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Yep Gnasher the two inner rubbers are a pain to get on.
YEP ..definitely air getting in. Had a small amount of brake cleaner in an aerosol and sprayed it around carbs and revs went up.
Now the weird bit  :\ . Put wee red extension pipe on spray so i could spray a bit more closer to each rubber,,, no real increase there. This was both rubbers on each carb. Then for no reason i sprayed over the top of each,,,,,  on the left carbs 1 & 2 no change.  On carb 4 small change.,,, Now carb 3 revs shot up  :eek .  So im still confuzzed but closer to problem but cant see what or why .


So why would i get air coming in from the top when again carbs were not touched. 
Well im part way there but will have to wait till weekend now.  Work always gets in the way.
Any ideas of why im getting result spraying more over the card extremely welcome.

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Soz , its a bit late but ive been doing a lot of head scratching  :z .
Ive just spent 3 days putting a new cam chain in,, around 75000 on old one so new one needed. No adjustment left on tensioner.  :'(
All seemed ok. Running in shed ,, didnt rev to much in shed as i wanted all engine parts to settle and oil to flow round.
Then off for wee run.
Out of drive and i noticed shutting off throttle and the revs were'nt dropping too quick. Not sticking open , just coming down slowly. :rolleyes
Just a short run and still the same at the end.
But i never touched the carbs,,, just took them off,,, and put them back on. Yep cables were off but when i put them on i checked the throttle and it was'nt sticking just usual nice spring back when you let go.  And again after run ,, throttle just snaps back but revs come down slow.
 
any ideas, cause i confuzzed :o




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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Puzzling Sidelight/Tail light problem
« on: 11 March 2022, 05:25:06 am »
Wee bit late , but to answer Sharpshooter, yes you can take ignition apart. Thats where i had electrical problem once . Similar light problems . I found one of the wires had broken off. Wee solder job and still going strong.
As i remember there are two security screws that just need a wee slot cut into them for flat head screwdriver and all comes apart. Think i used the dremel for it.
When taking apart, keep bottom turned up and slowly take apart. Just take it slowly and all should be fine.
Im sure i posted pic of broken wire on here but not sure when.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Ignition light
« on: 29 January 2022, 10:35:22 am »
Would agree with above, needs a wee top up of oil. My oil light used to come on if i gave it a wee bit too much throttle from the off, but went out a couple of miles down the road. A wee top up and oil light stays off.
Sometimes an oil change can help if topping up dose not help.
If you do as darrsi explained you will probably see oil level in check window about half of window. So wee top up and see how it goes.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Small exhaust split..
« on: 20 January 2022, 06:13:15 am »
And yep , disconnect the battery. Thats a must when welding on anything with a battery.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Overcharging
« on: 25 July 2021, 08:26:01 pm »
Hi , maybe you have this sorted but id go for main fuse first.  But also disconnect those clock before trying anything. And then check out ignition , hoping its still ok. As you wont have neutral light to go by when ignition is on, just press horn or lights on. Just a pain tracing were and were not you have got power to.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Little Donkey on life support!
« on: 26 April 2021, 09:58:32 pm »
Hi. Just a wee thought for you. Patience. If old pipe is completely gone, then no need for engine out.
Penetrating fluid all around bracket holding pipe.
Next use hacksaw blade to cut old pipe top and bottom of bracket. Just wrap hacksaw blade with plenty of tape and take time to cut of old pipe.
More penetrating fluid.
Now you should be able to get mole grips onto small bracket. Just try to move it remembering down helps more as you are trying to loosen allen screw.
Your just trying to loosen bracket between allen screw and head at this point. Even afew taps with long screwdriver but gentle taps.
More penetrating fluid.
Now hopefully you have this or borrow one. Dremel drill with small cutting disc. Just take time and cut slot in head off allen screw, for flat head screw driver.
Now all fingers crossed it should come out. Again penetrating fluid and a few gentle taps can also help.
You can use a small amount of heat but only small as the allen screw head at this point wont take much heat to break.


Failing the above ,, much the same ,, but just remove down pipes and youll get all access needed. But that means taking of those nasty exhaust nuts that snap those crap exhaust studs.  Engine out means exhaust off. Try to avoid this.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 Headlights keep turning off
« on: 08 April 2021, 05:44:32 am »
Just a wee thought for you. I had similar problem couple of years back. It basically came down to a broken wire in the ignition barrel. Took a bit of head scratching to find but with a little help i found it. Wee solder and still working.
Just put bike on stand , light on and move the wires about a bit and as Darrsi says move the handle bars at same time. If the lights flicker or go out might be time to have a wee look inside barrel.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: None starter
« on: 13 October 2020, 05:51:12 am »
Another wee thought. You said its got new fuel pump. Is it definitely pumping fuel through. You could pull plug cap of one of the plugs and turn over a few times and then take plug out and it should them definitely be wet. If not wet , no fuel getting through. If wet then you could heat plugs.
Ive heated plugs before to kick an engine into life.  Just take plugs out , pop then onto a wee gas cooker and heat the end of the plugs.  You have to get a good bit of heat in them , and then without burning your hands ( good gloves) get them in as quick as possible trying to keep as much heat in them as possible. They dont have to be properly tightened , just in there. And then fire her up. If theres fuel in there , with heat and spark she should fire up.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: None starter
« on: 11 October 2020, 09:01:33 pm »
Just a wee thought. You said you have temp fuel going to fuel pump. Is pump working ? As you have owned another Fazer youll know that pump will click  a few times when ignition is turned on.  Then if no firing are your plugs getting wet or even damp.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: ODD JUDDER ON SLOW JUNCTIONS ETC
« on: 09 October 2020, 06:40:00 am »
Yep. I had a problem when refitting carbs too.  I was having trouble holding carbs in place while tightening up clamps. Id find that when i was tightening one side the other would start to slip back out.  I was trying not too over tighten the clamps  as i didnt want it to them to cut into the carb rubbers as there not cheep.
So i managed to hold the carbs in place with some cable ties and then tighten the clamps down slowly. Once i got everything in place , carbs into inlet rubbers, and air filter connected up i used some electrical spray to do the final tightening up.  With the bike running and the odd squirt of spray you could hear when the clamp was tight and making a good seal without over tightening clamps.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: ODD JUDDER ON SLOW JUNCTIONS ETC
« on: 04 October 2020, 08:35:12 pm »
Thanks Darrsi.  Yep air filter and plugs and caps were done approx same month as carb balance. The reason for carb balance was poor running. And again it was one thing at a time,, till i found perished carb rubbers, in fact one was split. So after having everything of to fit new rubbers and also at that time i changed the throttle cable as the carb end was dry and a tad rusty.
And yep i use K&N filters, air and oil.


Because i use rear brake for tight turns i was never too bothered about the judder if i didnt use the brake as i thought it was cush drive related. But nope. And as i said theres no play any where else that i can find. Nothing was found when shes mot'd so onwards and forwards.


One thing that may have made a slight difference was when i changed spark plugs. There was nothing wrong with old ones i just decided to change to iridium ones,, just being nosey as i have read alot about them on here. I would say i found these smoother when bobbing in traffic. They seem more responsive when on/off throttle quick. Maybe just me.


After alot of reading i would say maybe the clutch has something to do with it. But theres no need for me to be in there at the moment.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: ODD JUDDER ON SLOW JUNCTIONS ETC
« on: 04 October 2020, 01:01:03 pm »
Wee confession time :o .  After a lot of reading and looking for a JUDDER spring as mentioned in Dman2019 post,, this is the Tension spring on the left of the engine. Oops :\ . I thought there was another spring somewhere in or around the clutch basket,,,nope.
But as usual i have been looking and reading about clutch related problems from way back on the Fazer and there have been some weired problems, with some good ideas and results of what is causing the problem,,,,and alot of head scratching :rolleyes .


But for me i think its just one of those things that make my Fazer a wee bit different but dosent affect her running. One possible idea for me is up 1 tooth on engine sprocket. Going from 15 to 16 seems in afew cases seems to smooth ride out. But for now ill stick with 15.
There was alot of noise related problems but some did not affect the bike running.
So for me ill wait and see how she goes. Maybe in future if clutch needs changing then ill see what happens but for now dosent affect performance so ill ride on.
Well suns out , so time for wee spin.  ;)

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: ODD JUDDER ON SLOW JUNCTIONS ETC
« on: 03 October 2020, 03:08:02 pm »
Hard to explain.  :rolleyes . Not wrong gear choice. Like Fazerider i use rear brake to smooth out the likes of slow 2nd gear corners/junctions. 1st too slow, 3rd to high. On say a flat 2nd gear junction, just at the point of acceleration if i dont use rear brake you can feel a slight judder. Not before entering the junction, its the point that you would be round , applying throttle to change up again. But a little gentle rear brake when turning in and no judder.
But the sort of junction i first mentioned. Again a 2nd gear junction if no traffic. Turn right into junction, slight up and turning back on yourself.
 Now, 1st too slow, 3rd too high for up and round. So 2nd. Now , as i go up and round , if i was to not use rear brake youd feel the bike judder until round and straight.  But , gentle rear brake and all is fine. A bit like using rear to pull you round.


But on a flat junction where youd think , just glide round in 2nd and away,  theres that wee judder. 3d too high, 1st too slow.
As its been like this since i got the bike ive always thought about it. And when any work has been done wondered if it would smooth it out a bit, but nothing has ever changed.
Then up pops this wee judder spring in the clutch. Where and when does it stop judder?  Would over the miles become stretched or worn that would make the bike judder at any point. If at the point your putting load onto the bike to accelerate from slow speed would or does it take any pressure form the clutch to perform. Just a wee thought that made me think a bit. What juddering does it help and when?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: ODD JUDDER ON SLOW JUNCTIONS ETC
« on: 03 October 2020, 12:15:00 pm »
Whats it like ?  Its like taking a 2nd gear junction in 3rd, and comes from the middle to rear of the bike. And starts just at the point of accelerating. Once straightened up all is fine.  And to cure it, as Fazerider does and i do , is gentle drag on rear brake ;) .
But ive always thought it was just a little to much judder :\ [size=78%], without the rear brake drag,,, and so its always been on my mind is there something else that would smooth it out a bit more. [/size]
[/size][size=78%]Everything thats been done to the bike has made no difference. Chain is all ok. Carbs were balance a year ago , no difference. Throttle is quite responsive and again new cables last year,, no difference. [/size]
[/size][size=78%]But,,[/size] :rolleyes ,, this wee judder spring in the clutch.  Would that make any difference?  I dont know how much work this spring does and its in an engine that is coming up for 70,000 miles. So , it was just a wee thought.
Ive always used rear brake at slow riding, just wondering if i could make things smoother without rear brake.

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FZS600 Fazer / ODD JUDDER ON SLOW JUNCTIONS ETC
« on: 02 October 2020, 10:20:11 pm »
This is something that came with the bike and i have sort of got used too,, but  always been thinking about. :rolleyes  And now something in [size=0px]Dman2019[/size][/color]'s clutch change topic has got me thinking again.
Symptoms,  a judder felt when taking slow junctions. One i take quite often is , off a main road , turning right ,into a small rise and sort of back on yourself again.
Solution , a touch of rear brake and no judder :) ..
It can happen on any slow junction and i have just learned to live with touch the rear brake gently and no judder. Nothing has ever changed it , for example new cush drive rubbers, new chain and sprockets, new rear wheel bearings, new clutch cable. Rear swing arm has no play but havent done that yet. But,,, back to [/size][size=0px]Dman2019[/size]'s topic. It mentions a JUDDER SPRING :rolleyes [/size][size=78%],,, mmm,,,, judder[/size] :rolleyes [/size][size=78%] ,,, well thats what im feeling,,, so any ideas.[/size] ;)
This isnt urgent, as ive got used to it. But if i have spare time or even just serviceing the old bike , do you think it would be worth a wee look.
Any suggestions welcome.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 lights not working
« on: 24 May 2020, 07:44:15 pm »
One wee idea as this happened to me before. Check ignition wires. I went all through wires, connectors , switches but not ignition switch. Someone said put key in , switch on and headlight switch on, and gently move wires at the bottom of ignition, even steer left to right a few times and see if they come on. They did. I had broken wire in the ignition. And if theres a problem with it, theres a post somewhere on here to take it apart.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Headlights
« on: 24 May 2020, 07:33:23 pm »
And I know this will be NOTICED , the last pic has went upside down :'( , oops. :lol . And just to finish this one of relays . So hope that gives you some idea of what I done. And with diagram as mentioned you get great headlights. Even with standard H4 bulbs. Oh and pass switch that works. And it will pass any MOT. You will have to adjust headlight beam but you will have to do that with any kind of headlight mod, and that dosent take long.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Headlights
« on: 24 May 2020, 07:24:39 pm »

Some pics to go with previous post H1 to H4, not the best but will give idea. I actually found the first resin ring which will help with the idea I had. I didn't use enough resin first time so it wasn't large enough.   The resin ring was made using the rubber boot from behind the headlight. I wont show photo of that. The relays I mounted behind crossbar behind main wiring. Some have put relays somewhere behind clocks but I found there was enough space here. I also ran new wires to headlights, just seemed easier to me. To attach spring I used small picture hook and part of the H1 fitting that I had to cut off to enlarge the hole for the H4 bulb.Then along with wiring diagram , job done. And most important part , I got LIGHTS :rolleyes :rolleyes .
I was just going to go to scrap yard and find an old headlight with H4 fitting and cut it down to fit headlight. This would be a lot easier.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Headlights
« on: 23 May 2020, 10:00:01 pm »

Just to add a wee bit. There was a post from His Dudeness in January - ignition switch circuit - which had a wiring diagram for headlight upgrade using 2 relays to convert to using 2, H4 bulbs. The wiring diagram was supplied by limax2, and is easy to follow, even me :)
The only thing to think about is making a holder to convert H1 side to H4. I used the rubber boot from behind headlight to make a ring using fibre glass resin. Then using Dremel ,cut in a H4 bulb shape into hard resin. You can get a spring clip from Halfords to then hold a H4 bulb.  Then enlarged the H1 hole in headlight to accept the H4 bulb. I used more resin to hold my new holder to rear of reflector.
In the post it says "lights are 10 times better" , I would say more than 10 , even with standard H4 Bulbs. I have spots on my bike too. Since doing this to headlight I have only used the spots when it gets foggy :) .
I also done away with that silly side light bulb and put in two LED 501 bulbs from Halfords. Ive attached a couple of pics. Hope they work.
With the wiring diagram from limax2 it makes this job a lot easier, and gives the Fazer headlights that work. I do quite a lot of night riding and this makes it a lot more enjoyable .

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 has stopped working
« on: 06 May 2020, 03:27:08 pm »

Just a wee thought.
You said you gave it full choke and half throttle and she fired, but anymore throttle and she died.
Try no throttle, even if sounds crap, just leave to heat up.
Again try combinations of choke, none and try, half and try , then full and try. No throttle.
Then same as above with a little throttle, but if she fires , no more throttle till theres a little heat in there.
A warn engine is always easier to work on.
And as above try to if she fires try and get some sort of easy start in there as well, even just all round carbs to make sure there all sealed up, and not drawing air from somewhere.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 has stopped working
« on: 04 May 2020, 02:13:18 am »

This is something you could try. Ive done it before to kick an engine into life.
Youll need an extra pair of hands, old spark plugs (optional) two spark plug sockets and a small blowtorch. And good gloves.
What you do is simply heat the end of the spark plugs,, and only the end. And the quicker you do it the better it works. That's where the second pair of hands comes in, one each side of engine.
Take plugs out and heat just the end of the plug, Not Red Hot , but get them fairly hot as you want the still to be hot when you put them back in. As I said the quicker you get them in the better. Take care not to over tighten plugs when putting them in !!! at this point they just have to be IN , slightly loose by a turn wont matter at this point , as you just want to keep heat in the plugs to try and start the engine.
Have the choke set to half open, and no throttle in the first instance. Only throttle if she fires.
Have a wee try to see how quick you can put plugs back in and remember they don't have to be exactly tightened. If you use an old set of plugs , youll change them back to good ones . You can while plugs are heating put a small amount of grease around plug holes just to help putting them in when they are hot. REMEMBER when applying heat to plugs, only the very end of the plug, You can hit the first couple of threads but try not too. I have done this in the past and it works. If you can keep the heat in the plug , it gives the impression you are starting a warm engine. And so if you apply a spark to heat, if there is any fuel in any of those bores it will fire.
 I used to use one of those portable gas cookers as you can place the plugs around the flame.  And on this to give some idea of heat required ,at least  5 mins on a portable gas cooker. If you try this and get no fire in any cylinder then defenetly no fuel is getting in there.
Then going back a bit you said this problem started after being out in the rain. Is something electrical killing the engine.
Well I hope you give this a try, and if she fires remember she might be rough so don't throttle to much as choke is half open.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Ignition circuit on bikes
« on: 17 January 2020, 04:31:10 pm »

Thank you for diagram layout :) . Ive been trying this for a while as I have a headlight which I have fitted two H4 bulbs. But when it comes to auto electrics I somehow get lost :rolleyes . So it will now be 2 relays soon , and ill give this a go.
To explain how lost I get with electrics, put two LED sidelights in,,,, and they blew to bits. :'( Going to try other type of LED's and see if they work.
But will give this a try with headlighs when I get time. Ive took the time to modify the headlight to two H4, so shame not to put to full use.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: What have you done to your FZS600 bike today
« on: 12 January 2020, 07:40:13 pm »
Hope the attachment works. After seeing LED sidelights , I decided to fit 2 of these. Looked good :) twin sidelights and bright :) . Then went for a wee spin,,, and when I got back,,, looked at lights,,, :eek :eek , all I could see inside headlight was bits of LED's  :'( . Have they fell to bits or went bang ,,, I don't know :\ . But wont be using these again. :\

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: STAY SAFE
« on: 05 December 2019, 01:18:19 pm »
Thanks dazza. Shes pretty bruised up but walking and talking. So far nothing on van yet. Apparently some of the cameras were facing the other way when it happened, so don't know how much attention the police will give this. There was a car involved in this too but because the van had stopped they hadn't looked at its registration. But by the time they had got out the van just drove off.

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