Author Topic: Restyling a fazer - tidy tail faring? (Read 11930 times)

papercutout · « **on:** 20 February 2014, 07:47:56 pm »

Ok, so I saw this photo the other day, and I just thought 'wow, that looks very cool'. Now, unfortunately it's a photoplop, so there's no real help to be had!

But it got me thinking - how COULD we get a tail anywhere near that tidy and neat? Obviously not with the stock, bulky, seat faring. So what could fit? Anyone got any idea's? (by fit, I mean tweaked to fit, I don't mean making a new thing out of fibreglass)

And has anyone got any other suggestions of nice ways of modifying a Fazer's appearance? (I fully accept that people's opinions differ, but if you're of the impression that a fazer looks best stock, and the standard faring is pretty. You're probably not a useful asset to this conversation)

red98 · « **Reply #1 on:** 20 February 2014, 07:52:06 pm »

Thats already been done....theres a picture on here somewhere...anyone else remember ?

ChristoT · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 February 2014, 08:19:09 pm »

Quote from: red98 on 20 February 2014, 07:52:06 pm

Thats already been done....theres a picture on here somewhere...anyone else remember ?

Are you thinking of Wraith? He's got a Aprilia rear end, I think.

I'm debating an R1 tail myself!

papercutout · « **Reply #3 on:** 20 February 2014, 08:52:58 pm »

Could be interesting to see! I probably want smoother and more minimalistic, from what I've seen, Aprilia's tend to be quite angular. I'm thinking an early Honda Hornet, with a different rear light, and a little chopped maybe.

Ruby Racing · « **Reply #4 on:** 20 February 2014, 09:57:20 pm »

I think the tail has the look of a Fazer FZ1.

papercutout · « **Reply #5 on:** 21 February 2014, 08:07:45 pm »

Similar in length, but without all the jagged edges and detail, just smooth and rounded. Interesting!

Geordi Sussex · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 February 2014, 08:27:23 am »

I have a Ducati rear end on mine

I known its not everyone's cup of tea but I like it

Geordi Sussex · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 February 2014, 08:31:28 am »

Just a side by side

papercutout · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 February 2014, 10:15:21 am »

Very nice! Which duke rear end is that?

And do you have no airbox in that photo? And twin headlights? And chance of any more pics? :p

Geordi Sussex · « **Reply #9 on:** 22 February 2014, 11:53:09 am »

What pix you after?
Or if your near the sussex area drop me a pm and see it for yourself

It's got 4 pod filters and been rejetted
Twin light that will be going for a headlight mask
And it's going to have a USD fork front end swap

Just a ongoing project really

The seat unit is a copy of a 748/916/996
You can find loads of them on evil bay

fazersharp · « **Reply #10 on:** 22 February 2014, 01:03:26 pm »

Quick and easy is to take off the grabrail and cover the holes with a disk of gloss stickyback plastic and then move the numberplate up as far as it will go over the reflector and then cut off the mudguard flush with the number plate. Refit a stand-alone reflector so it shows just below the numberpalte.

Ruby Racing · « **Reply #11 on:** 22 February 2014, 11:03:49 pm »

Quote from: Geordi Sussex on 22 February 2014, 11:53:09 am

It's got 4 pod filters and been rejetted

Any chance you can tell us what jetting changes you made please?

Geordi Sussex · « **Reply #12 on:** 23 February 2014, 03:42:58 pm »

Just got this off the previous owner

You can go up to 1.3mm but I found there was a lack of power at the bottom end.... as far as I remember there are 1.15mm jets in yours....

I will go though the old paperwork and see if there is any info there as well

Ruby Racing · « **Reply #13 on:** 26 February 2014, 12:04:34 am »

Quote from: Geordi Sussex on 23 February 2014, 03:42:58 pm

You can go up to 1.3mm but I found there was a lack of power at the bottom end.... as far as I remember there are 1.15mm jets in yours....

I will go though the old paperwork and see if there is any info there as well

Thanks for that. Any information gratefully received as there doesn't seem to much info available on the subject. Most comments I've seen reckon these bikes don't like pod filters. My feeling is that very few who've fitted pods have had them properly set up on a dyno.

ChristoT · « **Reply #14 on:** 26 February 2014, 12:06:09 am »

Just a thought - the carbs are probably on other IL4s - could you use them as a reference?

Ruby Racing · « **Reply #15 on:** 26 February 2014, 12:24:55 am »

Do you mean the same carbs on a different model that is fitted with pods? If so that sounds like a champion idea.

ChristoT · « **Reply #16 on:** 26 February 2014, 12:27:34 am »

Yep. If memory serves, they're relatively common Mikunis?

There's probably a massive flaw in my thinking here, but I'll wait to be corrected!

Ruby Racing · « **Reply #17 on:** 26 February 2014, 12:30:57 am »

The valve sizes and exhaust sizes probably make a difference. But as you say, it's just for reference, a starting point. So I think it's a pretty clever idea.

Just need to work out which bikes have the same carbs!

ChristoT · « **Reply #18 on:** 26 February 2014, 12:31:43 am »

JFGI. :P

alan sherman · « **Reply #19 on:** 26 February 2014, 03:52:29 pm »

There is a range of options:

Simple: As said above get the smallest legal plate, move it up. No need to chop existing mudguard though IIRC. Can get smaller indicators. Buy TCP aerodynamics / Yamaha official seat cover to cover the pillion seat. Sadly their website seems to have gone: http://www.tcpsa.com/defaultsite but the catalogue is here:
http://www.tcpholland.com/2004gral.pdf

You could buy an underskirt if you want some colour but I think that is a limited value option!

Could fit flush indicators if you wanted.

The harder options are to fit aftermarket seat units or ones off donor bike like the ones above. Usually needs the subframe cutting. Both examples above have been cut - you can tell as the subframe is parallel to the alloy bar that comes off the pillion footpegs.

fazersharp · « **Reply #20 on:** 26 February 2014, 05:58:12 pm »

Yamaha official seat cover to cover the pillion seat.
I had one of these from ebay about 6 years ago- put it on and didnt like it and sold it back on ebay
The problem was that it just looked like a bit of plastic stuck on the back of your seat and it just looked wrong - a bit rubbish
If I remember right you take off the grabrail and use the same bolt holes its then that I thought hmmm its much better without them so left them off
Photoshoped numberplate numbers before you ask !

alan sherman · « **Reply #21 on:** 26 February 2014, 10:53:20 pm »

Never seen that one. I was thinking of the one in this thread:
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?topic=8946.0

Good shot of the numberrplate in the higher position though.

fazersharp · « **Reply #22 on:** 26 February 2014, 11:24:51 pm »

Some pictures make the cover look ok but in real life I thoughjt it made the back look less streem lined and just fat

Geordi Sussex · « **Reply #23 on:** 28 February 2014, 12:10:42 am »

Quote from: Ruby Racing on 26 February 2014, 12:04:34 am

Quote from: Geordi Sussex on 23 February 2014, 03:42:58 pm

You can go up to 1.3mm but I found there was a lack of power at the bottom end.... as far as I remember there are 1.15mm jets in yours....

I will go though the old paperwork and see if there is any info there as well

Thanks for that. Any information gratefully received as there doesn't seem to much info available on the subject. Most comments I've seen reckon these bikes don't like pod filters. My feeling is that very few who've fitted pods have had them properly set up on a dyno.

Found this in the paperwork

I don't know what it means but it's got more power after the dyno run

Ruby Racing · « **Reply #24 on:** 28 February 2014, 12:17:36 am »

Blimey! That's a hell of a difference. Thanks for the info.

I'm only guessing, but perhaps the first dyno run was with the pod filters and different exhaust fitted, but before any jetting changes were made to the carbs. It would certainly run more air in the mixture (so running lean?) which would affect the power output. I'm surprised it's by that amount though. My knowledge is pretty limited, to non existent on the subject of carbs, so maybe something else was to blame.