoid?

"Russian scientist working on COVID-19 vaccine plummets to death in St. Petersburg"

https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/russian-scientist-working-on-covid-19-vaccine-plummets-to-death/

[mtread]

I predict which is why the death rate for the whole year will show little if even no increase.

81,000 excess deaths so far


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55411323


So if nobody dies of anything at all until May, or we get loads of Lazarus moments, your prediction will be spot on 

[agricola]

I predict which is why the death rate for the whole year will show little if even no increase.

81,000 excess deaths so far


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55411323


So if nobody dies of anything at all until May, or we get loads of Lazarus moments, your prediction will be spot on 

Its a worry. 50k Covid deaths,  +30k from people who had ops/treatment etc cancelled. And as folk are postponing trips to the docs, the backlog will worsen, and its not yet the end of December. Re-opening schools and universities was a massive error of judgement

[fazersharp]

The excess deaths counting goalposts have moved since the start of the pandemic because at the start it was not even considered there would be secondary deaths from cancelled oops and missed appointments /check ups. My point about little or no excess deaths is only about those directly from covid - just as was the case in the early stage when we started counting but now all deaths over the averages are being tallied up with corona.   

[mtread]

But as you've pointed out, whether a death is caused by Covid-19 or not is not straightforward.


Whereas excess deaths is very precise and is a fact. The goalposts haven't moved and are still at the end of the pitch.

[darrsi]

On the upside at least nobody has died of old age since March. 

[fazersharp]

On the upside at least nobody has died of old age since March. 

Good pointJust checked when I can expect to get my vaccine if I want it, I am number 27,700,000 in the queue.   

[darrsi]

On the upside at least nobody has died of old age since March. 

Good pointJust checked when I can expect to get my vaccine if I want it, I am number 27,700,000 in the queue.

I'm down for about early June next year.

[mtread]

On the upside at least nobody has died of old age since March. 

I'm no doctor (I never really bothered), but as far as I was aware, nobody ever dies of 'old age'.
They die because one or more vital organs stops working. Covid-19 does the same. It just hastens it a bit 

[Slaninar]

On the upside at least nobody has died of old age since March. 

I'm no doctor (I never really bothered), but as far as I was aware, nobody ever dies of 'old age'.
They die because one or more vital organs stops working. Covid-19 does the same. It just hastens it a bit 

Oh, c'mon! Using that logic, we could argue that no one dies of AIDS, but of other diseases (after AIDS destroys their immune system). 

[darrsi]

On the upside at least nobody has died of old age since March. 

I'm no doctor (I never really bothered), but as far as I was aware, nobody ever dies of 'old age'.
They die because one or more vital organs stops working. Covid-19 does the same. It just hastens it a bit 

Blimey, i know you're not a doctor, but have you ever heard of a sense of humour transplant?
It was a joke. 
I know you don't hear them often at all any more as a certain type of people are trying to suck the life out of anyone who attempts humour these days. 

[mtread]

Blimey, i know you're not a doctor, but have you ever heard of a sense of humour transplant?It was a joke.   I know you don't hear them often at all any more as a certain type of people are trying to suck the life out of anyone who attempts humour these days. 

My reply was a joke too, but clearly only YamFazFan would have got it. Where is he when you need him?   

[Slaninar]

Blimey, i know you're not a doctor, but have you ever heard of a sense of humour transplant?It was a joke.   I know you don't hear them often at all any more as a certain type of people are trying to suck the life out of anyone who attempts humour these days. 

My reply was a joke too, but clearly only YamFazFan would have got it. Where is he when you need him?   

 

[fazersharp]

I wonder what will happen when the Oxford one cones on line, £3 a pop - keeps in the fridge. No one will want to bother any more with the expensive Pfizer faff. I suspect they (pfizer )know this already and was an incentive in getting to the market first.   

[fazersharp]

I noticed today on the BBC weather forecast that they have dropped the words New Years eve and New years day and they are just referring to "Thursday and Friday".
 Who told them to do that.

[mtread]

I noticed today on the BBC weather forecast that they have dropped the words New Years eve and New years day and they are just referring to "Thursday and Friday". Who told them to do that.

They're renaming them 'Groundhog Eve' and 'Groundhog Day' because we are stuck in 2020 forever 

[Grahamm]

I noticed today on the BBC weather forecast that they have dropped the words New Years eve and New years day and they are just referring to "Thursday and Friday".

I've just watched the forecast and it says "Thursday" and "Friday" at the bottom of the screen, but there's a graphic saying "New Year's Eve" and "New Years's Day" at the top of the screen.

Personally I like that because it means I don't have to check the calendar to see what day of the week they're actually talking about!

[fazersharp]

LOCKDOWN 

[darrsi]

LOCKDOWN 

Surely it cannot be called a Lockdown if people still have to go into work?

[fazersharp]

There's hardly any difference between tier 4 and this. Tier 4 that most were in anyway.

[darrsi]

The main reason for the recent rise in Positive cases is because of the unmasked Xmas shoppers, which was then why London was rightly closed down.
But your Tiers 1 to 3 still had the chance to go out for the Boxing Day sales as well. Add those to the Xmas Day family free for all people, and lo and behold, this week we're getting record numbers of new Positive cases. 

[BBROWN1664]

There's hardly any difference between tier 4 and this. Tier 4 that most were in anyway.

I have said since T4 was introduced that it was basically the same as lockdown 1

The main difference is the way it is being promoted. T4 has always had the "stay at home" element but people ignored it. Now it will be law allowing fines to be issued if you do not have a reasonable excuse for being outside and schools shut. Other than that, it is T4 really.

[fazersharp]

Why are the news channels giving Capitan Hindsight prime time TV to broadcast "His reply" to the Prime-ministers public announcement. It just sounded like an election broadcast, free of charge.     

[mtread]

Why are the news channels giving Capitan Hindsight prime time TV to broadcast "His reply" to the Prime-ministers public announcement. It just sounded like an election broadcast, free of charge.     

Because Captain Lack of Foresight keeps doing U turns and has no strategy at all?
Apparently it's all the fault of this new chap 'Mutant Strain'.

[Grahamm]

Oh come on!

It's not as if they had known for at least three weeks that there was a more infectious strain of the virus going around and they had been warned by scientists for a fortnight that insisting schools were safe and that children should go back would be a really bad idea, so it came as a total surprise to them and they had to change their minds about threatening schools with legal action for not opening just 24 hours before and, instead, had tell them all to close...