The counters steering is definitely instinctive, but you can push it further than the instinctive amount, attached pic has Jason O Halloran counter steering
yes we all countersteer.
Both...? u have to lean...
QuoteThe counters steering is definitely instinctive, but you can push it further than the instinctive amount, attached pic has Jason O Halloran counter steering That’s serious counter steering in order to correct a rear slide. Or perhaps he’s intentionally ‘rear wheel steering’.
HA HA...!! Lots of advice....... but I,m not much the wiser...yes we all countersteer...I want to corner harder and faster..without sliding off or running wide.....I think we can all agree that heads up and looking where ur going is a good tip.... I'm sticking with TRAIL BRAKING....I find it helps steady the bike and shorten the wheelbase into a turn...I'm talking about normal to hard riding....not extreme race level....!!!
If your engine bars touch down first then they are too low and what I would considere dangerous. They should be the last to tpuch down before it goes on its side
So if you're going round say a left hand bend and look down at the handle-bars, they'll be angled to the right?.
so Leaning is NOT optional.
So the throttle in a corner is just enoughto replace that speed loss (energy loss) to keep everything neutral and settled, not to accelerate.
Quote from: noggythenog on 17 June 2019, 10:45:31 amSo the throttle in a corner is just enoughto replace that speed loss (energy loss) to keep everything neutral and settled, not to accelerate.I thought that was normal - otherwise you are coasting around a corner which case you are more likely to loose grip.
Also as you lean over, the effective diameter of your wheel is reduced because you are moving from the crown of the tyres to the shoulder of the tread. This means that you would then be travelling at a slower speed than your corner entry speed unless you open the throttle to compensate.
QuoteAlso as you lean over, the effective diameter of your wheel is reduced because you are moving from the crown of the tyres to the shoulder of the tread. This means that you would then be travelling at a slower speed than your corner entry speed unless you open the throttle to compensate.I think you are wrong on both counts. The tyre must maintain it’s diameter across it’s width. If you have a varying diameter depending on where on the tread you are you will have one very weird handling bike. This is why we don’t like worn tyres, particularly say tyres that have worn down in the centre but still have plenty of meat on the sides. Why? Because every time you tip into a corner the wheel is forced to slow and you can feel that as the bike twitches into the turn. Even worse is a rear worn badly in the centre with a front badly worn on the sides. The front wheel then speeds up as the rear slows on entering a corner which = evil handling. Ps when I say leaning – I mean the rider leaning. Yes the bike must lean to make a turn but the rider does not necessarily have to. The bike is forced into a lean by input at the bars.