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Flu and Covid vaccines are very different beasts. Flu vaccines are based on a live part of the real virus all be it very small part, Covid isn't completely different, no live virus, reactions should and thus far are proving to be very mild or nothing. There's always going to be someone who reacts to something, food e.g. nuts, chemical etc etc, nowadays there's people who're elegiac to fresh air! It's all being completely over played
The standard flu jabs given by needle are deactivated.
Quote from: darrsi on 11 January 2021, 06:53:30 pmThe standard flu jabs given by needle are deactivated.No, they're live just not, the complete strand, but parts of real virus as are most types of vaccine.
Moron - Mark Easton of the BBC last nights press conference. A member of the public asked "why when this wave is worse than the last why is the lockdown less strict". Then when it was Mark Easton's turn he asked the same Focing question What a waste of time - didn't he have a back up question ready incase of that happening.
The ones that wind me up are the ministers who when asked if the number has gone up or down since yesterday (or any other feccin question) spend 5 minutes blustering on about why the government has done a great job or the fact the numbers today are not comparable with the numbers during the Spanish flu or some other bollix ratehr than a straight forward one/two word answer to the question.
Quote from: fazersharp on 13 January 2021, 05:14:55 pmMoron - Mark Easton of the BBC last nights press conference. A member of the public asked "why when this wave is worse than the last why is the lockdown less strict". Then when it was Mark Easton's turn he asked the same Focing question What a waste of time - didn't he have a back up question ready incase of that happening. We have seen that all the way through the pandemic. The minister (or whoever) spends 10 minutes giving details of why x is happening and then a reporter that just wants their 5 mins of fame to justify their wages asks the question again.The ones that wind me up are the ministers who when asked if the number has gone up or down since yesterday (or any other feccin question) spend 5 minutes blustering on about why the government has done a great job or the fact the numbers today are not comparable with the numbers during the Spanish flu or some other bollix ratehr than a straight forward one/two word answer to the question.
I guess I will end up the Viagra based one then being allergic to mould penicillin
Every step taken is a reaction, the nation needs to be proactive to get this shit under control. Declare a State of Emergency, have all of the armed forces/police etc co-ordinated in a response to control the spread, curfews, close all foreign travel, make it illegal to be in a shop without a mask on, water cannon for those that congregate to protest their loss rights/anti maskers etc, then let them overwinter in a camp somewhere. Or we'll be in the shite for many more months yet, likely even longer
Quote from: agricola on 15 January 2021, 05:27:00 pmEvery step taken is a reaction, the nation needs to be proactive to get this shit under control. Declare a State of Emergency, have all of the armed forces/police etc co-ordinated in a response to control the spread, curfews, close all foreign travel, make it illegal to be in a shop without a mask on, water cannon for those that congregate to protest their loss rights/anti maskers etc, then let them overwinter in a camp somewhere. Or we'll be in the shite for many more months yet, likely even longerLet me guess -- you are retired.
Interesting. Someone close to me went for their vax today and was unable to have it because in the past they have had a reaction to something. This was the pzifer biontec one but they were made an appointment on the spot for tomorrow for the astrozenaca Oxford Uni one.They were told that if you have ever had any reaction to anything known or unknown then they will not give you the pzifer one.
Quote from: fazersharp on 15 January 2021, 01:20:35 pmInteresting. Someone close to me went for their vax today and was unable to have it because in the past they have had a reaction to something. This was the pzifer biontec one but they were made an appointment on the spot for tomorrow for the astrozenaca Oxford Uni one.They were told that if you have ever had any reaction to anything known or unknown then they will not give you the pzifer one.Bit more info? Reaction to what, with what, in the past?
The issue was a reaction to a commonly used drug in hospital and happened over 25 years ago and never since.The turned up for the oxford one and was asked the same questions and upon telling them a doctor was called who said the place giving the pfzier one maybe were just being a little over cautious but was advised to wait 15 mins after the jab. The persons workmates are having the jab and 60% of them have been off work with illness after receiving the jab. It was thought these people perhaps were swinging the lead for some time off. After receiving the jab they were told you WILL need ibrufen and paracetamol but were totally fine - until 16 hours later - high fever, muscle and joint pain like never experienced before even with flu. So bad infact that they thought they actually had covid and went for a test - came back negative.Consequently they have been off work for 7 days. The other work mates suffering have had symptoms including projectile vomit, rash, collapsing after returning to work.They use a sickness form that already has covid listed as a sickness that will not go against their sickness record and now sickness after the jab has also been added to the list. Also the workplace has stepped in to stop too many having the jab at the same time because they are struggling with staffing. These workmates are all under 60 years old.I have some elderly relatives who have recently received the jab and were totally fine. If you have had covid in the last 90 days they do not give it to you. They have been told this is because you are more likely to have a reaction to the jab.They are thinking that perhaps the reason the 60% of workmates are suffering after effects is because they have actually had covid asymptomaticly in the past. And the person in question is convinced that they had covid back in February as they had a long illness with all the covid symptoms. What gets me is where is all of this in the news, all you hear and are shown is happy smiling OAP's
Quote from: fazersharp on 24 January 2021, 07:10:42 pmThe issue was a reaction to a commonly used drug in hospital and happened over 25 years ago and never since.The turned up for the oxford one and was asked the same questions and upon telling them a doctor was called who said the place giving the pfzier one maybe were just being a little over cautious but was advised to wait 15 mins after the jab. The persons workmates are having the jab and 60% of them have been off work with illness after receiving the jab. It was thought these people perhaps were swinging the lead for some time off. After receiving the jab they were told you WILL need ibrufen and paracetamol but were totally fine - until 16 hours later - high fever, muscle and joint pain like never experienced before even with flu. So bad infact that they thought they actually had covid and went for a test - came back negative.Consequently they have been off work for 7 days. The other work mates suffering have had symptoms including projectile vomit, rash, collapsing after returning to work.They use a sickness form that already has covid listed as a sickness that will not go against their sickness record and now sickness after the jab has also been added to the list. Also the workplace has stepped in to stop too many having the jab at the same time because they are struggling with staffing. These workmates are all under 60 years old.I have some elderly relatives who have recently received the jab and were totally fine. If you have had covid in the last 90 days they do not give it to you. They have been told this is because you are more likely to have a reaction to the jab.They are thinking that perhaps the reason the 60% of workmates are suffering after effects is because they have actually had covid asymptomaticly in the past. And the person in question is convinced that they had covid back in February as they had a long illness with all the covid symptoms. What gets me is where is all of this in the news, all you hear and are shown is happy smiling OAP's I don't get that? If you've had the virus then you "should" have antibodies to create a resistance to any future attack. And although not a live virus the jab will simulate similar effects.From what you're saying my guess would be that their immune system is overreacting, which can be just as harmful as not reacting at all.
Out of interest, what type of work do these under 60’s do.