Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 12:44:32 pm
Ok so my requirements are "ideal world" dreams & i realise there will always be a compromise.
Ok...me...31 year old...6 foot tall & heavy at circa 15 & a half stone before clothing.....long legged.
What riding do i do.....fun & hooning with a little bit of scenery loving...fair weather....usually 200 to 300 miles per ride.....i try to keep speeds down to circa 80mph & keep fun for the corners.....rarely go over the tonne....usually by mistake or briefly to get passed stuff or because my bike is coming on song.....wanna keep my licence.
Type of roads.....Mainly well surfaced fast twisty A roads with consecutive quick left/rights......plus some medium speed imperfect B roads with varying surfaces...the odd dual carriageway just to get to the above roads.
What power delivery do i want....grunt up to 100mph...after that I'm not bothered.....hence i've decided that a large capacity inline 4 isnt for me.....prob a twin...maybe a triple...i want overtaking ability so from 50/60mph to 90mph.....I'm guessing this is in the mid range bracket......I'm not a wheely monster or show off at the traffic lights so i don't even fully need the low down or the top end......just the mid range once im up & moving.....idon't want snatchyness or surging whilst in mid corner so a smooth throttle or delivery for powering round would be nice.
What quality am i looking at...ok top quality...trick parts....performance stuff....I've done budget..now i want something quality straight outta the box without needing upgrades.
Reliability & maintaing costs.... ok so who doesn't want good reliability..goes without saying really but i don't want something prone to dodgy electrics or the kind of issues that even mechanics struggle to figure out.....i'll be looking more towards dealer servicing apart from the very basic stuff like oil changes & lubing.
Ergonomics.....a big bike....weight isn't too important so long as it doesn't detract from handling.I'm big enough to man handle at slow speed ...but i want the bike looking proportionate to my size....not like an adult sitting on a kids plastic red tractor......i want more leg room so a high seat is fine & i also like to be high up to see over traffic for overtakes & generally give a greater field of vision for obstacles & killer objects (cars at junctions etc).....a pillion seat is good but i don't really care how comfy a pillion is.....wide bars like my renthal 758's are a requirement.....no superbike stance......a fairing isnt important as i do fine on my fighter with no wind protection & if i drop it i want to minimise cosmetic damage to plastics.
Bikes i've narrowed down to so far are as follows:-
Fazer8.....ok I'm trying to give fazers a chance here...mid range probably quite good .....but still revs high & is pricey & is a bit small, lower than my old 600 & prob a bit cramped.....defo the underdog which is appealing.
Fz1 gen 2....excellent handling & performance, but dont look any bigger than the fazer8.....& with all that top end i fear my licence wouldn't last very long.
BMW F800S........seem like nice bikes...grunty....not that big though....not sure about belt drive either.
BMW F800R.......so chain drive...no adjustable front suspension though & looks too tiny.
Yamaha TRX850....nice sensible road power delivery...but sporty riding position..old as the hills...drink oil...& not many around.....probably too costly & full of problems....no thanks...poor trx...do have a soft spot.
Triumph street triple r- oo la la.....what a machine...trick stuff, good power delivery, awesome induction noise, excellent handling....but not a tall bike....& not overly big either but still being european maybe slightly more proportional than a jap bike....one of the main contenders at the moment.
KTM 990 SM.....fits the bill really....big engine but more for the grunt than the top end...i really like these....im just not sure about KTM in general...apparently reliability is now good but it does worry me a little bit.
Aprillia Tuono V4......such lovely machines....someone on here is selling one...fits the bill....again slightly worried about reliability & who is best for dealer access & reliability KTM or Aprillia????
Aprillia Dorsoduro....again as above...supposed to be a more road biased version of the KTM 990.
Any more suggestions or comments most appreciated, have i missed out a whole genre or engine type maybe?
Post by: ogri48 on 22 March 2014, 01:18:08 pm
Probably the best looking all rounder I've ever owned but unfortunately it can't carry a pallet of bricks and a tonne of sand. Foccers get a good discount and a carbon can chucked in... :lol
Post by: slimwilly on 22 March 2014, 01:21:46 pm
trike |
Supposedly amazing on Welsh roads at your speeds :lol
Post by: mickvp on 22 March 2014, 02:02:14 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 02:32:52 pm
I got this one on flea bay as I've hadta get a new van :'( Solid bike and then some, always draws a crowd, proper one off.
Probably the best looking all rounder I've ever owned but unfortunately it can't carry a pallet of bricks and a tonne of sand. Foccers get a good discount and a carbon can chucked in... :lol
Nice bike Ogri....went to a yam dealer last week & ended up getting attracted to one of these that they had...well proportioned & comfy......but much more than i need...& maybe not as shifty around the b roads as some others...they look the business & quality will be top notch.
Maybe you could buy Christos trailer for those bricks. :D [size=78%] [/size]
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 02:35:52 pm
Mr Nogster ,,this is MADE for you !!!!!
Supposedly amazing on Welsh roads at your speeds :lol
Nice & high up riding position too...nice find...does it come with a basket for my doggy bag?...i like to keep well stocked up on pastry snacks....you never know when you could become stranded without food for up 2 hours :eek
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 02:38:47 pm
honda VTR1000? or the VFR1200?
Nice suggestions Mick....always liked those SP1 & SP2's but they a little small...perhaps a VFR 750 would be nice but maybe not radical enough of a change.....a very nice vfr got flogged on here last year or the year before...i was salivating......but o wouldnt want the vtec version....i liked my vtec car...but too much top end for my requirements.
Post by: bigbluebear on 22 March 2014, 02:46:21 pm
Post by: mickvp on 22 March 2014, 03:05:13 pm
honda VTR1000? or the VFR1200?
Nice suggestions Mick....always liked those SP1 & SP2's but they a little small...perhaps a VFR 750 would be nice but maybe not radical enough of a change.....a very nice vfr got flogged on here last year or the year before...i was salivating......but o wouldnt want the vtec version....i liked my vtec car...but too much top end for my requirements.
The VTR1000 and SP1 are very different beasts. The SP1's are much racier, with better suspension, bug are also rarer and more expensive.
Post by: adeejaysdelight on 22 March 2014, 03:50:31 pm
Post by: lew600fazer on 22 March 2014, 03:53:13 pm
Post by: Frosties on 22 March 2014, 03:54:42 pm
I got this one on flea bay as I've hadta get a new van :'( Solid bike and then some, always draws a crowd, proper one off.
Probably the best looking all rounder I've ever owned but unfortunately it can't carry a pallet of bricks and a tonne of sand. Foccers get a good discount and a carbon can chucked in... :lol
Love these Paul........actually watching yours - its the fairing and HID i like :lol :lol
How about a Kawa Z1000 2003-06 like this Noggy
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kawasaki+z1000+2003&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C7AtU9WoC4fX0QX6q4GQBQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=653#q=kawasaki+z1000+2006&tbm=isch (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kawasaki+z1000+2003&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=C7AtU9WoC4fX0QX6q4GQBQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=653#q=kawasaki+z1000+2006&tbm=isch)
Post by: esetest on 22 March 2014, 04:00:34 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 04:41:15 pm
Keep the ideas flowing chaps....
Im not looking for a traditional sportsbike so thunderace is off the radar, although i appreciate that compared to modern stuff they are more sports tourer...i like em...but they aint fitting with my needs......the big capacity nakeds are tempting though...but outta them id probably go for the CB1000r because although not as powerful as its competition like the Z1000 it apparently handles much better & that's what i'm looking for.......ok so im not at the stage of test rides quite yet...i've done allot of you tube riding though :rolleyes .....as nice as a bike like the CB1000r would be it looks like it is almost too perfected....too smoothe & linear.....performs mightily but perhaps lacks the character.
Side note-i was reading last weeks MCN & apparently yamaha are starting to do away with downpipe link pipes because bikes have almost become too perfect but lack character & so they are reintroducing imperfections...perhaps in future it will be back to powerbands....just for the crack like...something i've never experienced.....ok car talk..excuse me...i had a type-r civic vtec car for 4 years..fitted a k&N typhoon air intake......man that thing sounded awesome....it was addictive......performance or not that engine was worth it just for that induction noise reverberating inside the stainless intake.....totally musical 8) ..all part of the experience.
That brings me back to the Tuono & the Street triple...(speed triple out of budget :( )......they sound amazing, look good, perform well & are just look like allot of fun...i know someone on here sold their thou & got a triple, had a video up of it on arrow exhausts & i think Rayburn is selling or has sold a Tuono so would be interesting to hear the experiences.......i was yapping to my old man on the phone about Tuonos...he says to me "oh yeah bob has one o them but he can't go slow on it, makes him a hooligan"........firstly i thought.....well that sounds pretty foccin sweet then.....& secondly i thought.....hang on there dad...you act like a bloody hooligan on your FZ6 & you're 61.....& you acted like a hooligan on your FZS600 before that & your Vmax......& no doubt all your previous bikes......so you'd act like a holligan if you were on YB125 but what's the difference......well you'll get splatted.....why not have a machine to match your needs....which by the way his FZ6 as crap as they are touted to be-is......but i think he's still missing out a little bit.
Post by: mickvp on 22 March 2014, 04:49:14 pm
I think your honing in on the correct type of bikes, those Triumphs are certainly not lacking in character. Im sure someone will have a left hand suggestion that may be of interest to you as well 8)
What about a Superduke? think you suggested this in your OP, seem a nice bike.
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 05:36:07 pm
I'll look into the VTR....perhaps there is a wide bar conversion & it could be a cheap compromise option with good quality....i dont like superbike bars...im scared of tank wobblers...i need more leverage...i liken it to those powerball strength training things...get the frequency wrong & your focced & no ammount of movement will get you out of it...i know it is chance speed, frequency, undulations related but na no thanks i at least want the thought that i have more chance of not having one.
Street triple r is the most obvious answer i think though....but i like being the outsider so maybe the obvious answer....i'd love to say i got a BMWf800 & took on the triumph.....but that is often my downfall....if it looks good, feels good, sounds good..then i should buy good, not almost good just to prove a point & i am learning that....fazer was also an obvious choice & i havent regretted that.
& those KTM things...well what can i say...they'll sure be performers...but there's something about them that says to me they could just snap in half at any moment...totally unfounded of course but i cant quite put my finger on it.
Still want loads of feedback on the Tuono too
Right im back off to youtube whilst my missus is having a powernap.
Post by: ogri48 on 22 March 2014, 05:41:29 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 05:56:30 pm
Can't recommend a sorted fz1 enough nogster. Been out on mine all afternoon, only went out to pick up some lacquer and wet and dry and ended up doing 130 miles, despite the cold. They don't fetch a lot second hand, and I guess there not particularly fashionable falling in a bit of a no mans land between all the latest super nakeds and the more sensible gen 1, but bugger it's a good bike. When one had to go to pay for me van, I just couldn't bear to lose the yam, hence the cb1300 is on e bay. So light and nimble, (and like you I'm heavy), and so much fun whatever your doing or wherever your going.
This is the input i need see...& it seems to fit most of my criteria apart from top end is too tempting but if i could gear one to give more mid then it could be an option...i gotta say if they were commanding top dollar then my answer would be no....but again you make a good point that perhaps if they just aint the most fashionable right now then i could get a bargain....dek had or has his bike up for sale for 4k...modded up to its arsehole with trick bits & performance enhancing...........stuff.....it looked sweet...it is sad that when i went to yamaha last week they had no gen 2 thou...only the 8....i'll know in about 15 seconds whether it is what im looking at ergonomically...& devilsyam now seems to have an upgrade to raise the seat height a smidge too.
One thing that is shining through................[size=78%]..thous are good for big fuckers[/size] :lol
Post by: slimwilly on 22 March 2014, 06:49:18 pm
Can't recommend a sorted fz1 enough nogster. Been out on mine all afternoon, only went out to pick up some lacquer and wet and dry and ended up doing 130 miles, despite the cold. They don't fetch a lot second hand, and I guess there not particularly fashionable falling in a bit of a no mans land between all the latest super nakeds and the more sensible gen 1, but bugger it's a good bike. When one had to go to pay for me van, I just couldn't bear to lose the yam, hence the cb1300 is on e bay. So light and nimble, (and like you I'm heavy), and so much fun whatever your doing or wherever your going.
This is the input i need see...& it seems to fit most of my criteria apart from top end is too tempting but if i could gear one to give more mid then it could be an option...i gotta say if they were commanding top dollar then my answer would be no....but again you make a good point that perhaps if they just aint the most fashionable right now then i could get a bargain....dek had or has his bike up for sale for 4k...modded up to its arsehole with trick bits & performance enhancing...........stuff.....it looked sweet...it is sad that when i went to yamaha last week they had no gen 2 thou...only the 8....i'll know in about 15 seconds whether it is what im looking at ergonomically...& devilsyam now seems to have an upgrade to raise the seat height a smidge too.
One thing that is shining through................[size=78%]..thous are good for big fuckers[/size] :lol
Noggy , you are welcome to come over or meet half way and you can try my FZ1s, its the only way to find out :)
Post by: jeffco on 22 March 2014, 07:39:24 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 March 2014, 07:39:40 pm
Can't recommend a sorted fz1 enough nogster. Been out on mine all afternoon, only went out to pick up some lacquer and wet and dry and ended up doing 130 miles, despite the cold. They don't fetch a lot second hand, and I guess there not particularly fashionable falling in a bit of a no mans land between all the latest super nakeds and the more sensible gen 1, but bugger it's a good bike. When one had to go to pay for me van, I just couldn't bear to lose the yam, hence the cb1300 is on e bay. So light and nimble, (and like you I'm heavy), and so much fun whatever your doing or wherever your going.
This is the input i need see...& it seems to fit most of my criteria apart from top end is too tempting but if i could gear one to give more mid then it could be an option...i gotta say if they were commanding top dollar then my answer would be no....but again you make a good point that perhaps if they just aint the most fashionable right now then i could get a bargain....dek had or has his bike up for sale for 4k...modded up to its arsehole with trick bits & performance enhancing...........stuff.....it looked sweet...it is sad that when i went to yamaha last week they had no gen 2 thou...only the 8....i'll know in about 15 seconds whether it is what im looking at ergonomically...& devilsyam now seems to have an upgrade to raise the seat height a smidge too.
One thing that is shining through................[size=78%]..thous are good for big fuckers[/size] :lol
Noggy , you are welcome to come over or meet half way and you can try my FZ1s, its the only way to find out :)
Cheers Bill...mighty kind...must be sumingk about gen 2 owners...harsh but kind...dek was offering a test on his modded thou but he's in scotland.....i'd have to get fully insured if i did so id speak to my insurance about that...either that or id have to have the wonga to replace which i dont have right now but the offer of a spin is great.
Post by: stevierst on 22 March 2014, 08:30:41 pm
Another rival would be a speed triple, either a 955, or a 1050. That engine is addictive, and the chassis is almost like a BMX but can take bigger blokes. I think the street trip would be a bit too small for ya.
Tuono is a magnificent machine if your a v-twin fan, and reliability??? My bro-in-law has 48,000 on his Prilla, and it's still going strong!
Falco maybe if you wanted something different but still goes like the proverbial off a shovel.
If your after a new bike that's a bargain, the mt-09 is worth a sniff. It definately ticks all your boxes! Massive fun 8)
Cbf thou?? A torquey 4 pot that is like a gen 1 but with Honda character (a bit grey).
The venerable gen 1. If I needed just one bike for everything I do (16,000+ miles/annum) this would be it. Gotta be worth a lot of consideration!
Get out there and test a few.
Good luck with getting the bike for you :D
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 March 2014, 08:51:52 pm
KTM 1290 Super Duke R - The Beast Escape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMboFftXW-Q#ws)
Post by: mickvp on 22 March 2014, 08:55:11 pm
Post by: bigbluebear on 22 March 2014, 09:04:04 pm
Post by: Chris on 22 March 2014, 09:10:10 pm
Chris
Post by: Lez72 on 23 March 2014, 12:41:55 am
I personally think the Street Triple will be a bit cramped if you have long legs. You also mention you like to do 300 odd mile round trips and although most bikes will do this, there are obviously some that are better at it than others. I personally think bikes like the Street Triple, KTM, Tuono, MT09 etc would be a little tiresome over these distances but that's just my opinion as I haven't owned any of them but have considered them. I sat on a Tuono a couple of weeks back and the seat was like a plank. The same as with the MT09 and with the tank range of the MT09 you would have to fill up at least twice over 300 miles.
Have you considered (dare I say it) a Suzuki Bandit 1250 or a Triumph Tiger 1050 ? I'm thinking they are better for a taller rider, have plenty of grunt, are comfortable and could quite easily cover 300 mile stints. I'm also sure in the right hands they could be thrown around a fair bit too. Deceptively so in fact. The Tigers are still a bit expensive 2nd hand but the bandits are superb value for money. There is a 2011 model on Ebay at the minute with barely over 1000 miles on it for £4500 and it looks mint. They even made a limited edition streetfighter model of the 1250 with a single seat cowl, dual exit exhaust and Renthal bars as standard. Nothing groundbreaking I guess but they look pretty nice and the 1250 engine is allegedly a cracking engine with 80 ft lb of Torque delivered at around 3700 rpm.
They may not be what your looking for but if you go online and read the reviews, most of them are positive. I'll probably end up with something like that as although I can dream about a Ducati Hypermotard, MT09, Tuono V4R, KTM Superduke etc etc etc I don't really think they are mile munchers. I'm quite confident that they are stonking bikes but for me personally I imagine I would be wanting to go home after a 50 mile blast if my licence was still intact.
As a side note, Ogri's CB1300 looks awesome :b
Post by: Grandma on 23 March 2014, 07:19:41 am
Post by: Oldgit on 23 March 2014, 12:14:19 pm
Post by: stevierst on 23 March 2014, 12:36:39 pm
Don't expect it to go round corners quickly unless you spend a few quid on a new shock, the standard one is weighted for an 11 stone rider and bugger all damping! And yes, they came out of the factory like that.>:(
If I didn't have to spend £500+ on the sussies, I'd still have it.
As for a BMW, well you can look down your nose at other riders and not return the nod. :P
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 01:52:31 pm
Ok lads & ladettes.....really good input here, i hope it is interesting to see what else is out there, many of you have clearly been in this position before...many seem to perpetually be in this position.
I've been giving it much thought....& i've got time to change my mind....but at the moment it is a matter of narrowing down the test ride bikes.....& i've got quite a short list.....on paper i think i have a clear winner....mainly thanks to some of the others now being discounted really......yes it's a Honda :o .....The CB1000R.
Initial reasons to discount some of the others:-
KTM & Aprillias......i just can't convince myself that they will be long term reliable.
The others - either not sit up positions with wide bars, or not sweet enough in the handling departments, or too much top end.
But in close competition with the CB for the win is the FZ1 8) ....& im not just saying that to humour or keep us fazerists happy...it really is.......Not the gen 1 for me though....very nice bikes but i'm looking to go newer, more advanced technology...less age on the various parts regardless of mileage....& i want a nimble bike........the FZ1 is that nimble bike from all accounts......but one of my main criteria is grunt.....& the FZ1 seems to be about top end.....ok so it will be more grunty than my 600....but compared to the CB1000R then the Honda has the most grunt........so the contest is back to Handling.....for arguments sake i can't see that there is much between them....both have trick parts, good handling, 1000cc, & reliability.......See the pics for the type of trickeduptotheballsness i am after:-
One factor that has already been pointed out though is that the FZ1 is perhaps a little less fashionable at present & i can see this with the prices...there's basically a 1K difference between the Honda & the Yam.......& that's considerable.
but again back to power delivery...some reviews on MCN...ok they can talk shit but will be broadly accurate:-
FZ1:-
[font=]The Yamaha FZ1/FZS1000 is derived from the R1 which means the latest technology with proven reliability. Injection is quite sudden on the 2006 machines – it’s something you get used to or solve with a Power Commander and some dyno time - although it's much improved on 2007-on machines. A little more low and midrange power would be nice but the sensation of the top-end rush, amplified by the high bars, is astronomic.[/font]
[font=]ok so basically a really fun bike......but exactly the type of top end rush i am trying to get away from....fun....but licence defying.[/font]
[font=]CB1000R:-[/font]
[font=]The Honda CB1000R uses a 2007 FireBlade unit that has been retuned for maximum torque and midrange. It’s similar to the CBF1000 engine but gives stronger performance. As such, 130bhp is plenty but it’s more about the torque and the way the power is delivered that impresses. It comes on clean and fat to the point where sixth gear will pull 30mph with no shakes just clean drive. That said it doesn’t howl or really get you excited. It has the looks of something really aggressive but it never really wants to kick off. In comparison to the Speed Triple it’s not quite as raw, but that makes it easier to ride than all its rivals.[/font]
[font=]Boom!...just what i was after....but has less character.....but i'm thinking a fat exhaust would go some way to sorting that out...it is what im looking for...something big, handles nicely & has lots of grunt.[/font]
[font=]But there is 1 more important factor which the test rides will clarify......ergonomics......how squashed are my legs..how wide are the bars...how heavy do they feel....but i'll keep in mind that Devilsyam appears to have produced a jack up thingy for the gen 2 now.[/font]
[font=]I'm getting close though i reckon[/font]
[font=]Still haven't heard much about those belt drive BMW F800S....maybe not a big enough jump from the fazer i suspect?
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Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 02:47:02 pm
Another worthy contender......Kawasaki Z1000sx....sorry Lew i overlooked that one but i looked at the characteristics:
Kawasaki Z1000sx
It’s the same 1043 inline four cylinder engine from the Z1000. Thankfully Kawasaki haven’t de-tuned the engine or water downed any of the fun factor, so you still get a claimed 138bhp. But its not all about peak power - there is real usable grunt from as little as 4000rpm and a lovely spread of mid range grunt. Towards the top of the revs there's a nice little kick at 7,000, which adda a bit of zest. Fuelling is excellent - one of the best motors around at the moment combining real world usability and top end rush.
Post by: Chris on 23 March 2014, 02:53:33 pm
Z1000 is great fun, I've had a go of the naked z1000 but it's a licence looser mate... properly rev happy and don't realise how much you're pushing it until you look at the speedo, and that was with the wind blast of a naked so can only imagine it's worse on the faired one. Doing 80 half way through 3rd gear and it's begging to be opened up and before you even put it in 4th it's over the ton....
Chris
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 02:59:19 pm
Cb1000 would be great, plenty of grunt but as above it does feel a bit bland to ride, got to try one to see what you think of it though!
Z1000 is great fun, I've had a go of the naked z1000 but it's a licence looser mate... properly rev happy and don't realise how much you're pushing it until you look at the speedo, and that was with the wind blast of a naked so can only imagine it's worse on the faired one. Doing 80 half way through 3rd gear and it's begging to be opened up and before you even put it in 4th it's over the ton....
Chris
Ye i thought it might be a bit fast...prob out of my price range too
The CB looks the tits...perhaps a little boring delivery compared to other thous...from youtube it is kind of smooth like the FZ8 & the FZ8 looked a little lacklustre in that department....but then FZ8 owners dont seem to care about that so maybe the whole experience is different, i wonder will all that extra oomph & quality compared to my old 600 will it still seem exciting....can't wait to try it and the FZ1 and find out.
Post by: mickvp on 23 March 2014, 03:07:36 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 03:31:41 pm
You will need to let us know your thoughts as you test drive different bikes noggy. Your in the same boat as me and sound like your looking for the same sort of bike, something grunty instead of revvy. Only difference is I'm a short fat foccer :lolI will do Mick...i'll do my own makeshift reviews
i'm so far away from any main dealers but i'll need to arrange some proper test rides on some twisties.....none of this a couple times round an industrial estate rubbish....i'm off to Newport on 12th April & they have a couple of yamaha dealers so i'll be defo visiting them....i'll try the FZ1 & the FZ8.....i can't be doing with the MT09....i dont like the reviews about the different modes, far too complicated plus it just looked a bit small & mickey mouse when i seen one in the metal.
Foc knows where my nearest Honda dealer is...time for a google...hopefully in the sticks so i can have a nice rideout to get there.
Post by: chaz on 23 March 2014, 03:32:10 pm
http://youtu.be/1_QbYOcoALM (http://youtu.be/1_QbYOcoALM)
Post by: stevierst on 23 March 2014, 03:52:10 pm
I told the salesman it was like riding a high powered operating theatre. You could ride it like a pro, but it was too prescribed and lacked character.
The speed triple is the nearest contender as it has the best mid range, the fz1n a close second.
But please have a go on the mt-09 and see for yourself. The mode button is more than just a gimmick, it really does make a difference. I was in 'b' mode round town, and 'a/standard' out of town.
Massive low and mid range punch, comfort even for my 36" inside leg, and more fun than you sometimes deserve. Ridden a standard one, and one with a few bolt ons (full akroprovic/screen/remap). The modded one was a world apart, and would easily keep up with more expensive bikes.
Post by: Chris on 23 March 2014, 04:09:28 pm
Chris
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 04:50:19 pm
You are describing a MT-01? I love mine, use it for a steady ride out, it handles fine for a big lump, engin is nowhere as smooth as the fz6 or as fast but the 150n of torque means that you don't have to rev it much over 3k.
[url]http://youtu.be/1_QbYOcoALM[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/1_QbYOcoALM[/url])
Holy Foccin shit :eek ........they are amazing!!!!.....this is getting the prize for the most oddball suggestion but waw i was smiling watching that video........that would be close to flying a spitfire........perhaps just over my budget...god if i dont get one this time i must have one before i die.....& you are right....it is everything i have described...& i'd love having something different & i wouldnt end up doing silly speeds....it's like the fun of a chopper & sport bike combined into 1.....gotta say i'm blown away by that Chaz..thanks....how cheap have you seen decent ones go for out of interest???...god i'd love to see folks faces getting passed by that beast.
Also the MT09....i'm not overly enthralled by it....but i can give it a chance, they are pushing the test rides so why not...but again out of my budget...im trying to steer clear of finance....maybe at a push if 0% & if maybe only financing half of the bike....i'll see what cash flow is looking like......still smiling about that MT01 :) :) :)
& the CB1000R...another review about how clinical it is......on paper it looks awesome...ive been compiling torque figures just as a quick comparison for grunt & it's stats sit nicely in the grunty paradise...i know torque isnt so straightforward to analyse into riding though...but i'll post up some stats for a rough comparison.
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 05:03:18 pm
foc i'm scared...............i think i need an MT01 :eek
here's a part of a review with points that i want highlighted:-
The Road Star's engine has now, very imaginatively, turned up in the MT-01 streetbike. The MT-01 is more our style, here in the UK. It's Yamaha's answer to the Street Rod, or Buell or Monster or Tuono, and whichever way you look at it and whatever you compare it to, it is one mighty motorcycle in its own right.
The V-twin is a long-stroke air-cooled, eight-valve, 1670cc monster. An engine of that physical size and height needs some serious engineering to contain it, especially when you have some sporting expectations. The frame is a die-cast aluminium perimeter design which mounts top-front, between the V and at the gearbox. It goes over the top of the motor making an extremely tall bike, which is a major characteristic of the MT-01, impacting on ergonomics and handling. The bike's sheer bulk could be daunting to a novice or someone of slight build. Its seat height is high, the bars are high and it's heavy.It's no surprise to say it feels tall, but it's only borderline top-heavy. At 5ft 11in I don't have a problem with it and I'd prefer this to say, a Ducati Monster, which to me feels too low.
Read more: http://www.visordown.com/road-tests/living-with-a-2005-yamaha-mt-01/15658.html#ixzz2wo2MSL2I (http://www.visordown.com/road-tests/living-with-a-2005-yamaha-mt-01/15658.html#ixzz2wo2MSL2I)
Post by: Chris on 23 March 2014, 05:04:03 pm
Chris
Post by: mickvp on 23 March 2014, 05:07:02 pm
Yamaha MT01 STAGE 2 akrapovic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWpvKEe8oCE#)
Post by: Chris on 23 March 2014, 05:11:03 pm
Post by: risticuss on 23 March 2014, 05:15:00 pm
Took one out for a test ride a couple of weeks ago... very similar to the riding position of my old 99 CBR600, but with the engine being a twin, was quite narrow between the knees.
Power delivery with the belt is a bit more instant than the chain, but once you get used to it, not a major issue. The speed and midrange are nuts. I remember looking down at the speedo and wondering how I got to 90 without realising it. That fairing, even with the tiny screen is so much better than the Fazer 600. The midrange is fantastic, pulls from as little as 30 in top with no trouble. Not ridden anything bigger than my Fazer 600 or CBR600 so not sure how a thou would compare.
The handling is good, a forward bias, but again, once you get used to leaning forward your muscles will stop hurting and you'll take more weight through your legs as opposed to your wrists. It's got a steering damper as standard which takes a lot of the vibrations compared to a Fazer (so much so that I considered trying to find a cheap one for my bike) and the clip-ons aren't particularly close so you can still heave it around but countersteering and moving around on it make the manoeuvring at speed easier (similar to any sportier bike). That said, the seat isn't as rounded as a CBR so it feels a bit awkward trying to hang off properly.
If you were seriously considering it, I'd get an aftermarket can, as the stock one is rubbish. It's so quiet it makes you want to ride in a lower gear to raise the revs to hear what the engine's doing. It's a bit like the difference between a petrol and diesel car in that you don't really need to rev the nuts off it to get it going, it's good with fast A and B roads. Again, that said, get it up to about 6/7000 revs and it's really fun, very responsive and feels like a 600 sports bike.
You can get them with a host of BMW extras, but as it's a discontinued model you'll only really find bikes already fitted with them so shopping around is a must (didn't ask if they could be retro fitted). A centrestand isn't really a must as it's belt driven and doesn't need adjustment. The heated grips are excellent.... just excellent.
Putting the fuel into the tail doesn't feel as weird as I thought it would (was a very thorough test) though it does help to park on the correct side of the pump.
BAD POINTS
The speedo is tiny, I mean, REALLY tiny (google it) and the needle is maybe 3-4mm from the numbers, whereas the screen is massive and makes you focus on the gear indicator too much (read that online, and is actually true).
The front fairing plastic and plastic 'tank' (read airbox cover) are a bit cheap looking, especially for a not very cheap bike. The one I tested was in satin metallic silver and would have looked better in gloss. Just a personal opinion really.
By far the most annoying thing is the 3 button indicator set up. Left indicator on left bar, right on right bar, and separate cancel switch above the right indicator switch. Most people get used to it, so I've been told, but I ride with the heel of my hand pretty much on the bar end weight, did on the CBR and even though the fazer bars are wider, I still do on the that. The problem was that I had to move my hand in every time I wanted to indicate and while not a problem on the left, the right (especially going round a roundabout in town) meant that the throttle was surging all over the place.
This might be something you get used to and change your riding style for, but it put a real damper on an otherwise great hours test ride as it happened in the last 5 minutes being on the bike. The F800R has a standard 3way switch like most other bikes, so I'm waiting for the dealer to get one in so that I can give it a go.
And I returned 46MPG on a 40 mile jaunt, which is the lowest anyone who's taken it for a test ride got.
Hopefully that's everything, if I think of any more I can update you on it, but hope it helps.
Oh, and it looks much better with the fairing lowers on (£400-500 extra)
https://www.pyramid-plastics.co.uk/accessory_images/Copy%20of%20resized_ASC3886_BMW_F800.jpg (https://www.pyramid-plastics.co.uk/accessory_images/Copy%20of%20resized_ASC3886_BMW_F800.jpg)
Simon
Post by: stevierst on 23 March 2014, 05:15:00 pm
It sounds like a WWII spitfire. Gorgeous!
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 08:20:29 pm
Just did a quick scan through everything and thought I'd give my opinion of the BMW F800S,
Took one out for a test ride a couple of weeks ago... very similar to the riding position of my old 99 CBR600, but with the engine being a twin, was quite narrow between the knees.
Power delivery with the belt is a bit more instant than the chain, but once you get used to it, not a major issue. The speed and midrange are nuts. I remember looking down at the speedo and wondering how I got to 90 without realising it. That fairing, even with the tiny screen is so much better than the Fazer 600. The midrange is fantastic, pulls from as little as 30 in top with no trouble. Not ridden anything bigger than my Fazer 600 or CBR600 so not sure how a thou would compare.
The handling is good, a forward bias, but again, once you get used to leaning forward your muscles will stop hurting and you'll take more weight through your legs as opposed to your wrists. It's got a steering damper as standard which takes a lot of the vibrations compared to a Fazer (so much so that I considered trying to find a cheap one for my bike) and the clip-ons aren't particularly close so you can still heave it around but countersteering and moving around on it make the manoeuvring at speed easier (similar to any sportier bike). That said, the seat isn't as rounded as a CBR so it feels a bit awkward trying to hang off properly.
If you were seriously considering it, I'd get an aftermarket can, as the stock one is rubbish. It's so quiet it makes you want to ride in a lower gear to raise the revs to hear what the engine's doing. It's a bit like the difference between a petrol and diesel car in that you don't really need to rev the nuts off it to get it going, it's good with fast A and B roads. Again, that said, get it up to about 6/7000 revs and it's really fun, very responsive and feels like a 600 sports bike.
You can get them with a host of BMW extras, but as it's a discontinued model you'll only really find bikes already fitted with them so shopping around is a must (didn't ask if they could be retro fitted). A centrestand isn't really a must as it's belt driven and doesn't need adjustment. The heated grips are excellent.... just excellent.
Putting the fuel into the tail doesn't feel as weird as I thought it would (was a very thorough test) though it does help to park on the correct side of the pump.
BAD POINTS
The speedo is tiny, I mean, REALLY tiny (google it) and the needle is maybe 3-4mm from the numbers, whereas the screen is massive and makes you focus on the gear indicator too much (read that online, and is actually true).
The front fairing plastic and plastic 'tank' (read airbox cover) are a bit cheap looking, especially for a not very cheap bike. The one I tested was in satin metallic silver and would have looked better in gloss. Just a personal opinion really.
By far the most annoying thing is the 3 button indicator set up. Left indicator on left bar, right on right bar, and separate cancel switch above the right indicator switch. Most people get used to it, so I've been told, but I ride with the heel of my hand pretty much on the bar end weight, did on the CBR and even though the fazer bars are wider, I still do on the that. The problem was that I had to move my hand in every time I wanted to indicate and while not a problem on the left, the right (especially going round a roundabout in town) meant that the throttle was surging all over the place.
This might be something you get used to and change your riding style for, but it put a real damper on an otherwise great hours test ride as it happened in the last 5 minutes being on the bike. The F800R has a standard 3way switch like most other bikes, so I'm waiting for the dealer to get one in so that I can give it a go.
And I returned 46MPG on a 40 mile jaunt, which is the lowest anyone who's taken it for a test ride got.
Hopefully that's everything, if I think of any more I can update you on it, but hope it helps.
Oh, and it looks much better with the fairing lowers on (£400-500 extra)
https://www.pyramid-plastics.co.uk/accessory_images/Copy%20of%20resized_ASC3886_BMW_F800.jpg (https://www.pyramid-plastics.co.uk/accessory_images/Copy%20of%20resized_ASC3886_BMW_F800.jpg)
Simon
That's great Simon & also good that you ride an fZS600 at present like me.....good to hear the little but important things like the indicators & filler....sounds like it is possibly a little bit cramped though, the F800R looks a tiny bike too but i really like the look of the R, just looks a quality bike....popular in mainland Europe apparently but not so much over here due to over emphasis on the bigger expensive qdventure bikes.....also for a twin it seems that the F800 revs quite high...i don't doubt its feeling of mid range but i was surprised to see that it's torque figure is quite low.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 March 2014, 08:27:17 pm
I wouldn't worry too much about having more power than you can use either. Most of us have that "problem", but manage to hang on to our licenses somehow. Some of your choices surprise me, given how you like them Welsh twisties (scratches head).
Post by: Yamazer-92 on 23 March 2014, 08:48:15 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 08:53:13 pm
Several people have said the CB1000R lacks character. Some have said it's downright bland and boring - not just here either. Certainly wouldn't be my choice. Fun bikes tend to have a bit of a kick somewhere in the rev range IMO. Linear power all the way through won't give you that, no matter how much mid range it's developing.
I wouldn't worry too much about having more power than you can use either. Most of us have that "problem", but manage to hang on to our licenses somehow. Some of your choices surprise me, given how you like them Welsh twisties (scratches head).
Yes i sure am confused Nick.....so i discount the gen 1 coz i want something more nimble......but then i see the MT01 & want one.....which says to me that character is important.....which reaffirms that perhaps the CB wont be the one no matter how much i want it to be........considering i am a fazerist then i would really love to love the FZ1...that is my hope anyway....they are a cheap buy, nimble & full of performance....i think if the right one comes along with some decent upgrades & nice paint then i'll see sense....i really do like the looks of Devilsyams gen 2...that's the sort of thing i'm looking at...it would need to be already modded..those gen 2 mods are big bucks to have to do them myself i reckon.
& another thing after some statistic reviewing...yes the likes of the gen 2 are top end heavy......but they still have good torque....much more than my 600....the 600 has 61ft lb of torque.....FZ1 has 78....& that FZ1 figure is on a par with the tuono, also 78.....plus the mighty gen 1 which is also 78......all good bikes with grunt......FZ8 surprises with 60....so just under my bike so i dont think that will be much of a change apart from the handling....ok so flat figures like that dont always equate so simply on the road but basically the high speed thous do hand in hand have grunt....which is what i want
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 08:56:37 pm
Haha funny that you're looking at the MT-01, that is definitely one of my bucketlist bikes. Absolute truck of a machine. Out of all that has been said though, I personally would have the KTM 990SM all day. That has been one of if not my all time dream bike for as long as it came out and I was interested in bikes. I have seen and sat on one in the flesh, absolutely amazing. Stonking V twin, bags of charachter and torque up to 100mph. Looks badass in my opinion. MT-01 is much much heavier, as such will not be as fun to handle. Down in the southwest where I am, the roads are garbage so the SM suspension would make great sense where the MT-01 would struggle. KTM may have had reliability issues way back but nowadays nothing to worry about. With some light mods you can wheelie them all day long, dont see why it wouldn't tour either there is a tourer version but it looks a bit naff. Either of those choices are class though. I also like the XJR1300, ZRX 1200 and GSX 1400 too but would rather have the KTM. It definitely matches all of your criteria.
Wondered when you'd pop up yamazer
We are clearly as confused as each other :b
Great minds think alike....even if we arent using joined up thinking ;)
Post by: ogri48 on 23 March 2014, 11:29:47 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 23 March 2014, 11:50:09 pm
I honestly think that a lot of the super nekkids are just too fast now ( for a naked bike) there's a balance. Have you tried a street triple 675 mate? You will be amazed at that engine. The figures just don't tell a good e nough story, you gotta ride it, it's just one of the best bike engines ever . And I'm still thinking an fz1 would tick all the boxes for you, shame you ain't closer you could try mine
Cheers ogri....... I would like to stay in the fazer fold...but trying not to let that cloud my judgement.....but i hope the bike fits nicely....they seem to rev similar to my 600 but handle very nicely.....it will be nice to sample some quality suspension.
I want to try the street triple...speed triple is out of budget...street triple i could afford......they sound amazing....steevie reckons it could be a little squashed.....& he has a fz1......which leads me to believe that the fz1 wont be squashed.........but i wanna try one of those triples just for the crack...been watching some loony ozzy on one who drag races it....the induction noise sounds very addictive..............question for you........would you swap your fz1 right now for a street triple...if not then why please?
Post by: fazersharp on 24 March 2014, 08:35:45 am
Post by: Lez72 on 24 March 2014, 08:47:30 am
Post by: mr self destruct on 24 March 2014, 12:43:10 pm
Shame really, as my 600 was never gonna be a keeper, I was always looking to buy something brand new in a year or two, and I had it down to either a Triple or an MT-09. The MT-09 is definitely the second best but I know I fit that a lot better. :\
Post by: fazersharp on 24 March 2014, 01:20:23 pm
Post by: mr self destruct on 24 March 2014, 01:24:32 pm
Mr self destruct are you saying the street isa more cramped seating/ foot rest position than our 600s
That's what it felt like to me yeah. It could have been all in my head due to the lack of a fairing making me lean into the wind more, but I got the impression I was leaning more forwards, with my elbows out, and my feet tucked up behind me. Has anyone else found this?
EDIT: I do have pretty long legs though.
Post by: ogri48 on 24 March 2014, 01:58:30 pm
Post by: mr self destruct on 24 March 2014, 02:11:48 pm
No, I wouldn't swap my. Fz1 mate, street triples good but not roomy enough for me. In fact there's not a bike I can think of I'd swap my fz1 for, what does that tell you ;)
Tells me I should look at the finance deals on an FZ1 instead. :D
Post by: ogri48 on 24 March 2014, 02:42:07 pm
No Exupnut woes either, once the cans gone the valve ( which looks to me more like noise regs aid than a proper Exupnut anyway) is gone too. Not the best looking bike in the world. Not the most fashionable or desirable. But by Christ it does what it says on the tin..
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 08:53:55 pm
Nice pic Ogri.....i cant deny...that's a nice looking bike 8)
I've been having some fun today......using one of those bike ergonomics sites....pretty funny.......theres so many tools out there & i know nothing can beat a real test ride.
But anyway you type in your height & inside leg & then choose a bike & it shows you on it...you can pick different riding or stationary positions (no sexual positions though :b )......you can even then add mods such as raising the seat height or changing the pegs.
So i went through a whole load of bikes i like & i chose the middle of the seat option & 90 degrees bend in the arms.
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Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:03:27 pm
Ok, lets start with yamaha.
Her comments.........absolutely ridiculous.....may as well be peddling yourself......rod up your back......surely not good with corners as not as one with the bike.
My comments...Yamaha's offering on the supermoto front.......couldn't see myself doing 300 miles on one of these.
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:08:51 pm
Not a scathing short review......but not exactly exciting...seating position looks quite good....but not much more different to my 600 & id ideally like more leg room.
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:13:20 pm
Hey it really is me!...the tool didnt have an add more belly option.
& what does she devil think she is talking about...purely bollocks! :lol
I would say that the bike feels a little small for me.
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:18:44 pm
She's not far off the mark here really is she....it does look comfy......but it wont do welsh tight twisties how i want to take them.
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:21:51 pm
Sorry MT09 lovers :b
Ha ha...such scourn...does she not realise the hype at present...mo she doesnt.
I did think it looked small...yes it is tall...but generally tiny.
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:25:43 pm
I do like the TRX...real world power...good handling...twin sounds....unique...exotic
But they are just a bit old :(
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:31:22 pm
Well....theres guys taller than me on here that say it is nice....i cant dispute it....but it does look slightly petite...just the styling i think.
Im having it as a contender.
Post by: noggythenog on 24 March 2014, 09:35:56 pm
& the mighty one......hang on......only 2 words on the comments.....wtf!!!!
She's not getting me any friends is she :lol
I think it looks good.
Post by: alan sherman on 25 March 2014, 11:39:52 am
http://www.ducatiuk.com/bikes/streetfighter/848/index.do (http://www.ducatiuk.com/bikes/streetfighter/848/index.do)
Looks high, looks mental. May dissolve in the rain (may not). Looks mental, looks expensive.
Post by: Dead Eye on 25 March 2014, 01:57:43 pm
Edit: Ok, I'm going insane and apparently I'm getting confused between the 848 and 899
Post by: mickvp on 25 March 2014, 07:59:01 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 25 March 2014, 08:25:33 pm
.............think i might have a bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 25 March 2014, 08:27:19 pm
Post by: mickvp on 25 March 2014, 08:39:45 pm
Uh-oh, have you gone and done it already? Is it red perchance? (now holds breath.........).
a glorious, tastefully modified red FZ1 perchance???
Post by: Dead Eye on 25 March 2014, 10:29:19 pm
.............think i might have a bike
Oooohh tense times!! You must let us know immediately! :P
Post by: noggythenog on 25 March 2014, 10:35:09 pm
.............think i might have a bike
Oooohh tense times!! You must let us know immediately! :P
not confirmed yet...still hanging in the balance
Post by: Chris on 25 March 2014, 10:41:06 pm
Uh-oh, have you gone and done it already? Is it red perchance? (now holds breath.........).
a glorious, tastefully modified red FZ1 perchance???
It certainly looks the tits doesn't it! Would suit our old noggster to a T
Chris
Post by: noggythenog on 25 March 2014, 11:15:11 pm
Not meant to be im afraid :(
the cash gods are not favourable
they bloody well better be next year though
Oh well...poor old noggfighter gets to see some more welsh roads after all.
Post by: noggythenog on 26 March 2014, 06:42:50 pm
Hopefully off to a yam dealer on Saturday...a good 3 hour spin on the twisty welsh roads to get there first.
purchasing new tyres and while i wait have requested test rides on the FZ8, FZ1 & MT09 8)
Post by: ogri48 on 26 March 2014, 08:03:15 pm
Post by: stevierst on 26 March 2014, 08:33:14 pm
And may the best bike for you win!
Post by: noggythenog on 28 March 2014, 10:02:34 pm
Did it foc! :(
But i did have about 2 hours of pissing about on the bikes in the showroom & have some initial conclusions....
Conclusion 1....the old FZS600 is a hard bike to beat.
Conclusion 2....My noggyfighter is even harder to beat.
Conclusion 3....as nice as im sure the FZ1 is....my legs are more cramped.
Conclusion 4....i prefer faired/half faired bikes when off the bike....but the nakeds when on them...it's a perception thing....i feel like i'm more a part of the bike with the nakeds...as if i have more weight over the front...with the fairings i feel further back on the bike so my brain tells me the pivot, so to speak is different.....in reality the fairings provide more weight on the front...but i cant help my perception...& it gives me confidence without one....& i've braved enough elements now to realise that if i need a fairing to be comfortable that i probably shouldn't be out in the first place.
Conclusion 5....as nice as the FZ8 is....my legs are more cramped.
Conclusion 6....FZ8 does feel heavy....so does the FZ1....but the FZ8 doesn't justify its weight with enough more grunt or BHP or Kudos as the FZ1.
Conclusion 7....MT09 is the Mazda MX5 of the bike world.
Conclusion 8....TDM900 has the perfect seating position..very comfy..but i still aint having one.
Conclusion 9....Brand new R1 is surprsingly more comfortable on the legs & arms (didn't say wrists) than the FZ8 & FZ1......i am surprised...ankle is bent backwards but in an easily kept position as opposed to being bent forwards awkwardly hovering above the lever with the fazers......shame i cant afford one & wouldn't want to be so low down.
Conclusion 10....they should create an upright bike with the pegs like the R1.
Conclusion 11....the tanks on the FZ8 & FZ1 are nicely shaped to support & splay the legs so that the weight can be transferred forwards...nice & wide...a splay is better than trying to tighten legs round a tank.
Conclusion 12....MT09 tank is not as nicely shaped as the FZ8 & FZ1......it is too physically small....the legs sit too low on the wrong part of the tank.....it isn't as easy to mould into the bike.
Conclusion 13....surprisingly MT09 is comfiest of the new stuff....legs are not cramped...probably equal to the noggyfighter (not better)......bars are similar width to my Renthals & the bike feels light....i could see myself having fun on this machine.
Conclusion 14....the MT09 Akropavich exhaust looks pretty shit....give it some old school treatment.
Conclusion 15....comfort & leg space is important to me...i shouldn't get carried away by power & handling at the expense of leg room because i could have all 3 if i find the right bike.
Conclusion 16....a sunny, dry day will provide more conclusions.
Post by: Yamazer-92 on 28 March 2014, 10:19:41 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 28 March 2014, 10:30:17 pm
Noggy did you get a chance to sit on an MT-01 or an XJR1300? XJR is really comfortable, nice fat seat, upright neutral position and the tank is a lot wider than the Fazers. I would jack mine up and get wider handlebars though :evil , not that I need one at the moment.
Ye i did...but i was getting sick of my own conclusions :lol ...xjr was real comfy...but leg room wasnt any better than the rest..plus being a big traditional beast it wont handle any better than a gen 1...prob worse....unfortunately no MT01's either.... I must see one...just for the crack...prob need to go to london for it though...heard they got more money than sense down that way so i should fit in nicely :b .
Oh & the XT660 had a comfy leg position...similar to the MT09..... & i was was on balls of my feet...quite liked it....a bit skinny & prob wont take skin off rice pudding but it was nice to sit on.
Post by: stevierst on 29 March 2014, 12:05:12 am
Or........ and he says OR.......
Renthals on an R1. Did it to mine, and the bike was incredible for my 6'1" frame with 36" inside leg, and uber length arms.
Strangely enough though, the fz1 is slightly comfier to me than my old R1, but I'm not sure why. ::)
Post by: noggythenog on 29 March 2014, 12:22:47 am
Renthals on an R1. Did it to mine
Dont tempt me stevie....your bike pic is still in the forefront of my mind...but you had custom 125 front end or somethin.
But ye....a nicely damaged R1 with some renthals would do me nicely i reckon...reliability, comfort...foccin fast...what's not to like?
I tried same year r6 but it wasnt as comfy.
Post by: hightower on 29 March 2014, 07:02:06 am
A mate had street triple. He looked so fluid in corners..... But it's a tiny bike. Defo not for a tall guy.
How about something like the new mt-07 or mt-09?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 March 2014, 07:11:35 am
KTM 990 Super Duke
MT07
Think outside the box!
The first 2 will have all the power you need. MT07 may lack in that regard, but from what people are saying, it should be fun nevertheless.
Supermotos might fit the bill: more leg room, fun to ride - just not great distance bikes, but then, you're not looking for that are you?
The first 2 I think you should be able to get for reasonable money if you stay away from new/nearly new. (Don't forget original Tuonos were V2, latest is V4).
Maybe not the right bikes for you, but might lead you to consider/read about something different to IL4 UJM.
Have heard a few people say Speed Triples are boring. Street Triple will probably be physically too small.
R1?!! So from being worried about your license, you're now considering a bike that will rip it to shreds, and throw the pieces to the wind! Hell, why not?! :b
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b550/nicknicklxs/ModdedR1_zpsfa503336.jpg~original) (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/nicknicklxs/media/ModdedR1_zpsfa503336.jpg.html)
Post by: slimwilly on 29 March 2014, 07:29:47 am
Post by: Lez72 on 29 March 2014, 09:10:29 am
For my next bike I have come to my conclusion number 1 that it needs to have some grunt and be comfortable. The way it looks is not going to be the priority. The ability to take me hundreds of miles in comfort is.
Besides, its not what you ride but the way that you ride it.
Post by: stevierst on 29 March 2014, 09:17:41 am
([url]http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b550/nicknicklxs/ModdedR1_zpsfa503336.jpg~original[/url]) ([url]http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/nicknicklxs/media/ModdedR1_zpsfa503336.jpg.html[/url])
Nick, where did you find this photo?
This is the bike that inspired me to build my R1 years ago just as the gen2 came out, and I lost all details of it when I changed my PC.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 March 2014, 09:24:52 am
Post by: noggythenog on 29 March 2014, 09:28:00 am
Nick's probably right...maybe R1 a bit too much speed than i need...easy to get carried away...i only sat on it because i had tried everything else....i really didn't expect it to be that comfy.
MT07 is kind of what im after...except maybe a little more trick....hence the MT09 is firmly in contention now asa bike i could ride without modding straight away....the little MT07 could well be the next fazer 600 though....using similar technology as the TRX which i like...with grunt & fun within sensible limits for the road....it is more budget than the MT09 & i have my reservations that it would have suspension suited to my weight....MT09 didn't budge too much when i sat on it, felt substantially set up.
Im off to JT's motorbikes in swansea now to see what they can offer.
Then on the 13th i visit the devil............Honda! :evil :evil :evil
Post by: Dave48 on 29 March 2014, 09:40:18 am
Post by: Dave48 on 29 March 2014, 09:47:22 am
Post by: fazersharp on 29 March 2014, 09:50:35 am
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Supermotos might fit the bill: more leg room
Never sat on one but to me ive always thought that they look sort of cramped, is that why supermoto riders always stick their leg out when going around a corner
Post by: ChristoT on 29 March 2014, 11:55:47 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 March 2014, 11:58:34 am
PS "Rhondda Red" came from JTs Bridgend! & reached me via 2nd owner in Bristol & 3rd owner in Ferndale,Rhondda so Welsh as they come ! and Red which is even better! :lol
Don't kid yourself! ;) :lol
Yeah Noggy, whatever you get, make sure it's the right colour, or it'll all have been for nothing! :rolleyes
Post by: noggythenog on 29 March 2014, 02:17:44 pm
Hey Dave, i think you're mixed up with thunder road (what a cool name)..they have 1 showroom in Newport which is Honda which ill go to on 13th plus another one in Bridgend.
J.T's though was impressive...compared to where i went yesterday the blokes were less geezerish & instead of fobbing me off in comparison the owner of J.T's was very happy to help & show me around & it was a much more relaxed atmosphere......J.T's are a yamaha & suzuki main dealer but they have a wide mix of everything else....he wasnt a bullshitter & was even telling me he doesn't particularly find the MT09 that comfy but then he was an older geezer & has the pick of any bike.
Didnt have an MT09....but had the MT07.....it does look tiny.
THe KTM & aprillia crew were there....aprilia shiver, KTM 950SM, KTM superduke, Aprillia Dorsodura......right then did i sit on them...no.....why....because you could tell the difference a few years had made to these machines...not high mileage but paint starting to flake & metal finish looking worn & tarnished.......which brings me to....
Aprillia Tuono....wow what nice looking bikes these are...hard to inspect the finish closely with the plastic.....had a seat...very very comfy & the bars sit perfect...legs weren't too squashed either....but peering through the plastic revealed a bit of grime & tarnish....even the noggyfighter looks cleaner after a good scrub so maybe that's just the way of things with these bikes.....i would consider a minted one......i can see how cool Stevies R1 would have been with fat wide bars.......it has got me thinking about how cool one of those Honda VTR1000 firestorms would be with wide bars....& i wonder who could do a conversion for me...worth a thought while I'm in dream land.
Also got to see the BMW F800.....very nice....bars slightly sporty...i liked it...but prob not enough of an upgrade from noggyfighter...more of a level peg.
So 1 step closer....
MT09 finances or pcp permitting.
Aprillia Tuono if i come across one immaculate enough.
Post by: stevierst on 29 March 2014, 05:09:28 pm
And as for the flat bar sportsbike conversion, there are a few companies that do it. I keep thinking of getting a newer R1, and building another one, but my FZ1 is basically an R1 with flat bars anyway. I just need the Ecu flashing, and it'll be there. The bugger is easily fast enough, comfy enough, and handles well enough to keep up with one on the road ;D
Post by: noggythenog on 29 March 2014, 09:30:51 pm
Stevie..i think you want me to get an MT09......you know what.......I think i'm gonna end up having one...the reasons are:-
By start of season next year i'm gonna really be looking at the 4k mark for a bike.......so old'ish bikes.....from what I've seen so far even low miles old bikes can and often do look a bit tatty.
Looking at my original requirements the MT09 suits them all.....it has the leg room...is grunty...not too much top end...doesn't have a fairing.....handles well.
But the price......circa 7.5K via finance....allot of money but cheap in comparison to most others.
Ok I've still to visit Honda & the one bike I do wanna see & ride from there is the CB1000r....ok it might be an awesome bike....best thing since sliced bread perhaps....but i'd only be affording an old one for circa 5k...still a used bike....because comparison bike v bike the brand new CB1000R is.......10 foccin K!!! :eek
so even if I did max out on finance and get a CB1000R.....what exactly am I getting for 3K more.....ok perhaps snobs will say greater reliability...but not 3k worth, if any, as both bikes are unproven long term.....so what else....ok maybe a better pillion seat.
so put like that the MT09 is cracking value.
Now if i'm sensible with the finance & pump my 4k into the deposit instead of spending it on shite instead...then my monthly payments are potentially........£92.00 a month 8) .....so £92.00 for 36 months to own one of the latest bikes...hassle free A road blasting for 3 years.....no more foccing about all the time.....Christ the money I've spent on noggfighter probably averages out at about the same amount...I dread to think about it.
The MT should be a hoot....600 riders will aim for it as the 'I just smoked one of those new MT things' type bike & I welcome that.Bigger capacity bikes will be within range too...so fun with everyone it is please....around Wales it would be perfect I reckon.
So the Honda CB best have something special up its sleeve coz i'm looking likely to be cruising into MT territory on a Welsh road pretty soon....all I need is a decent test ride to confirm my thoughts & to choose the right dealer because I am guessing that they 'should' be able to lower the APR rate to a low risk person ie me coz im paying a vast deposit (any advice on this???)......JT's in Swansea today was really good..i appreciated the owner taking his time to show me round so i'd like to give him the business....but I need to be armed with what is possible before I start asking him to bump down the APR for me.
Another thing...if I wait til next season delivery then perhaps these reported concerns with the MT09 jerkiness on the throttle will be ironed out a bit.
Post by: stevierst on 29 March 2014, 09:49:04 pm
It definately does look like the mt-09 fits your needs, although the naked fz1 does the same in handling/braking/comfort, looks very similar, but is a bit revvier.
You've got to get out there and have a good long ride on 'em.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 March 2014, 09:59:41 pm
I gotta blame someone though....that's why I made this thread :evil
yep like you say...test rides are essential...one will blow my socks off....just a matter of which one.
but similar story to the CB1000R....like for like a brand new FZ1 naked is still 9K.
So those MT09's sure are good value
Post by: stevierst on 29 March 2014, 11:09:06 pm
I gotta blame someone though....that's why I made this thread :evil
Yeah, fook it, it's all our fault! ::)::):P
Post by: mr self destruct on 30 March 2014, 06:48:13 am
Post by: slimwilly on 30 March 2014, 08:31:49 am
Now i did have a Yamaha Virago many moons ago and for them there was the bolt on wind screens,powerbronze ect, they worked ok.
But as you know the MT09 would be a superb Sunday blatt out bike,, quite like em myself,,then you could miss the rain by staying at home. :)
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 12:01:35 pm
Quite like the thought of not riding in the rain. :)
Always liked faired bikes...the look of them etc..........but cant deny that i feel more in control without one....plus if i ever lose control the damage is usually less. :rolleyes
Z800 i'd like to try...apparently real smoothe but back to inline 4....but possibly more soul than the CB1000R.but so thin on the ground for bike shops down here....i'll be up in scotland come June & within firing distance of lots if different dealers in the central belt so i'll prob do my test rides then...i'll take my old man so he can give his opinion on things i might miss.
Something I'm not a 100% sure about is the couple reviews about the MT09 rear shock not being the best......so i start off a thread basically because i want better handling & do t want to waste money.....is it then a bit silly to buy a bike that could do with an upgraded shock.....but then i have got by on a 13 year old budget fazer shock so i suspect that the shock that isnt 100% to bike testers could in fact be brilliant to me.
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 01:06:36 pm
Have you considered a Kawasaki Z800? Similar power to the MT-09, £500 more though. Been following this thread with interest as I'm in exactly the same boat as you, fancying something brand new.
Also i see that Kawasaki have some really good finance rates....much lower finance rates advertised.
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 01:43:08 pm
Yum yum! 8)
Post by: mickvp on 30 March 2014, 06:14:27 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-yzf-r1-custom-build-streetfighter-95-complete-project-/111298043086?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item19e9e15cce (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/yamaha-yzf-r1-custom-build-streetfighter-95-complete-project-/111298043086?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item19e9e15cce)
Post by: stevierst on 30 March 2014, 06:29:18 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 07:28:48 pm
Interesting ive now read about those Z800's & i like the sounds of them too now......that's what this thread is about coz i would never have considered one otherwise....a heavy beast at almost 250kg but all the reviews seem to point to it being very smooth & controllable with plenty power......but i wonder what it is like to sit on & whether the power delivery excites as much as the MT09.
I keep looking on you tube to find videos.....like Mt09 vs Z800....god there's allot of shit on there......loads of very strange foreign videos....on one i watched the bike comes round a corner & there's some knob on a set of roller blades with nordic walking poles powering up the winding alpine type road.....how you meant to focus on the bike with shit like that :lol
Another video.....MT09 vs CBR 600RR.....foccin ell i felt sick...guy on the cbr is so jolty & all over the place with splurges of power on the corners & crap braking, proper hanging off the bike like on twist of the wrist 2 but forgetting to actually try turning the bike...guy on MT09 following aint much better.
It's either that or some american droning on while he rides through a suburb, then goes on the motorway, pops a couple shit wheelies then goes home.
Anyone got any decent footage???, MT09, Z800,fazers, CB?
Post by: mr self destruct on 30 March 2014, 08:02:04 pm
Kawasaki Z800
Suzuki GSX1250FA
Suzuki GSR750
Yamaha Fazer8
Yamaha MT-09
From all the reviews I've seen/read I know I'll be happy with any one, so (and here's my point) I'll just go with the most comfortable for my size.
I reckon of those on your list, you'll be happy with any as long as it fits you. :)
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 08:20:42 pm
the MT was good.
I sat on the GSR....felt kinda fazerish actually...similar proportions & weight it seemed.
Z800......TBC.
FZ8.....a bit cramped .....possibly fine if jacked up....i jacked noggyfighter up for about 20 quid.
High on desireability chart are MT09 & Z800 now if i go brand new.
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 08:31:32 pm
Post by: mr self destruct on 30 March 2014, 08:48:01 pm
I think I'm :sex sold
It suits you. ;)
Post by: noggythenog on 30 March 2014, 08:50:27 pm
I think I'm :sex sold
It suits you. ;)
If i looked like that there would be no end to the things i'd do to myself :b ...i'd never be bored again.
Post by: ogri48 on 30 March 2014, 09:53:29 pm
Post by: Rikki on 30 March 2014, 11:37:25 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 31 March 2014, 12:22:20 am
Post by: mickvp on 31 March 2014, 01:55:58 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 31 March 2014, 06:43:58 am
In your position Noggy, I think I'd wind up with as late a model Tuono as I could afford - serious hooning fun! (Lots of people go for black, but I like the prettier ones; bright oranges and white with lots of gold bits).
But I'm not you, and you must look for what does it for you.
CB1000R - if this was on my list, I think I'd also consider the later Blades; probably better bikes, full-on sports but not the most extreme of the bunch.
Remember that you can do distance on any bike, it's not just riding position that affects this, as I'm finding out. This new lid of mine has made everything so much easier/more pleasant, just by reducing the amount of buffeting I'm now getting, so seriously less fatigue. On the down side, it means the throttle tends to get more abuse! :b
Post by: stevierst on 31 March 2014, 08:52:29 am
Will probably get shot down for this, but there are some brand new SV650's around for less than the price of some 125's. Dated stock that dealers want rid of etc. Don't think I'd fancy the drop in power though, may find it a bit frustrating. Have read lots of positive reviews about them though. Nearly bought one instead of the Fazer.Ewww! SV650's are a bit boring after a Fazer. Had one for short while and swapped it for believe it or not, a Fazer!
Post by: ogri48 on 31 March 2014, 11:42:20 am
SV is definitely not a contender for the Fazer 600.the lids a very good point. back in '91 i bought a three year old zx10, and got some new gear all on the old never never. treated myself to my first ever decent lid, an eddie lawson rep shoei full face. the bike blew me away after my old air cooled fours, but the lid even more so. it made a huge difference to every journey, short or long. nowadays i dont tear about so much, so just wear my old dads piss pot when im bimbling about, but for teararsing around or touring i got a quality, well fitting lid. it does make a massive difference.
In your position Noggy, I think I'd wind up with as late a model Tuono as I could afford - serious hooning fun! (Lots of people go for black, but I like the prettier ones; bright oranges and white with lots of gold bits).
But I'm not you, and you must look for what does it for you.
CB1000R - if this was on my list, I think I'd also consider the later Blades; probably better bikes, full-on sports but not the most extreme of the bunch.
Remember that you can do distance on any bike, it's not just riding position that affects this, as I'm finding out. This new lid of mine has made everything so much easier/more pleasant, just by reducing the amount of buffeting I'm now getting, so seriously less fatigue. On the down side, it means the throttle tends to get more abuse! :b
back on the bikes for nog..i remember my first go on an mt-01. a group test for "bike" up into yorkshire. i loved it..engine lazily banging along at 90 mph with big old rev counter on the tank sitting at 12 oclock, the firing cycle of the bike sounding like a lancaster bomber as it reverbrated off the stone walls either side...in fact we all loved it(just as the same group all loved the ten year old gen one fazer in the group test against the new multi strada). its a big fellers bike too. and you get some lovely ones come up on e bay with the full akras etc...
Post by: Yamazer-92 on 31 March 2014, 06:00:53 pm
In this instance however, probably not what noggy is after as it is a bit of a sidestep rather than an upgrade. In my REALLY honest opinion, I would even go as far to say the Z800 is only just about an upgrade for the fazer. That extra weight would bother me, I guess the engine is probably alright though but a lot of money for what it is. If it were me, it would be an absolute balls to the wind completely different beast of a bike or just upgrade my Fazer suspension to make it as bawse as possible. Your Noggy fighter looks cool in my opinion, but then again I want a supermoto so what do I know.
Post by: noggythenog on 31 March 2014, 08:17:33 pm
Your advice has been great...ok so i go round in circles but closer to the time i can through it all again to re confirm certain points.
I've kinda started looking at thous & have now slowly settled on the middleweight 750, 800 to 900 bikes.
I've also started at second hand & now swayed towards new or very nearly new bikes.
MT01 still the oddball choice if i happened to see the right one i may be tempted...same with the tuono as i really like its overall appeal as a complete package & it is very desireable.
But i know i'll prob end up settling for a jap bike...the quality & after service is more of a guarantee.
I just wish they'd hurry up and clear up some of the niggles on the MT...i get the feeling a year 2 down the line id be looking at a shock upgrade based on the "rear shock soon runs out of ideas when pushed hard" type comments in the reviews, especially since my weight already gives a shock a challenge & i'd rather buy something straight off that is sorted with good handling & maybe a tidy Akra can thrown into the deal....i've no doubt that the triple yamaha engine is a peach...but i dunno..the whole package..not so sure...cant deny the fantastic value.
Reading the Z800 reviews its weight is rarely mentioned....everyone says it handles very well & is super smooth...it sounds like some of that weight has come from quality & i expect it provides an element of stability to a certain degree.....physical weight isnt an issue for me so long as it doesn't drastically affect handling....i dont really go for kwaks but i think they've got the looks spot on with this bike....& engine wise it doesnt have snatchyness & isn't top end speed heavy.
Im glad i've started looking so early...so much to choose from...such nice machines...we really are spoiled & i want a bike that doesnt make me regret selling the fazer...fireblades, firestorms, supermotos....very nice...but i think they'd make me regret it.....but modern day versions of the fazer....hope not.
Post by: slimwilly on 31 March 2014, 09:33:43 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 31 March 2014, 10:03:55 pm
you can get a one year old FZ1s for good money,,,makes sense really,,tuneable and so full on go= fun as i found out last night...go 1000cc manup will you,,,,a nearly new is also a way of saving.
Sorry slim, the fz1 just didn't feel all that natural for me...& I'm scared i'll need to spend another 2k on power mods......out of interest what's the jack up options???.....if a jack up & rear sets was a cheap enough mod then i'd consider it but that's hard to find when test riding at dealers.....i'd love to stay in the fold but jus trying not to let that cloud my purchase...gotta say that exup valves & "needed" electronic mods have kinda put me off it all.
But who knows..plenty time to make a final decision yet.
Post by: slimwilly on 01 April 2014, 07:08:39 am
Post by: noggythenog on 05 April 2014, 12:03:20 pm
Just reading mcn shootout including the MT07.....while it is a tiny bike & a bit budget basics i like this stat:-
ROLL ON 30-80MPH in 3rd gear.............4.85 seconds.
That's pretty impressive
So 10mph for every 1 second in 3rd gear all the way to 80mph
So i usually back down to about 80'ish to save the licence anyway.
It will still do over a tonne if it needs to
So that sort of power but with a better handling bike & bigger proportions is ideal.......which could be the MT09 but there are still some doubts about its handling as standard.
Post by: noggythenog on 06 April 2014, 02:32:32 pm
My old man has been on the case scouting out the Z800, his kwak dealer only 20 minutes away as opposed to mine which is over 2 hours away..what a nice looking bike, especially in this burnt orange type colour.
Seems like a proper bike, looks well built & the styling is real sweet.
Dealer welcomes me to have a test ride in June when when i go up on the fazer.
His mate is sat on the bike, similar build to me & a bit taller & i reckon the bike looks proportional, in the words of Mickvp, i wouldn't look like a Mutant :) ....although i look like a mutant normally anyway :lol .
It just looks like more bike than the MT.
Post by: mickvp on 06 April 2014, 03:01:10 pm
Looks a pretty good fit though, nice bike. Sort of like the new(ish) CB1000R as well.
Post by: noggythenog on 06 April 2014, 03:17:13 pm
at least your mate got to sit on a bike. I went to a dealer the other day and they told me they dont like people sitting on them, how the feck are you ever supposed to know if it fits you or not then :rolleyes .
Looks a pretty good fit though, nice bike. Sort of like the new(ish) CB1000R as well.
Ye i dunno how shops like that get any business.....bike dealers seem to be slightly better than car dealers regards the bullshit that flows out their mouths but generally they're still full of it.....i've already decided to not buy from 1 dealer because their attitude to you might not get a test ride if aren't looking to buy til next season.....hang on mate...if you still plan on working here next season then that shouldn't make any difference :pokefun .....if he was a fisherman would he dredge the seabed dry to have 1 good year & then suffer the rest of his career every year after...actually he probably would. :o
Happened to me when i was 21 & got my Honda civic....i went to my local peugeot dealer to test drive the 206 180....they basically treated me like a dreamer & said i couldn't have a test drive but i could sit in the passenger seat while a salesman drove me around...told them to foc right off......drove 50 miles to the Honda dealer who just threw me the keys to a type r & said fill my boots....i didn't buy that car either but i did go back to them for servicing later...& i stayed Honda...complete loyalty...i happened to be up in Scotland & another Honda dealer in Edinburgh had a good'n.......again excellent customer service......so regardless of how good a product is if you employ arseholes it still wont sell...i'll never even consider a peugeot....ever....that's a lifetime of lost sales.
& i hope that dealer who doesn't let folk sit on them also goes tits up......you must look a bit dodgy like me Mick :lol ....never judge a book by its cover though eh.
I agree it has the beefy look of the CB....little bit of copying has gone on me thinks...& i like the CB looks....hope it has the substance to match.
Post by: Lez72 on 07 April 2014, 04:53:01 pm
Retuned 2005 GSXR750 lump in a Streetfighter package. Not totally unlike the Z800 ???
Good 'nearly new' bargains to be had too.
Post by: Frosties on 08 April 2014, 09:43:26 am
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/bikereviews/searchresults/bike-reviews/mv2/mv-agusta-brutale-800-2013-current/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/bikereviews/searchresults/bike-reviews/mv2/mv-agusta-brutale-800-2013-current/)
Post by: noggythenog on 08 April 2014, 12:39:58 pm
GSR 750 ?
Retuned 2005 GSXR750 lump in a Streetfighter package. Not totally unlike the Z800 ???
Good 'nearly new' bargains to be had too.
Cheers Lez
I sat on one in swansea...the owner thought id love it...it was comfy...maybe a smidge small if being picky......but the quality didnt shine through...still a capable bike from what i hear though.
Post by: noggythenog on 08 April 2014, 12:40:37 pm
Ok, my 2p is the MV Agusta Brutale 800
[url]http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/bikereviews/searchresults/bike-reviews/mv2/mv-agusta-brutale-800-2013-current/[/url] ([url]http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/bikereviews/searchresults/bike-reviews/mv2/mv-agusta-brutale-800-2013-current/[/url])
Yum yum
That looks sweet doesnt it
Post by: Lez72 on 08 April 2014, 02:51:46 pm
GSR 750 ?
Retuned 2005 GSXR750 lump in a Streetfighter package. Not totally unlike the Z800 ???
Good 'nearly new' bargains to be had too.
Cheers Lez
I sat on one in swansea...the owner thought id love it...it was comfy...maybe a smidge small if being picky......but the quality didnt shine through...still a capable bike from what i hear though.
I hear what your saying. It seems the weedy looking swingarm seems to get a bit of stick but this is based on looks and not performance as I'm sure its up to the job. However, the prices seem reflective of the overall package. Besides, the quality doesn't really shine through on the FZS600 but we still love em.
That Brutale 800 does look sweet though 8)
Post by: noggythenog on 08 April 2014, 03:05:24 pm
I think ive got Z tunnel vision right now...i love its looks, the reviews, its size, jap reliability, cheap finance options.
Look forward to trying it out.
Yamaha have shot themselves in the foot for the likes of me anyway...aspiring new bike owners on a budget.....the finance generation.....the must have nows & foc pensions :lol .......8% apr on a MT is bad.....& its not for credit crunch reasons...they are clearly selling them to the folk with the readies already......they offer 0% on the fazers to try sell them but they reveal that 0% is possible...which kinda focs me off......but beggars cant be choosers & im a beggar :o .
Kwak are ticking all the right boxes.
Nearly new is a good point...i can get a nearly new still on 0% but a grand cheaper...some of them only have 100 miles on the clock.
Post by: Lez72 on 08 April 2014, 03:18:37 pm
I think ive got Z tunnel vision right now...i love its looks, the reviews, its size, jap reliability, cheap finance options.
Look forward to trying it out.
Yamaha have shot themselves in the foot for the likes of me anyway...aspiring new bike owners on a budget.....the finance generation.....the must have nows & foc pensions :lol .......8% apr on a MT is bad.....& its not for credit crunch reasons...they are clearly selling them to the folk with the readies already......they offer 0% on the fazers to try sell them but they reveal that 0% is possible...which kinda focs me off......but beggars cant be choosers & im a beggar :o .
Kwak are ticking all the right boxes.
Nearly new is a good point...i can get a nearly new still on 0% but a grand cheaper...some of them only have 100 miles on the clock.
DO it Do it Do it. Live the dream that us poor foccers can only think about :'(
Post by: mr self destruct on 08 April 2014, 03:31:52 pm
I think ive got Z tunnel vision right now...i love its looks, the reviews, its size, jap reliability, cheap finance options.
Look forward to trying it out.
Yamaha have shot themselves in the foot for the likes of me anyway...aspiring new bike owners on a budget.....the finance generation.....the must have nows & foc pensions :lol .......8% apr on a MT is bad.....& its not for credit crunch reasons...they are clearly selling them to the folk with the readies already......they offer 0% on the fazers to try sell them but they reveal that 0% is possible...which kinda focs me off......but beggars cant be choosers & im a beggar :o .
Kwak are ticking all the right boxes.
Nearly new is a good point...i can get a nearly new still on 0% but a grand cheaper...some of them only have 100 miles on the clock.
For me it's between the MT and the Z now, and like you the Z is winning. Biggest question now is..... Orange or green? :D
Post by: ChristoT on 08 April 2014, 03:49:44 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 08 April 2014, 06:03:27 pm
Noggy, I'd say subject to a test ride, if the Z is firing the imagination, go for it. Bikes are decisions of the heart, you have the car for transport. I've bought all my bikes (except for my first Fazer, funnily enough, and my RG500) without test rides, and the 400 Wetdream was the only one I seriously regretted. Maybe I got lucky, but you can always trade again later if it really doesn't tick your boxes after a while.
Post by: noggythenog on 08 April 2014, 06:36:41 pm
Poor Christo.......one day Christo eh you'll show us.......you just need to prove to the paarents that a car is a bad idea...coz with a car you bring back bikes in the boot....but you cant on a bike...so less bike bits.
Old man has just been on the phone, he has the new ride magazine....& he's going on about the MT07....very capable bla bla, fast enough bla bla.....can pass your test or have fun on it bla......& yes i agree...just like the FZS600 really....maybe a bit more torque.......but the whole point is that i wanted an upgrade from the fazer....something trick......ok so id enjoy being underdog on an MT07.....& if the seat is the same height as the MT09 then that's good.......but i want sweet suspension....not just good enough suspension.
But regardless......a brand new MT07....retro fitted with a top of the range Nitron shock would still only be circa £5500........that is cheap!!!! 8) ......still not as cool as the z though.
Post by: Frosties on 08 April 2014, 10:36:52 pm
....something trick......ok .....but i want sweet suspension....not just good enough suspension.
......still not as cool as the MV Agusta Brutale 800 though.
Fixed that for you Noggy :thumbup :lol
Post by: ChristoT on 08 April 2014, 10:56:50 pm
Poor Christo......
So true on so many levels! :lol :lol
Post by: Lez72 on 08 April 2014, 11:05:48 pm
Despite them being released around the same time and having similar styling I get the feeling the MT07 and the MT09 are very different animals.
Post by: JoeRock on 09 April 2014, 01:01:06 am
Poor Christo.......one day Christo eh you'll show us.......you just need to prove to the paarents that a car is a bad idea...coz with a car you bring back bikes in the boot....but you cant on a bike...so less bike bits.
Old man has just been on the phone, he has the new ride magazine....& he's going on about the MT07....very capable bla bla, fast enough bla bla.....can pass your test or have fun on it bla......& yes i agree...just like the FZS600 really....maybe a bit more torque.......but the whole point is that i wanted an upgrade from the fazer....something trick......ok so id enjoy being underdog on an MT07.....& if the seat is the same height as the MT09 then that's good.......but i want sweet suspension....not just good enough suspension.
But regardless......a brand new MT07....retro fitted with a top of the range Nitron shock would still only be circa £5500........that is cheap!!!! 8) ......still not as cool as the z though.
Then you'd have a budget commuter with a better shock - the forks, engine and chassis still won't be that amaing, and its only got about 70hp? Hardly an upgrade IMO! Although in fairness I'd probably not personally be looking at things like the Z800 either (personal preference is for more power than that, and you can get much better bikes second hand, with better suspension, brakes and engines!)
Post by: noggythenog on 09 April 2014, 02:11:50 pm
Those Brutale sure are nice frosties....as i say...the europeans have the style and trick stuff...but lack the reliability and dealer networks...although a bit of an unknown the MV & the review says they are trying to up their uk dealers.....but the chance of getting one in wales is pretty slim...real nice though.
Still looking at MT09 & the Z....both have similar torque...although the MT is lighter....but the Z looks more of a bike plus has better finishing touches...comfier seats...flawless fuelling.......the MT i dont doubt will prob be a little bit more fun though.
Post by: J_Dub on 09 April 2014, 03:24:29 pm
It would need this:
(http://www.motorcyclesmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/14.jpg)
Post by: noggythenog on 09 April 2014, 04:07:09 pm
Thing of beauty with a nice can. :)
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 09 April 2014, 05:00:21 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 09 April 2014, 05:29:18 pm
Dont worry Nick
I like the burnt orange one i got pics of....the david dickinson of bike colours.
If it's still there when i go up & i can haggle an Akra can, bellypan & fly screen then ill be having it. 8)
Post by: noggythenog on 09 April 2014, 05:41:11 pm
See the wee ZZZZ's on the seat covering.....that's exactly how tacky i am :D
Plus it has Z when the led's light up the rear brake :eek
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 09 April 2014, 06:13:58 pm
Dont worry Nick
I like the burnt orange one i got pics of....the david dickinson of bike colours.
If it's still there when i go up & i can haggle an Akra can, bellypan & fly screen then ill be having it. 8)
:thumbup :lol
But that's no excuse for covering it in cheap, off-the-shelf tat............like the stuff we sell :rollin
Post by: noggythenog on 13 April 2014, 11:39:44 pm
Dropped her off at the hotel spa today & just had to "nip out"
Quickly drove to thinder road motorcycles in Newport where i seen the CB1000r.............im quite surprised.....no test rides....well i didnt have my bike stuff.....but. Wasnt smitten.....it was nice & stuff.....but not that nice.......not 10k nice...& must like the MT09 the tank was too slim which made the seating position a bit weird.
They did have a Triumph Speed Triple...so i thought it'd be rude not to have a sit.......pretty perfect actually....i was surprised......i like it.
So slowly eliminating some of the contendors.....
Speed triple eh.....1050cc of triple goodness...yum yum
I hope the kwak z8 has a nice feel to it.
Post by: mickvp on 13 April 2014, 11:44:25 pm
you need to get yourself sat on the Zed really before you can make any decisions at all though? cant you find one locally (ish) to get some thoughts for yourself which will give you a better idea if its the one for you or not?
Post by: noggythenog on 13 April 2014, 11:56:21 pm
Hopefully on the case tomorrow Mick
It's such a shame to be down East and not drop in to the bike places coz usually i really am in the sticks.......even welsh folk are like oh ye where's that then?.
She wants to go some natural history place called st fagans which i aint too keen on.....but i need to drop into costco cardiff first for one o those uber tool sets they sell.......so after all that then the plan is to deviate to the kwak dealer and at least see a Z8 in the flesh.
Jus for the record....there was a punters light blue gen 1 thou outside the stealers today....i did admire it and it was very nice......for me personally if they still did them new then id consider one coz they still look kick ass......not saying im too good for one either coz im not......but I'm just looking for some hassle free riding for a few years& while i can afford a new bike even on finance then i wanna take the chance coz you never know whats round the corner likes.
Post by: mickvp on 14 April 2014, 12:01:30 am
Post by: fazersharp on 14 April 2014, 10:12:30 am
Who wants to buy my FZS if I like it
Post by: ogri48 on 14 April 2014, 01:11:42 pm
I've got a triumph, albeit not a performance bike ( bonneville), and there is something incredibly satisfying about owning one, though that might be because I'm older than most of you. It just feels kinda cool too be on a Brit bike, missus loves it too. There's so many reasons we all love our bikes, it isn't down to facts and figures, it's a heart thing more than most. Keep going nogster, your getting there mate...
Post by: stevierst on 14 April 2014, 05:11:57 pm
or shouldnt I...............................
:(:-X:'(:'(:'(
Anyone want a well sorted tuned up 2010 fz1 ??? ::)
Post by: esetest on 14 April 2014, 06:09:15 pm
Me I am determined to buy the new Monster 1200 this year .
Post by: ogri48 on 14 April 2014, 07:46:44 pm
Post by: fazersharp on 14 April 2014, 08:30:43 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 14 April 2014, 08:39:46 pm
I managed to view a Z800 today & I'm mighty impressed...it was just as i wanted it to be.....styling is spot on & it has nice proportions....everything on it looks really good quality.
After my cb1000r disappointment yesterday i was preying that it would be a comfy fit.........&'it is perfect! 8) ......my legs were comfy round the tank, reach to the bars was just right.......sitting on the bike with my foot down on the road sees me flat footed on the ground with just a small leg bend, almost as if I'm just standing up instead of being contorted..
Feet on the pegs is nicely natural as per the pic.
The dealer is getting a demo bike next week so im looking forward to a test ride but so far so good. :)
Post by: slimwilly on 14 April 2014, 09:29:47 pm
now shut the f**k up, Welsh Jock :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: fazersharp on 14 April 2014, 09:47:14 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 14 April 2014, 09:48:08 pm
I cant wait to tell you all about it slim.......in my Autobiography......it's entitled:-
"Wild Bore
One mans luke warm journey into the unimaginative world of boring the foc outta somebody"
Available in selected Spar shops in pontypool until Easter
Post by: noggythenog on 14 April 2014, 09:55:29 pm
Erm --- if I may, I think the kwak looks "plasticky"
You may indeed buddy................where's the "report fazersharp" button :evil :evil :evil
Aint it strange how different folk just take a liking to something though....or a dislike rather......& i cant see that the Z will sell all that well with all the competition it has but there's something strangely endearing about that...& i cant help liking it
Im quite sure the speed triple outperforms it in most areas.....but i do like being the underdog
Post by: slimwilly on 14 April 2014, 09:57:32 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 14 April 2014, 10:14:15 pm
that book will come in handy for wiping my arse with if i run out of nettles :lol
While your taking that shit in the orchard slim then why dont you write down your opinion on the "this page left intentionally blank"...it's page 42.......then follow the instructions on the back cover as follows:-
:b
Post by: mickvp on 14 April 2014, 10:21:25 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 15 April 2014, 10:52:10 am
nice one noggy! glad to hear your another step closer to deciding. looks a good fit for you that bike - very un-mutant-like :lol
Only 1 million more steps (what, about 50,000,000 posts?) to go - nearly there! Good as got it really... :lol
Post by: mickvp on 15 April 2014, 10:52:40 am
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 11:52:57 am
You foccin sarcy fuckers :D
Mr Crisp....perhaps you should be renamed Mr Waffle.....you joined after me but have almost 1000 posts more ha ha.
Who's the most waffly versatile :lol
Trouble is i feel a bit duty bound now to continue coz there's others in the same boat and it seems rude to just not talk about what's goin on and the pros and cons and stuff.....i asked for advice and got lots of it....without someone mentioning the Z i prob wouldnt have even considered it so big thanks to Mr Self Destruct onhat one i think. 8)
Post by: Frosties on 15 April 2014, 01:42:36 pm
Post by: Frosties on 15 April 2014, 01:44:42 pm
Post by: Mattsplat on 15 April 2014, 01:49:18 pm
Shame its about as reliable as a menstruating woman :rolleyes
Post by: Frosties on 15 April 2014, 02:21:09 pm
Ive always had a thing for the Benelli TNT.
Glad its as reliable as a Swiss Watch :rolleyes
Fixed that for you Matt :thumbup . Noggy will love it.......and confuse his choice even more :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 15 April 2014, 02:58:04 pm
Courtesy of Benelli, electrical problems, keep well clear!
Post by: Frosties on 15 April 2014, 03:28:36 pm
Right then, how about my last wish list bike...Moto Morini Corsaro 1200 eh - oh yeah, smokin :D
Post by: slimwilly on 15 April 2014, 08:31:56 pm
so why not look for a three year old bike that never got used,,get it half price and laughing all the way to the bank.the bike will be as NEW,,,good sense and you know it. :)
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 08:39:05 pm
Noggy, if you buy new it will lose half its value in three years,or could,, and then you have a three year old bike :'(
so why not look for a three year old bike that never got used,,get it half price and laughing all the way to the bank.the bike will be as NEW,,,good sense and you know it. :)
Tis a good plan slim....been lots o thoughts on such things.
Basically im asking the buying foccers if they dont mind hanging on til end of season to buy my bike in bits......my bike is booked for an mot on tuesday just find out once & for all....fingers crossed cheaply mot'd bike....enjoy rest of season.......& then buy during the winter when sales are slow...plus i can save more dosh coz thing with new kwak i can get 0%interest but i could also get that on a 2nd hand one with minimal miles through a kwak dealer and save circa 1 to 1.5k.
Also winter time i might get more chance of a min mileage bike being for sale.
Post by: slimwilly on 15 April 2014, 08:44:18 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 08:46:48 pm
And where the hell were you on Sunday,,we visited your estate and you could not be bothered to come out. :lol
& i dont finish work til 0700 Sunday morning this sunday so that's another missed rideout .
Bollocks.........think i need a bicycle not a motorbike
Post by: slimwilly on 15 April 2014, 08:47:57 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 15 April 2014, 08:50:08 pm
Noggy, if you buy new it will lose half its value in three years,or could,, and then you have a three year old bike :'(
so why not look for a three year old bike that never got used,,get it half price and laughing all the way to the bank.the bike will be as NEW,,,good sense and you know it. :)
This x 1 million :thumbup
Post by: taylor on 15 April 2014, 09:09:47 pm
Post by: Millietant on 15 April 2014, 09:16:23 pm
Perfect for the taller rider, great engine, reliability, tourability, tinker-ability and huge amounts of character.
It's also fast (enough) without feeling like mega super-bike......... and they're cheap compared to a KTM/BMW 800 etc............. and hugely better than a TNT, with superb build quality and like here, an awesome on-line owners club (aprilia forum).
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 09:16:52 pm
All about the finance though.
If i had the dosh id private buy a 3 year old bike with low miles.
But i aint got that,much dosh yet.
Plus there aint any 3 year old Z800's...only made 2013 onwards.
But who knows if i get a winning streak of overtime this winter then i might get enough cash in hand for a 1 or 2 year old.........so here's to the ill health of all my colleagues for my selfish gain :evil :evil :evil
Post by: Millietant on 15 April 2014, 09:19:50 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 09:20:50 pm
Gen 1 or Gen 2, V - Twin, Tuono.
Perfect for the taller rider, great engine, reliability, tourability, tinker-ability and huge amounts of character.
It's also fast (enough) without feeling like mega super-bike......... and they're cheap compared to a KTM/BMW 800 etc............. and hugely better than a TNT, with superb build quality and like here, an awesome on-line owners club (aprilia forum).
I like the tono, i really do
But already discounted on basis of general reliability or at least reputational reliability isnt up to jap levels yet.
I see you have an Aprillia so maybe you beg to differ on this fact........how many high mileage Aprillias and particularly tuonos are out there....how robust are the electrics & do they tarnish quickly compared to jap stuff????
Post by: Millietant on 15 April 2014, 09:47:00 pm
Build quality is way ahead of our other bikes (we currently have another 4 Honda's, 3 Yamaha's, 1 Reiju and 1 Chinese copy of an XLR 125 in our garage). It's also better than our prior bikes.
Aprilia electrics are also as reliable as anything Japanese. Despite it being a big V-Twin, I've just today replaced my RSV battery - the first has lasted 11 years (always on an optimate when not running) and I've not even had as much as a bulb blow.
Aprilia's are NOT Ducati's.
After the RSV, our Honda's have always had the best build quality - but we've never had an unreliable bike in the last 25 years - if you look after them, they look after you :)
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 09:55:20 pm
Reliability is definitely NOT an issue - I don't know anyone with an Aprilia who has had reliability problems.
Build quality is way ahead of our other bikes (we currently have another 4 Honda's, 3 Yamaha's, 1 Reiju and 1 Chinese copy of an XLR 125 in our garage). It's also better than our prior bikes.
Aprilia electrics are also as reliable as anything Japanese. Despite it being a big V-Twin, I've just today replaced my RSV battery - the first has lasted 11 years (always on an optimate when not running) and I've not even had as much as a bulb blow.
Aprilia's are NOT Ducati's.
After the RSV, our Honda's have always had the best build quality - but we've never had an unreliable bike in the last 25 years - if you look after them, they look after you :)
Good to hear it from the horses mouth Millitant...cheers.
So basically a nice clean tuono.....(fighter)....only summer ridden and stored in a shed and dealer serviced should in your experience be just as reliable as a kwak or a yam????
If that's true then it could be back on the table.....ive bounced back and forward regarding it...i do still love the Z800 but i think the tuono will be more thrilling....& if it comes down to the start of next season & ive stripped my bike and ive got no bike to ride....& it's either buy a nice Tuono with cash or sign up to finance then the Tuono would get instantly approved me thinks...i dont need persuading about it's desireability...i do desire it.....i just want something i can ride every year with minimal arsing about.
Post by: Millietant on 15 April 2014, 09:57:47 pm
To be fair, mine has been ridden quite hard (about 5000 miles on the Nurburgring) and it's been used for touring in Europe plenty and it's been totally reliable - I honestly don't think a GSXR or R1 would have survived the use in such good condition, still feeling "tight".
The "rumours" of un-reliability are just that. The UK Aprilia guru (Griff) used to do a column for Classic and Motorcycle Mechanics and knows the bikes inside out - ask him about reliability if you feel the need (Aprila Performance at Tamworth).
Post by: ogri48 on 15 April 2014, 10:01:03 pm
thirded......Noggy, if you buy new it will lose half its value in three years,or could,, and then you have a three year old bike :'(
so why not look for a three year old bike that never got used,,get it half price and laughing all the way to the bank.the bike will be as NEW,,,good sense and you know it. :)
This x 1 million :thumbup
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 10:06:16 pm
Cheers Millietant
Sounds like you know what you're talking about.
Good thing is i could afford a "trick" Tuono....the one with all the uber bling running gear & that was one of my original wants.
I've sat on one & instantly loved it...that particular one just wasn't clean enough for me so maybe i need to revisit this avenue & view a clean one with some decent miles under its belt to see for myself how they fare up over time.....& then buy one that's never seen rain or cold& has low mileage & fsh of course.
Post by: stevierst on 15 April 2014, 10:10:20 pm
Electrics went tits up several times and it eventually caught fire, wheel bearings in the back wheel collapsed and nearly killed me, plus many more stupid little things that shouldn't have gone wrong.
My bike was probably built by the Aprilia apprentice on a friday! ::)
Post by: noggythenog on 15 April 2014, 10:11:28 pm
Wasnt that when Christo went on a sailing holiday to Italy????????
Post by: Millietant on 15 April 2014, 10:16:31 pm
I have to say that my FJ 1200 has been utterly reliable over 25 years and so has Liz's Gen 1 Fazer 1000 over 12 years - hence I'm also a Yamaha fan - but both Yams have suffered more furry alloy and "thin paint" than the RSV.
My fave bike of them all is defo the FJ 1200.
Post by: ChristoT on 15 April 2014, 10:22:03 pm
Wasnt that when Christo went on a sailing holiday to Italy????????
Caught fire?
Must have been Dead Eye. :lol :lol :lol
Post by: stevierst on 16 April 2014, 05:49:19 am
Saying that, my bro-in-law has owned his mille streetfighter 5-6 years, and it's on 47 thousand now. Only had the sprag clutch go wrong and a couple of minor things. And it sounds like thunder. >:D
Post by: Dead Eye on 16 April 2014, 10:06:31 am
Wasnt that when Christo went on a sailing holiday to Italy????????
Caught fire?
Must have been Dead Eye. :lol :lol :lol
Yeah... I can't afford to burn my own bikes these days :evil
Post by: noggythenog on 21 April 2014, 09:46:35 pm
Thought yous were gettin rid o me didn't yous?????
Bastards trying to see me off to other brands....other forums.........foc off noggy.......do one you mutant!!! :eek ,
Fill some other forum full of horses piss.
Well.........
Foccin stuck with me now..........except i now have power..............& i will talk down to yous bitches!!!! :b
Post by: mickvp on 21 April 2014, 09:47:27 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 21 April 2014, 09:51:49 pm
No money has changed hands
But the deal is done
I is a happy foccer
All yous 600 owners are foccin scum :b ....get a grip will yas....bling aint gonna make you faster.......foccin K&N....it's handcuffs yous need......foccin rev monkeys!!!!!
Only joking
Thanks everyone for all the help......i woulda had a kwak z but a fz1 so nice with nice stuff on it for such a price was just too good to pass on. 8)
Post by: mickvp on 21 April 2014, 11:20:44 pm
Post by: stevierst on 22 April 2014, 02:33:31 am
Post by: slimwilly on 22 April 2014, 06:10:27 am
Post by: Dave48 on 22 April 2014, 07:51:29 am
You've had the vision, seen the light and, like a few other organisations, found you can join but you cant leave!
Now stop all this silly nonsense.....you've finally realised.... FAZERS RULE! but don't get all supercilious towards us humbler brethren on 600s!!!! :lol
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 07:53:29 am
Who said that :lol
Post by: Exupnut on 22 April 2014, 08:26:14 am
Post by: Dead Eye on 22 April 2014, 10:40:35 am
Fantastic bikes though ^^
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 11:30:47 am
Gen2 deadeye.....i aint that old yet :b
Ye thanks very much everyone......it has been emotional and i did frequent the gen 2 a few times in my quest......i had to make a decision and for that money it was worth dipping my toe in the water.....now i will experience pure power......perhaps it wont be for me.....who knows but that itch will be scratched......id i like the Z800 but hey i can always try one in future when prices are lower.
Im really glad i get to stay in the foccer fold 8) , not to be underestimated as it really is a great club......even though i chat shit most of the time :rolleyes
And plus i dont feel so guilty about parting with the noggyfighter...im staying yam and staying fazer.......she wont grudge me that.
Post by: Millietant on 22 April 2014, 11:48:47 am
Consistency not one of your strengths ? :) :)
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 01:11:43 pm
So Noggy - what happened to the "large capacity inline 4 isn't for me .....prob a twin...maybe a triple...", "a fairing isnt important as i do fine on my fighter".
Consistency not one of your strengths ? :) :)
I am consistently inconsistent :lol
The price got me......it's was rude not to.
& if it isnt for me i'll easily get the same back for it again.
So i have a trip to Manchester and back.......on some of the nicest roads in Wales....that is the level of inconvenience ill have if i dont like it......& i'll be totally honest if i dont.....i'll know by the journeys end if it is t the bike for me.
Originally on another thread my requirement was better suspension on the 600......but counting up the required mods came to about £800 and i decided i just didn't want to soend another £800 modifying a bike that was only worth £800........so i started looking at bikes that had better handling packages and whilst i was at it i thought well you know lets also have a comfy bike and hmmm do i really need much power so maybe twins and triples.
But i was pretty settled on a Z800 which was an inline 4.....but they are 7k.....that's the biggest factor that changed my mind......given both bikes side by side at the same price i'd still have the Z and i wont lie about that.
Ive looked at the fz1 previously....whilst the top end power isnt really what i need i had decided that with large capacity also came large grunt so the lower down grunt will still be considerably more than i am used to.....i'll just need to learn to rein in the theottle a bit and not get too carried away.
& whilst i'm not fussed about a front fairing....well it certainly wont harm me i dont reckon.
Perhaps my biggest gripe might be the seating and leg position.....& time will tell with that one.....my 600 is jacked up which i like so maybe ill look at doing that to the thou.
Apart from that i'll be getting sports bike handling, a nice Nitron rear shock on a sweet chassis will do me nicely for the twisties.
So im sat with £800 worth of 600......another £800 would have seen it handling as best as it could have done......for £1600 all in.........for an extra 2k i now have a top performance machine that is 7 years newer.
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 01:32:29 pm
Here she is.
What to call her????.......Noggythou?......or The Big Dwell :b
Post by: dBfazer600 on 22 April 2014, 01:47:55 pm
Noggy has gone over to the dark side. Take a little break and the foccer goes soft in the head and lets face it Noggy's knoggin is bloody large and obviously empty. At least he did not go for the oil thirsty BMW and turn his back on the foccer community on the whim of been overly pretentious ;)
So what do you think his first and lets face it not last MOD will be?
He can't help but fettle and tinkle with small toys. Some say he over compensates for the lack of been able to satisfy himself on a daily basis that he must go and play alone in his man cave where he keeps a well stocked lube closet.
So will this be the demise of the FZS600 Fazer board and will he be accepted by the big boys and girls off the 1000 club?
Hope its not a good bye and that you enjoy the bike mate.
Daz
Post by: Mattsplat on 22 April 2014, 01:49:03 pm
Post by: dBfazer600 on 22 April 2014, 01:53:30 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 02:42:50 pm
Ginger :D
As always
Im confused???????? :pokefun
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 02:47:14 pm
Thanks for those kind words Daz
Obviously spoken by someone with a Red fazer
The new fastest colour there is :b
Post by: Frosties on 22 April 2014, 04:09:47 pm
How about "The Lazy Lob"
Post by: taylor on 22 April 2014, 04:11:48 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 05:13:48 pm
Lazy lob :lol
I declare i now have a new bike name for the thou.....not lazy lob! :rolleyes
There is a clue.
Who can guess correctly???
No foccin prizes....just respect.
Post by: Frosties on 22 April 2014, 05:14:59 pm
Post by: mickvp on 22 April 2014, 05:21:42 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 05:22:09 pm
Is it "Semi" :D
My wife been on here blabbing? :b
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 05:24:25 pm
Red Mist ;)
:thumbup
Top o the class Mick, fair play that was quick
Thought id stumped all these old timers with that one.
Obviously i had to think of a sensible, tasteful and not at all ridiculous name for the new bike :lol
Post by: Frosties on 22 April 2014, 05:26:23 pm
Is it "Semi" :D
My wife been on here blabbing? :b
Errrr nope, she talks in her sleep :lol :lol
Ahh c'mon, it's a stunning bike - you'd have both hands in your pockets just looking at it. Lazy or Semi in my books Nog!!
Seriously - i reckon the new avatar is a clue but haven't a fook who it is!!
Post by: mickvp on 22 April 2014, 05:26:55 pm
Post by: NorthWestern on 22 April 2014, 05:52:24 pm
Is that an MTC silencer?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 April 2014, 05:58:24 pm
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I am consistently inconsistent :lol
You are consistently full of shit :lol
What to call her?!! :rolleyes You big girl's blouse, it's a thing you soft bugger. Call it "my bike". Tart. :lol
Well done though Noggy, pleased for ya, hope you enjoy it and it ticks a few boxes for you. Now STFU, OK?
Post by: slimwilly on 22 April 2014, 06:03:02 pm
whats the manufacturing date? is it 2008? and (not too important) is it a US model like mine?
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 06:07:59 pm
looks sweet :)
Is that an MTC silencer?
I thought MTC was a company?
Or is it an Akra model???
Got an Akra sticker anyway.
My missus reckons i should stick my simmi can on it from my 600 but i really doubt that'll work....plus it's scratched to foc......but she got me it & im trying to keep her sweet so she doesnt notice her holiday money just went up in smoke! :evil :evil :evil
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 06:12:39 pm
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I am consistently inconsistent :lol
You are consistently full of shit :lol
What to call her?!! :rolleyes You big girl's blouse, it's a thing you soft bugger. Call it "my bike". Tart. :lol
Well done though Noggy, pleased for ya, hope you enjoy it and it ticks a few boxes for you. Now STFU, OK?
Thanks Nick
You love my rambling really
& you shall now address her as Red Mist at all times :b
Im ctually noticing some similarities between you and another kick ass character.
Colonel stars and stripes!!! :D
Post by: NorthWestern on 22 April 2014, 06:13:57 pm
I got an Akra for my Gen 1 and the only thing I dislike is the inlet side of the silencer, its a bit bulbous, I noticed yours has a flat end (like a can of beans - whereas mine is more like a capsule).
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 06:18:30 pm
"Rusty" lol :lol
whats the manufacturing date? is it 2008? and (not too important) is it a US model like mine?
Yes my first choice was actually On the Blob.....but that's not too PC
I dunno manufacture date slim, just reg2008, why you ask then???, was there updates around that times....howdya know an american one anyway?......oh such questions questions questions i have..... :groan :uhuh
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 22 April 2014, 06:27:13 pm
Im ctually noticing some similarities between you and another kick ass character.
Colonel stars and stripes!!! :D
I'm old Noggy - that all just went straight over my head - haven't a clue what the foc you're yakkin about :rolleyes
Post by: red98 on 22 April 2014, 06:44:59 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 07:01:44 pm
Wow......noggysgot a new bike......kept that quiet :rollin
Ahhhh...it's the Red baron himself
How do Red
You know me....man of little words n all that.........like Dave off o the tv series Royal Family.
Post by: taylor on 22 April 2014, 07:22:01 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 22 April 2014, 07:25:49 pm
rusty sheriff,s badge. :'(
ACF50........works on everything :b
Post by: taylor on 22 April 2014, 07:29:42 pm
Post by: Exupnut on 22 April 2014, 08:02:48 pm
Post by: slimwilly on 22 April 2014, 08:10:35 pm
"Rusty" lol :lol
whats the manufacturing date? is it 2008? and (not too important) is it a US model like mine?
Yes my first choice was actually On the Blob.....but that's not too PC
I dunno manufacture date slim, just reg2008, why you ask then???, was there updates around that times....howdya know an american one anyway?......oh such questions questions questions i have..... :groan :uhuh
No nowt wrong,,its just you only remember the questions after you have bought something.would you feel any different if it had a manufacuring date on it of 2006 ?
Post by: ChristoT on 22 April 2014, 08:13:11 pm
The Red Runt seems apt :-)
How about Ginger Pubes? :b
Post by: NorthWestern on 22 April 2014, 08:37:51 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 22 April 2014, 08:51:32 pm
Stalin
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Hats off to you for that one, Sir!
Post by: noggythenog on 01 May 2014, 07:36:44 pm
Post by: red98 on 01 May 2014, 07:39:59 pm
Post by: mickvp on 01 May 2014, 07:48:19 pm
you took your time :rolleyes ....looks good mr nog,even the tank bag matches......so,how dose it compare with the nogfighter ?
he was probably on hold while waiting to cancel the insurance on the noggyfighter.
Looks epic noggy mate, belter :)
Post by: red98 on 01 May 2014, 08:06:07 pm
Post by: dazza on 01 May 2014, 08:14:47 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 01 May 2014, 08:22:21 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 01 May 2014, 08:28:02 pm
Sorry chaps, only just had a shower & warmed up my core...had to fire to 24 hr garage for some vitals (few tinnies to calm the excitement)....now the father in law is popping round plus my old man wants an immediate update on all things thou related.
Tell you something though......i finally conquered my fear of riding in the pissing rain........feared no longer. 8)
Post by: red98 on 01 May 2014, 08:32:43 pm
Post by: taylor on 01 May 2014, 09:04:53 pm
Post by: DekF on 01 May 2014, 10:05:55 pm
I hope you have a long & enjoyable journey with it & if you need to know anything pm me anytime you like.
Dek
Post by: unfazed on 01 May 2014, 10:10:45 pm
Glad to see another Foccer who has seen the light and purchased the right colour. :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 May 2014, 10:12:31 pm
Post by: Exupnut on 01 May 2014, 10:41:12 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 01 May 2014, 10:47:38 pm
Very first impressions ie first half hour........everything was tight & stiff & the bike felt substantial......but a little heavy....wee bit wobbling on pulling away in 1st and felt like i needed to clutch it more to get the momentum up...........later on all sense of weight had been forgotten & it was most likely just getting used to another bikes particular controls....
more muscle is required on the bars compared to noggyfighter.....possible slight ache on my right wrist....dunno why...maybe i was tensing a bit whilst flapping in the rain......maybe im used to my Renthals....but it is a different style where i think you've gotta be more push/pull on the bars or more pronounced with the counter steering...i also stopped caring about that later on...........the seat is painful after 100 miles in comparison to the 600 sofa seat.....but is just about time to fill up anyway before the light comes on at 130....
Im pleased with the physical size of the bike...i kinda thought they were smaller but is a good size & has a good road presence.......i had to do quite allot of filtering & it still felt slim enough to squeeze through.......the gilles rearsets are awesome and really comfy for me..i didnt have any aches or awkwardness from the pegs...real chuffed coz they are ultimate bling which serves a good purpose..
It is really nice to have lights again :) .....they are useful.
Something id never get round to fitting but now own.......heated grips.........switchable morale :)
It looks stunning...kerbside appeal is right up there...it gets a few looks.....fair play to Chris he has done a good few tasteful mods & i suppose being on foc-u and being used to seeing fazers kinda numbs the fact that joe blogs looks and thinks it looks exotic......the integrated rear lights and indicators really make the arse end tidy and sleek & the Akra can & rearsets complete the eye candy nicely......i stopped for a sandwich during one of many tailbacks due idiots & looking at her definitely gave me a semi :b .
Ok that was a bit boring for a review....i best go all Jeremy Clarkson now.
But foc all that...........that's just the bread in the sandwich.......what's inside pandoras box........ooooooer!!!!! :rolleyes
Lets remember im after a sunny day hoot bike......i want performance to match the bling......i want good handling & i want to reminisce about it...............yes.....it is foccin stupendous!!!!.......the Akra can sounds shit hot..real deep & grumpy.....actually the engine is generally deep & grumpy.....i expected a bigger version of the fzs600 engine but no no no it is different.....even at standstill you can feel the engine moving you about as it moans about being stuck in traffic......the 600 is like really happy & smooth & perky....when it goes it shouts "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"....,"moooooooore"...,,it wants to please.......like a springer spaniel...this gen2 engine is more like "am comin to eat yur babieeeeeeees & you will be greatfullllllllllll!!!!!"..........hmmmmmm.....i suppose what im describing is grunt then.......ye it foccin grunts all over the place :b .........oink oink!.
Ive never experienced power quite like it.......3rd & 4th gear overtakes are a real experience........but i wouldn't particularly say that id take chances to overtake that i wouldn't on the 600...,my riding style is the same & the 600 is still quick enough........but it is the package.....& as a package overtakes are more fun.......it is quicker.....but noisier........the noise is really addictive...like my old Type-R K&N Typhoon air intake noise.....a proper reverberation.......it is fun in a box.....just so nice to hear........produce 1000 bio mechanical wasps....stick them in a sealed can.......shake it like foc & fire it into the hadron collider & i reckon there'd be a simillar noise :D .
& handling is real plush....yes it is heavy...yes there's more steering input required.....foc up & it'll push you to the outside of a corner.........but get it right...pick a line & it keeps that line superbly.....you can feel the rear suspension working but instead of skipping about over the road it is like a gyroscopic tank turret that stays stable regardless of the bumps....& ive never leaned so much on a bike before.......even my wet weather riding which i am actually scared of was eventually more on par with my usual normal dry riding on the old 600 if im not trying to push it.
So to summarise......yes i like it 8)
Post by: Frosties on 01 May 2014, 11:16:18 pm
.....i stopped for a sandwich during one of many tailbacks due idiots & looking at her definitely gave me a semi :b .
And what were the two names I suggested then and the reason why eh :lol
Pleased for you Noggy, cracking bike you've picked up, take it easy fella :thumbup
Post by: mickvp on 01 May 2014, 11:16:27 pm
Also agree with the overtaking thing - you dont necessarily do it and faster, just more swiftly.
Post by: noggythenog on 01 May 2014, 11:34:16 pm
Should it be semi then or semy......or semA to add mystery?????? :lol
Cant help one more close up pic. 8)
Plus another nightly blue diss. :evil
Post by: slimwilly on 02 May 2014, 06:57:25 am
My blue bike has just pissed on the laptop screen,,,,cant blame it really :rolleyes
Oh and if you didn't know you are coming down to Lofo meet at Loom[size=78%]ies June 15th,,we will meet up with Deadeye and go from his.[/size]
Post by: NorthWestern on 02 May 2014, 07:45:23 am
Post by: bigbluebear on 02 May 2014, 08:08:35 am
Post by: ogri48 on 02 May 2014, 09:12:42 am
That engine still surprises me occasionally, it's an r1 lump when alls said and done. And comfy seats/ long tank range are for poofs.... ;) :)
Post by: noggythenog on 02 May 2014, 01:47:26 pm
More pics
We do love pics :)
Forgot to say...i like being honest...i dont feel the brakes are any better than the 600 blue spots....testiment to the old R1 brakes rather than a dig at the gen 2......it does have a little extra weight to pull up.
Post by: stevierst on 02 May 2014, 04:22:48 pm
Post by: esetest on 02 May 2014, 05:05:57 pm
Post by: Chris on 02 May 2014, 05:49:56 pm
Only kidding mate, bike looks stunning and I'm glad it went to you to look after her. Give it a clean though, swing arm looks filthy already :b
All the best man and don't ride faster than your guardian angel can fly ;) (That goes for the rest of you focers too)
Chris
Post by: Dave48 on 02 May 2014, 05:56:25 pm
Post by: mickvp on 02 May 2014, 06:11:20 pm
Post by: red98 on 02 May 2014, 08:57:49 pm
Post by: Exupnut on 02 May 2014, 09:41:39 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 02 May 2014, 09:49:57 pm
Or BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
:b
Post by: ChristoT on 02 May 2014, 10:24:57 pm
Or BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUU......
:b
Interesting... you'd prefer admit to having a vag (normal for red bike riders) than allow people to think you ride a blue bike? :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: His Dudeness on 02 May 2014, 10:45:59 pm
Post by: Dead Eye on 03 May 2014, 12:28:15 am
I do prefer the red on the FZ1 compared to the blue, has to be said :evil
Post by: Lez72 on 03 May 2014, 06:50:58 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 27 December 2014, 08:29:21 pm
Feel like dragging this thread up as a winter warmer. :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil .
Bit o nostalgia :lol
Post by: NorthWestern on 27 December 2014, 09:42:33 pm
Post by: NorthWestern on 27 December 2014, 09:42:55 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 27 December 2014, 09:44:27 pm
Because yous're dying to know then im now thinking of getting a Versys 650.
Ok ok ok...if yous insist.....here's a pic.
Post by: noggythenog on 27 December 2014, 09:46:42 pm
I've been wondering about a buell, the air cooled ones not the new type/EBR. One pulled up at the lights a while, sounds mint and look fun
Is this one?
Post by: NorthWestern on 27 December 2014, 09:50:17 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 27 December 2014, 09:58:33 pm
Yeah that's the new one. Water cooled etc. I'm thinking xb12 era.
They look a bit mental.
Post by: noggythenog on 27 December 2014, 10:07:35 pm
& here's an MV Augusta Brutale 800 for sale in Rochdale for a mere £7500.
I dont want one......im just drwing in Frosties so he can then buy my bike :b
Post by: Frosties on 29 December 2014, 09:16:52 am
Bar Steward!! :finger
& here's an MV Augusta Brutale 800 for sale in Rochdale for a mere £7500.
I dont want one......im just drwing in Frosties so he can then buy my bike :b
Still want one....My name is Frostius Frostimus Frostidius, commander of the Bikers of the Wokingham Massive and loyal servant to the TRUE Fazer Emperor, StevieRST. Father to a tired Tiger, husband to a murdered 600. And I will have my reward, in this life or the next. :lol :lol
Like the Versys 650 in all honesty. Thought about the MT-09 Tracer, it's a cracker :thumbup
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 11:54:30 am
I've been looking at sensible criteria now for my next bike....i've done the crazy speed and tricked up experience. Now im after circa 200 miles from a tank because filling up after 130 miles is annoying. Also after a bit more comfort plus a high riding position.
As much as i love the sound of the little MT07....i think i'd look like a mutant on it plus it doesnt have the tank range i would like.
The SM singles would be fun but too uncomfy on longer runs which i predominently do.
The big SM's are still outta my price range such as the 990 adventure.
Ive been using the cycle ergo to get an idea of sizes and seating positions of different bikes and that has also led me to the 650 Versys.
Ive grouped a load of the usual suspects together by their seating positions. - see next posts.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 12:06:35 pm
Ok...the first group.
Hardly sportsbike crouched but still with a bit of a forward lean and reasonably crouched, likely to be painful for me on longer distances.....model used is 5 foot 11 to match me.......my thou is even mire crouched than the example because of the Gilles rear sets.
Post by: JoeRock on 29 December 2014, 12:07:25 pm
Tracer will be a good bike but still well out of my price range.
I've been looking at sensible criteria now for my next bike....i've done the crazy speed and tricked up experience. Now im after circa 200 miles from a tank because filling up after 130 miles is annoying. Also after a bit more comfort plus a high riding position.
As much as i love the sound of the little MT07....i think i'd look like a mutant on it plus it doesnt have the tank range i would like.
The SM singles would be fun but too uncomfy on longer runs which i predominently do.
The big SM's are still outta my price range such as the 990 adventure.
Ive been using the cycle ergo to get an idea of sizes and seating positions of different bikes and that has also led me to the 650 Versys.
Ive grouped a load of the usual suspects together by their seating positions. - see next posts.
Out of general curiosity Noggy, how often do you need to do 200 miles in one hit? That kind of tank range really does narrow down your choices (although in your case that might be best :lol )
Couple others to look at would be the V Strom (650 or 1000, depending on what you fancy), perhaps TDM 900 would suit the bill?
This is again personal, but all of those though you'll find gutless after your FZ1 - they're all twins putting out something like 80 odd hp (the TDM might be a bit more) - its less than your old FZS had!
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 12:11:58 pm
A few more in the semi-crouched position.......not bad, just not the most comfortable for me on paper.
Im not saying uncomfortable per say.......just that better can be had.
Post by: JoeRock on 29 December 2014, 12:15:54 pm
Again personal, but for proper distance riding I've always found a SPORTS tourer riding position to be much more comfortable (something like an ST1050, or my ZX-9R). When moving you you don't have any weight on your wrists as you hold onto the tank with your legs, and the wind lifts you up. Done a fair few 300 mile days on the 9 and was fine (it also gets over 200 before reserve on motorway runs :lol ) - tried the same thing on both the FZS 6 and 1k I had and they weren't anywhere near as comfy. Despite the seats being softer, being upright like that puts too much weight on my lower back for comfort, and the lack of wind protection and upright riding position force you into the wind like a sail!
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 12:37:04 pm
Noggy, do you have some kind of neck/wrist injuries?
Again personal, but for proper distance riding I've always found a SPORTS tourer riding position to be much more comfortable (something like an ST1050, or my ZX-9R). When moving you you don't have any weight on your wrists as you hold onto the tank with your legs, and the wind lifts you up. Done a fair few 300 mile days on the 9 and was fine (it also gets over 200 before reserve on motorway runs :lol ) - tried the same thing on both the FZS 6 and 1k I had and they weren't anywhere near as comfy. Despite the seats being softer, being upright like that puts too much weight on my lower back for comfort, and the lack of wind protection and upright riding position force you into the wind like a sail!
Joe ive snared you in my spiders web.......you cant escape now...........stuck, legs pulled off one by one.....preying for a quick death before my mind has been made up :lol
You're right about the fuel......ill usually stop after 100 miles....but on the thou i have to or want to just for a stretch.......i tend to be getting cramp in my quads.......i have had a back operation years ago so i can start to feel twinges if im in a bit of a stress position for too long......i manage it well.......only the scotland trip trashed it but that was 500 miles with only fuel stops so understandable.
It's just thati've been in the back of beyond before and been close to running out, poor planning but it is nice to have another 50 miles in reserve if needed sometimes.
Ive got quite a few more bikes to stick up which i find interesting as i havent been basing them on cc or hp....just what i kinda like and how ergonomic they happen to be.....ZX9 is one of them in a class of its own....purely because ive read about how it bucks the trend being a comfy sportsbike.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 December 2014, 12:49:40 pm
Leave it for better weather and then go and get loads of test rides, would be my recommendation.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 12:56:01 pm
Many more recommendations Noggy, and everything will have been suggested by someone or other and you'll be back to square one :lol
Leave it for better weather and then go and get loads of test rides, would be my recommendation.
Ye but that is too simple Nick and i wont be able to complete my waffle :lol
I have so much to say.......so much to give..........i see Red has started a xmas cheer thread, im sure i can add some input to that :)
Post by: red98 on 29 December 2014, 01:18:48 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 01:37:31 pm
Anyway.....in a class of its own.....couldnt really se me having a ZX9....but for comparing then here it is.
I dont doubt that it is comfy but i like to be sitting up high to see over cars and hedges and i wont get that with this bike.
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 01:53:56 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 01:56:59 pm
& looky looky........the mighty old school TDR 250 only recently u earthed on foc-u as a bit of a gem.
& how simillar its riding position is to other more modern SM's...........& low and behold the mighty MT09, some striking similarities here i thinks.
Also shows how simillar the Dorsoduro and the MT09 are with the same forward lean and simillar comfort.
Post by: JoeRock on 29 December 2014, 01:58:12 pm
Lovely bikes they are - similarly quick to the FZ1, just a higher top speed, 19L tank and decently economical if not thrashed. I've gone so far as to put a full hard luggage set on mine it makes such a good tourer. Best thing to compare it to really would be an ST1050 (which I was looking at getting for a bit) - but its a fair bit heavier, the suspension and headlights aren't as good, and I missed the ZX-9R top end. Made more sense just to put hard luggage on my 9!
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 02:04:03 pm
I think it would be funny to have an FJR with some ridiculously bling exhausts on it. :)
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 December 2014, 02:18:21 pm
Post by: JoeRock on 29 December 2014, 02:45:27 pm
Those position diagrams are useless. Why would you, on every bike, have your elbows bent at 90 deg.?
Must admit I was thinking that Nick!
Come on Noggy, get some consistency, you wanted a lighter bike, not an FJR! :lol
Post by: fazersharp on 29 December 2014, 04:02:49 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 04:17:17 pm
Is this a little more realistic
Ahhhhhhhhhhh :rollin :rollin :rollin
Yep :o
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 04:46:33 pm
This is a good video.....ok the guy aint going supersonic but the bike is hardly slow now is it.
http://youtu.be/MZhJ-d0NdDM (http://youtu.be/MZhJ-d0NdDM)
Good scenery too plus i like thise tunnels. 8)
& an adjustment to seat and arm position.
Post by: dazza on 29 December 2014, 05:17:34 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 05:25:55 pm
I actually don't think that's a bad choice Noggy, I was tempted by a Versys a little while ago as a winter hack. although, I think you could have fun on anything along those roads and not even necessarily need an engine. :)
Cheers Dazza, i cant think of any other bike that fits the genre while being affordable and modern......i think an MT 07 engine in a simillar package from Yamaha would be a winner as the MT engine packs a little more punch than the Versys......yamaha have of course pretty much done it now with the MT Tracer but that is way outta my budget............but a brand new pre registered versys with the old style fugly headlight is just over 5k.....and unlike the MT07 it has more big bike proportions and is closer to the 200 miles per tank of fuel.
Post by: pilgo on 29 December 2014, 05:49:56 pm
buy my Fazer 600 so i can buy the MT 09 TRACER that im in lust with :)
and cos its you,i'll keep all the trick blingy bits on it for ya AND chuck in the R6 shock that i have waiting to be fitted :thumbup
job done,can we close this thread now,as noggy is going back to his beloved :faz 600 days :lol
go on,you know you want to mate ;)
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 29 December 2014, 06:08:18 pm
noggy,go back to when you was happy,to the bike you adored,and hanker over every time you see one,a bike you know,and trust,one that'll do the trip back over the wall in (relative) comfort and let you play and scratch on your lovely welsh roads..........
buy my Fazer 600 so i can buy the MT 09 TRACER that im in lust with :)
and cos its you,i'll keep all the trick blingy bits on it for ya AND chuck in the R6 shock that i have waiting to be fitted :thumbup
job done,can we close this thread now,as noggy is going back to his beloved :faz 600 days :lol
go on,you know you want to mate ;)
Make sense to me pilgo. Then he won't be banished to the "what did you do with whatever else you've got" thread with the Christos and other riff raff :pokefun
Oh, wait, but then you will be! Traitors, the lot of ya :lol
:faz :faz :faz :faz :faz :faz :D
Post by: unfazed on 29 December 2014, 06:43:24 pm
1. Fzs600 Carburettor version :thumbup
2. Fzs1000 Carburettor Version :thumbup
3. Walk :lol
Post by: JoeRock on 29 December 2014, 10:26:46 pm
But anyway, this is what got me to the Versys 650, tall riding position and supermoto type ergonomics, long travel suspension, good handling, ok not the most powerful but still fun.
This is a good video.....ok the guy aint going supersonic but the bike is hardly slow now is it.
[url]http://youtu.be/MZhJ-d0NdDM[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/MZhJ-d0NdDM[/url])
Good scenery too plus i like thise tunnels. 8)
& an adjustment to seat and arm position.
It doesn't look much as though he's ever going above 80 to me? Not my type of road unfortunately - looks lovely, and I'd love it on a supermoto or something, but I wouldn't be able to stretch the legs of my 10!
Post by: noggythenog on 29 December 2014, 10:38:18 pm
But anyway, this is what got me to the Versys 650, tall riding position and supermoto type ergonomics, long travel suspension, good handling, ok not the most powerful but still fun.
This is a good video.....ok the guy aint going supersonic but the bike is hardly slow now is it.
[url]http://youtu.be/MZhJ-d0NdDM[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/MZhJ-d0NdDM[/url])
Good scenery too plus i like thise tunnels. 8)
& an adjustment to seat and arm position.
It doesn't look much as though he's ever going above 80 to me? Not my type of road unfortunately - looks lovely, and I'd love it on a supermoto or something, but I wouldn't be able to stretch the legs of my 10!
That's all im after Joe, maybe max out at 100 and then back to 80....but on small roads.....not as smooth as that video though, a few more potholes and patches. I like exploring now so im often on little B roads out in the sticks.
I will miss the power of the Thou.....and im glad i did it just for the experience......but the rest will make up for that........if i ever get big time smoked by a FZ1 though i might change my mind again :lol ......unless im on a straight then i wont feel so bad.
Post by: red98 on 30 December 2014, 09:44:14 am
so, whilst hes busy getting in the way it gives us foccers who know, time to choose his bike without him getting in the way :thumbup .....a quick flick through the bay that is evil and i find a bike with noggys name written all over it.........job done :D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151532324039?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151532324039?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Post by: slappy on 30 December 2014, 01:19:22 pm
Post by: positron on 30 December 2014, 01:27:44 pm
buy my Fazer 600 so i can buy the MT 09 TRACER that im in lust with :)
That got me googling and I didn't know Yamaha had announced the price of the bike - £8150!
Hmm, I wonder what it would be here in Ireland. Nothing on Yamaha's Irish site, I must check with Danfay.
Post by: pilgo on 30 December 2014, 02:47:48 pm
buy my Fazer 600 so i can buy the MT 09 TRACER that im in lust with :)
That got me googling and I didn't know Yamaha had announced the price of the bike - £8150!
Hmm, I wonder what it would be here in Ireland. Nothing on Yamaha's Irish site, I must check with Danfay.
go on youtube,type in '2015 yamaha FJ-09 - first ride and review (MT-09 TRACER)' and watch/listen to that triple roaring,the yank doing the commentry is a tad annoying,but its a great review and is seriously getting me tempted to get one !! ( sorry,not i.t savvy enough to put the linky thingy up :pc )
theres also a vid up of the Tracer with the Akropovic exhaust on,sounds even better !! :b
Post by: positron on 30 December 2014, 03:32:56 pm
I have to say the rear end is a bit meh, bigger head lights (or both lights coming on together, like the foxeye) would have been nicer, and bigger / wider front fairing - but yeah it does look very tasty overall.
Post by: Yamazer-92 on 01 January 2015, 07:59:06 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 02 January 2015, 05:28:31 pm
Some of the bikes you've mentioned have been reviewed in the latest issue of bike magazine Noggy. The new Versys 650 got a really good review, looks alright not very interested myself but it got 4/5 stars which is really good and the write up was singing its praises highly. The MT-09 tracer, that is a bike that I am interested in. I wouldn't buy one, I couldn't afford one just now but in my opinion it looks excellent in certain colours and has all of the real world attributes that make a bike great. It got 5/5 stars on the review and they were hyping it up just as much as the mt-07 that everyone couldn't stop talking about. The other bike that got 5/5 was the new triumph tiger 800 XCx which is also amazing apparently although more expensive than the Yamaha. I think the Triumph can tackle some proper off road if needed though where the MT-09 tracer to me looks like a tall road going bike only. They actually mention the FZS 600 later in the mag when talking about the price of Tracers.
Thanks yama ill have to buy Bike then, ive got an MCN wich has a reiew of the versys in it but im saving it for the weekend when my wife goes into the hospital so that i have some good readables.
MT07 still features highly.....but they do look a bit small and are less of an all rounder.
Tracer......well we at least know what type of bikes we can maybe get in a few years time eh mate, once they've come down in price a bit.....i look forward to seeing some tricked up examples.......only thing im not a fan of is the generic front fairing.
The versys look a bit bland too, i dont like that they've now gone and stuck one of the generic front fairings on it too......ok the old one was fugly but it was unique.... dont get me wrong i would love something more bling with a trick factory paint scheme and lots of shiney stuff....mr frosties Brutale or one of those MT09's with the fancy paint and race blocks. But back in the real world i just need a bike that ill enjoy riding and is cheap.
P.s....i would need a Leo Vince exhaust though :b
http://youtu.be/v7SupxZD5Lg (http://youtu.be/v7SupxZD5Lg)
Post by: pilgo on 02 January 2015, 06:55:54 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 02 January 2015, 07:25:47 pm
Noggy,your silence over my offer of my Fazer ,does that mean your thinking about it seriously ?!! :lol
I must do everything within my power to stop you getting a tracer :lol
Post by: pilgo on 02 January 2015, 08:32:01 pm
Noggy,your silence over my offer of my Fazer ,does that mean your thinking about it seriously ?!! :lol
I must do everything within my power to stop you getting a tracer :lol
best you fix me up with that stunning barmaid in Aberystwyth (?) then ! :evil :b ;)
Post by: The Rocketeer on 03 January 2015, 12:31:03 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 03 January 2015, 12:50:07 pm
Bigger is better - Rocket 3
I sense much bias in this post :lol
Post by: unfazed on 03 January 2015, 07:29:50 pm
Post by: kitcrazy on 04 January 2015, 04:49:29 pm
Post by: The Rocketeer on 05 January 2015, 04:30:36 pm
Post by: caretaker on 05 January 2015, 08:36:12 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 05 January 2015, 11:51:35 pm
if you fancy a pootle on my versys one day, let me know mate.
I actually thought you had the V strom, i must apologise, is it the 650 you have then?, that's very kind of you to offer i must say......id be tempted but i tend not to like borrowing other folks stuff, certainly not their pride and joys........but maybe youd be tempted with a shot of the FZ in exchange?.
I actually remember when you changed over...i couldnt remember what bike it was but i do remember thinking oh he wont like that after a fazer 600.....far to adventure orientated......but i knew foc all about the Versys at the time and it looks adventure whilst in reality is all road......but good at it so it seems.
Post by: noggythenog on 06 January 2015, 04:27:43 pm
Post by: caretaker on 06 January 2015, 04:35:43 pm
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Post by: ChristoT on 06 January 2015, 06:18:58 pm
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Post by: Exupnut on 06 January 2015, 06:23:17 pm