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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: 70s kid on 06 September 2013, 12:21:37 pm
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Hi all. Can anyone tell me if another Yamaha uses the same levers as the 99 fazer 600. Trying to find some folding extendable ones (Silver with blue adjusters). "PLEASE HELP" ;) 70s Kid (Paul)
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There's shit loads on ebay for the Fazer mate?
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Hi Paul, I understand your problem , I had the same, I bought a clutch lever bracket for a Suzuki SV and bought a pair of levers for an SV, £ 19.99 delivered,when I get a min I will post link to a very nice chinese man on EBay, Fraser
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Hi Paul, search ebay item number 350648542254 he's even got sale on at the moment, so a lot less than £20 delivered. read his instructions and specify colour and length, got mine within 2 weeks, look good and feel soo much better.
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I know everyone says these cheap levers are great but the thoughts of swaping to them makes me laugh. The one thing that you definitely want to be top quality 100% reliable never going to fail is the brake lever :lol But foc it sure lets stick 10 quid made in China levers on :lol
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I know wot u mean dudeness fair point. I paid 40 shekels for mine 18 munf ago and had no drama apart from the finish comin away a bit on the left selector. Good buy imo. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/10/y2y6e8eq.jpg)
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Thats the same ones i got exup & im happy with that as i don't even do rain riding.i think the movements are really positive & toyt....toyt loyk a toyger.
On the basis of my chocolate yamaha handlebars & levers id say equal quality but i suppose time will tell.
P.S im only adding Blue bits to try & slow me down a bit! :b
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They do look the business and they're probably fine, lots of people use them but to me it seems like using them is creating a potential failure point where there wasn't one before.
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Im with you Dude
but i crashed mine & they got bent.
I am the weak point :lol
I am weak!!! :'(
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Don't worry noggy we've all hit the deck at some point and don't forget chicks dig scars!
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He he
Well coz im hard, & like you say chicks dig it.....i picked my scab off!...showed my missus...got a bollocking! :rolleyes , she works in the vets, says i'll get a nasty scar..tried telling her that was the point...oh well...now she's gonna put me down :D , she still gives me a Bonio!, & a dog biscuit too! :b
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Be careful or she'll stick one of those cones on your head :lol
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I know everyone says these cheap levers are great but the thoughts of swaping to them makes me laugh. The one thing that you definitely want to be top quality 100% reliable never going to fail is the brake lever :lol But foc it sure lets stick 10 quid made in China levers on :lol
well... I paid 130 squid for my Pazzos for my other bike and compared them to a 30 squid pair from hong kong and there wasn't much in it. With your wisdom,you would probably pay 60 quid plus for exactly the same lever cos you are confusing price with quality, you wouldn't be able to tell. You have probably already bought far Eastern stuff unwittingly unless you always buy gen yam. Kafas unite
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You seem to know a lot about what I'd buy. Was that you going through my bins last night? :lol I'm not confusing anything I'm just saying I wouldn't swap the yamaha levers for chinese copy levers. Hope that's ok with you?
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You seem to know a lot about what I'd buy. Was that you going through my bins last night? :lol I'm not confusing anything I'm just saying I wouldn't swap the yamaha levers for chinese copy levers. Hope that's ok with you?
absolutely, I'm just saying they are fine in my experience, hope you're okay with that ;)
They are pretty good, but I respect your choice, not sure I would put them on my other bike but I know people that have done 50 000 hard miles using them. Same spec material, same type of CNC machining and so on. Thankfully we all have a choice.
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And i hope thats ok with you....if your ok with that lol
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I always find that once you buy a set of Chinese levers, i feel like buying another set about an hour later........ :b
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I always find that once you buy a set of Chinese levers, i feel like buying another set about an hour later........ :b
great reply. Love it
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No probs with mine!
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Time to stick my oar in and get a mouthful :b
I'd say there main aspects to this are price/ethics and quality/reliability.
Price & Ethics
The main benefit of paying less for this in China is mainly due to, in my opinion, child labour and/or environmental disregard (churning out polluted water/air) this is the ethics dilemma, by buying from the far east you are improving the eastern economy at the cost of European jobs and supporting communism.
Quality & Reliability
I think pretty much any developed country has access to aluminium billet and CNC machines. The aluminium and plastic quality will be down to the design and specification, neither of which you will know. There is also the design, which may have been tested on a functional basis, but possibly not on a durability basis.
Conclusion
By buying a cheap third party unit you risk premature failure, design weakness and/or lack of process control/QA, by buying a higher quality (possibly european) part you will most likely have the benefit (read beaurocracy) of more testing and quality control but at a monetary cost. The chinese and/or Japanese parts may be perfectly functional and fulfil your needs but you'll only be able to tell by rolling the dice and seeing how they last. Of course on ebay you could also buy a set of Yamaha levers to find that they were copies of the higher quality items anyway.
Of course the specification and the design could have been done in the USA or UK and they just produce them, but how would you know ?
Don't get me wrong, China creates a lot of very high quality parts and can do so cheaply, but the cheapness is unethical :-)..... (now I'm off to ebay to buy some cheap knock off Chinese levers)
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Simonm - there are so many things wrong in your statement that I don't know where to start :o
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Yamaha are Japanese!!! :rolleyes
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Simonm - there are so many things wrong in your statement that I don't know where to start :o
I can tell you it doesn't answer your original question :lol
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Yamaha are Japanese!!! :rolleyes
Yes, but in order to import their bikes in to the UK they go go through vehicle testing. And are sold through a uk distributor and are subject to UK law. Buying a pair of levers from China or Japan direct would, I think, make you responsible if a question of liability arose. All of this is just my opinion.
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As an aside I've just been told by a friend who works in the east that Japanese parts are generally better than Chinese parts.
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Having lived in Japan for several years and having taken Japanese Studies at university, Japan is one of the few things I know about pretty well. I also know a thing or two about the Japanese motorcycle and motorcycle accessories industry.
Are you seriously suggesting that buying Japanese or Chinese made products is unethical on the basis that you would be supporting communism and that during manufacture, child labour and environmentally detrimental means were employed?
Everybody is entitled to an opinion but it helps if some or any part of it is based on a fact. If you don't know what you're talking about, especially on a public forum and when it concerns culture and race, perhaps it is best if you keep those opinions to yourself.
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Having lived in Japan for several years and having taken Japanese Studies at university, Japan is one of the few things I know about pretty well. I also know a thing or two about the Japanese motorcycle and motorcycle accessories industry.
Are you seriously suggesting that buying Japanese or Chinese made products is unethical on the basis that you would be supporting communism and that during manufacture, child labour and environmentally detrimental means were employed?
Everybody is entitled to an opinion but it helps if some or any part of it is based on a fact. If you don't know what you're talking about, especially on a public forum and when it concerns culture and race, perhaps it is best if you keep those opinions to yourself.
......BANZI... 8)
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I did retract the reference to Japan being communist and/or child labour through edit way before you posted but I apologise for my misconceptions. Regarding those two facts.
In my opinion what I said about China still stands and if it isn't based on fact then it's still my opinion. I've spent a great deal of time on forums reading comments from people that don't know what they're talking about and if that applies to me in this occasion then C'est la vie. If you're going to contradict it also helps to provide some useful links to reinforce your specific points as I'll be happy to read them and change my point of view.
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not sure what i believe the most.........japanese parts better than chinese...or...simon has a friend !!!
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not sure what i believe the most.........japanese parts better than chinese...or...simon has a friend !!!
Ignorance is bliss huh. :rollin
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I did retract the reference to Japan being communist and/or child labour through edit way before you posted but I apologise for my misconceptions. Regarding those two facts.
In my opinion what I said about China still stands and if it isn't based on fact then it's still my opinion. I've spent a great deal of time on forums reading comments from people that don't know what they're talking about and if that applies to me in this occasion then C'est la vie. If you're going to contradict it also helps to provide some useful links to reinforce your specific points as I'll be happy to read them and change my point of view.
I'll avoid getting into a discussion about China or Japan, but if you have an interest, I think reading the Wiki pages for both of those countries could be a good start.
In regards to aftermarket Japanese made m/c parts and accessories, I would be inclined to disagree with you and say that like many things made in Japan, due to the high cost of labour and perceived high quality (by some at least!), they are more likely to sit towards the middle and higher end of the market and that the price usually reflects this by being high. Examples of such products that fit this description are made by brands like Yoshimura, Kushitani, Arai and Shoei.
Having said all of that, ultimately, the quality of a product can not be determined simply by the country it was made in.
*Edit: Forgot to add that I have a pair of these levers, very happy :thumbup
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Just tested out my chinese levers for the first time today & i can confirm that they are the cats tits! 8)
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Having said all of that, ultimately, the quality of a product can not be determined simply by the country it was made in.
I would say that the trade descriptions act, ISO standards, trading standards and legal recourse in the UK (perhaps even europe) would make the selling of an item which was unfit for purpose highly unlikely, at least for long.
I do agree however that YMMV for anything that you buy from any country.
Again, just personal opinion.
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Wow... so simonm has gone one step further...
Starts off by annoying some foccers and is now stepping up to an international audience... better not say anything bad about cagers or they'll be out to run you over more so than usual! :eek
As an aside, Japan make some of the best crafted and engineered parts in world (in my opinion) and have nothing to do with communism (that's just being racist...) Their engineering is almost as good as that of the Germans. As for standards; isn't the Nissan GTR built in Japan in hermetically sealed labs?
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Wow... so simonm has gone one step further...
Starts off by annoying some foccers and is now stepping up to an international audience... better not say anything bad about cagers or they'll be out to run you over more so than usual! :eek
As an aside, Japan make some of the best crafted and engineered parts in world (in my opinion) and have nothing to do with communism (that's just being racist...) Their engineering is almost as good as that of the Germans. As for standards; isn't the Nissan GTR built in Japan in hermetically sealed labs?
I did retract and apologise about Japan over 6 hours ago... If you're just reading this thread now I don't see anything in my comments about Japan that don't apply anywhere, but if there is I meant just China.
Further more just because a Nissan gtr is a beautiful, kick ass stunning beast of a machine it doesn't mean that a set of brake levers from another nameless Japanese manufacturer is top notch.
I'm not sure being communist is racism either as many different races could or could not be communist...
Wait a min. I'm being drawn in. Time to escape the thread, jettison escape pod.
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Simon.....STFU :-)
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Aww you caught on too quick :P
And besides, the same can be said as far as UK manufacturing goes.
In the grand scheme of things, you can't compare China to Japan in this sense
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Ive already sold 5 sets of my Hayabusa levers whilst yous guys tittle tattle.....straight off my old Grifter, Wolf, Muddy fox, GT & Barbie bikes!!!! :b
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Your levers r similar to mine but mine extend in/out whereas your r fixed length. Na Na ....Na..Na Na...
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Your levers r similar to mine but mine extend in/out whereas your r fixed length. Na Na ....Na..Na Na...
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Aha but you are mistaken sir as mine also have this function, i take it its for if you drop the bike instead of snapping off?
I dont have the bit of plastic behind the finger piece though, no cheap plastic for me :)
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Ur levers DO NOT EXTEND Mr Nogster. They are flip levers in case of a drop but u dont have the adjustment for the LENGTH OF THE LEVER.
Mine....
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/17/7y8e5aga.jpg)
Yours....
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/17/uha5e7u4.jpg)
Therefore mine are fast and far superior whereas yours are just fast ;-)
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Chinese stuff tends to be cheaper also because they don't mind so much about copyright laws and as such R&D is much cheaper - buy one, take it down a machine shop and get them to copy it :D Also with Japanese/Western stuff you pay for the name a lot of the time which can bump up the price a lot.
I plan on getting some of these levers when I pull my finger out, the long brake lever is a pain in the arse while filtering.
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He he exup...youd be surprised how many speed reducing Blue bits my bike now has...
Ive got a "certificate of Blueness authenticity"
I get to show it in court if cought speeding....
"You're honour i couldnt possibly have been doing 60mph as this certificate proves that Blue will simply not reach such speeds" :D
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Hey Nog... If u post nothing i'll just think your deluded :-))
Seriously tho ... Ows the injuries ? healin ok? U feelin ok in ur ead bout the accident? Ridden since?
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Hey Nog... If u post nothing i'll just think your deluded :-))
Seriously tho ... Ows the injuries ? healin ok? U feelin ok in ur ead bout the accident? Ridden since?
I was out yesterday to put the bike in the garage, loved it!... i was nervous,not about riding a bike...about my dodgy mechanics & whether i tightened up the front forks enough :eek
It was even dry for the 30 minutes i was on it,pissed down rest of the day....divine intervention me thinks :D
I have got a tendency to approach cars a bit too quickly, they go so foccin slow!!!...so im addressing that & trying to keep good gaps so if they pull any crazy moves im ready.i locked up last winter because i came round a corner too quick & then cought up with a car too quickly even though at first glance it seemed miles away...i did get off the brake that time & my bike boots took a hit to the deck so that was a sign...like i say thats an area i need to address & recognising it is the first step. 8)
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It's all part of the learning curve Noggy, and it sounds to me like you're taking it all in. I find that when I'm in a good safe riding mode, there are very few people who leave as great a gap as I do between themselves and the vehicle in front, yet I doubt I'm beyond the recommended braking distances. Yes, others will try to take the piss to fill the gap you leave, but then you just drop back from them too.
One thing that gets me to slow down and just generally ride a lot more safely is my little mantra: there'll always be another time - typically applied when there is slow traffic in front on my favourite roads. But, on my planet we're very similar to you humans, not infallible, and there are times when we do silly things. We just try to minimise the risks when we can. There are times and places for spirited riding, and that's one reason I get as much riding time in as I can, create more of those times, in the right (or "more right") places.
Then again, on my planet, we can be very weird...
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Then again, on my planet, we can be very weird...
I'mm sooooooo tempted..... But i wont....:-) after all e doo mek a great cuppa
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Then again, on my planet, we can be very weird...
I'mm sooooooo tempted..... But i wont....:-) after all e doo mek a great cuppa
Not sure you should try visiting my planet Exup - very few humans can survive it for long.
Squirrels on the other hand...foc it, give it a go! :lol
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Chinese stuff tends to be cheaper also because they don't mind so much about copyright laws and as such R&D is much cheaper - buy one, take it down a machine shop and get them to copy it :D Also with Japanese/Western stuff you pay for the name a lot of the time which can bump up the price a lot.
I plan on getting some of these levers when I pull my finger out, the long brake lever is a pain in the arse while filtering.
nothing to do with the labour rate then?? :rolleyes :D
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Hehe......or supporting communism.... Does he know fuzzy is japanese...( hope he does now) :-)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/18/ynu7yza5.jpg)
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:rollin
Is this the latest hair style then?! Can't wait to see it - hmmm, will it go with a PVC suit d'ya think? :lol
By the way, all that fuss about a LoFo ride to Brighton, and who was absent? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
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Chinese stuff tends to be cheaper also because they don't mind so much about copyright laws and as such R&D is much cheaper - buy one, take it down a machine shop and get them to copy it :D Also with Japanese/Western stuff you pay for the name a lot of the time which can bump up the price a lot.
I plan on getting some of these levers when I pull my finger out, the long brake lever is a pain in the arse while filtering.
nothing to do with the labour rate then?? :rolleyes :D
BRIC - Brazil, Russia, India, China - the tables are turning, get used to it!
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U mean Steeeereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeewaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!66666666666666666666666666666......ur right... Where was E? Maybe he knows the gimp
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U mean Steeeereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeewaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!66666666666666666666666666666......ur right... Where was E? Maybe he knows the gimp
Er, maybe he was the gimp? Did he have "KTM" on the back of that outfit you saw?
"Here's one Virgil, y'all bring the rope?"
Steeeeeeve..?
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Hi all. Feel my post got hijacked a bit there lol. But hey nvr mind "I like causing controversy "NOT". Wish I had read the replies earlier , Got my chinky levers within five days "Think that's bloody good service considering their from the other side of the planet" Anyhoo got them fitted and can honestly say" I Love em." Will sort out a pic once it stops pissing down. ;) 70s kid (Paul)
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Hi all. Feel my post got hijacked a bit there lol. But hey nvr mind "I like causing controversy "NOT". Wish I had read the replies earlier , Got my chinky levers within five days "Think that's bloody good service considering their from the other side of the planet" Anyhoo got them fitted and can honestly say" I Love em." Will sort out a pic once it stops pissing down. ;) 70s kid (Paul)
good for you. Some of the ne'er do wells seem to think a cast lever from Yamaha is stronger than a billet lever from T8082 :D if that's really what they are made from. Once you have used a decent cranked lever, you will hate standard levers.
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Hi all. Feel my post got hijacked a bit there lol. But hey nvr mind "I like causing controversy "NOT". Wish I had read the replies earlier , Got my chinky levers within five days "Think that's bloody good service considering their from the other side of the planet" Anyhoo got them fitted and can honestly say" I Love em." Will sort out a pic once it stops pissing down. ;) 70s kid (Paul)
Nice one mate, look forward to seeing them.
I got a demand from tnt saying im due them £20 import tax but im ignoring it as they were marked $20 USD,
They can whistle for their 20. Quid! ;)
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Hi all. Feel my post got hijacked a bit there lol. But hey nvr mind "I like causing controversy "NOT". Wish I had read the replies earlier , Got my chinky levers within five days "Think that's bloody good service considering their from the other side of the planet" Anyhoo got them fitted and can honestly say" I Love em." Will sort out a pic once it stops pissing down. ;) 70s kid (Paul)
good for you. Some of the ne'er do wells seem to think a cast lever from Yamaha is stronger than a billet lever from T8082 :D if that's really what they are made from. Once you have used a decent cranked lever, you will hate standard levers.
Just what I was going to ask. I have standard levers, what benefits and disadvantages will I notice between short and long levers? I'd never given it any thought until this thread.
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I've had CNC short levers on the bike for about 2 weeks, I'm only a weekend rider so have only done about 200 miles so far but as 2 fingers are always on the bars I feel more locked to the bike, especially when hard braking. I know you can use 2 fingers on the long levers but it never quite feels right. I'm guessing that there's also maybe less tendency to lock up the front as you're only grabbing the brake with 2 fingers rather than 4. For heavy clutchwork when filtering through traffic I also seem to be more in control as more of me is on the bars.
Some like 'em, some don't...seems to be a personal choice I guess but they deffo suit me, best £23 I spent yet.