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General => General => Topic started by: esetest on 04 January 2016, 08:21:56 pm
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I received a parking charge notice for £100 when i got home claiming that i parked overnight at the Hengrove imperial park on the 23rd dec 2015 , this is horse shit as i picked my daughter up from her cleaning job in town at approx 20.30 on 23/12/15 , they claim i entered the car park at 17.02 on the 23/12/15 which i did to buy some plastic sheeting from B&Q and that i left at 11.51 on the 24/12/15 which i did to get my wife a surprise present from Boots , but i didn't stay overnight , either there camera system is flawed or it is a deliberate scam , has anyone else had a similar problem .
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Yes my daughter had one on a retail carpark when she went to halfords once saying she stayed for 5 hours instead of the 2 allowed. It is camera operated and she went to halfords for 15 mins and left but then went back some 4 hours later for another 15 mins. The camera CONveniently did not see her leave the fist time - or see her arrive the second time.
I took me a whole world of crap to get it cancelled, I took it up with the halfords manager who at first batted me off to the car con park people but in the end he could do without my shit and so dealt with it my telling the carpark scum that it was a staff car.
As evidence of leaving we had phone text conversations saying things like "we are outside to post office" proving she was not there for 5 hours.
Since then I have refused to go to the same carpark twice in the same day if it has Scameras
These carpark companies are the new cowboy clampers, who look all professional whilst operating out of the back of some pub somewhere
I came across this when looking into it http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals)
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http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets)
Have a look at the above guide, I found the info useful even though I didn't use ut in the end. I thought the £40 my daughter had to pay was a useful lesson to her as they had her bang to rights!
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Ooh sorry, duplicate link, was typing for a long time while watching telly!
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Ooh sorry, duplicate link, was typing for a long time while watching telly!
No I added it later --- at the same time you posted
Proves a point though of the best place for advive
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esetest did they send you a picture of your car with the info
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Yes my daughter had one on a retail carpark when she went to halfords once saying she stayed for 5 hours instead of the 2 allowed. It is camera operated and she went to halfords for 15 mins and left but then went back some 4 hours later for another 15 mins. The camera CONveniently did not see her leave the fist time - or see her arrive the second time.
I took me a whole world of crap to get it cancelled, I took it up with the halfords manager who at first batted me off to the car con park people but in the end he could do without my shit and so dealt with it my telling the carpark scum that it was a staff car.
As evidence of leaving we had phone text conversations saying things like "we are outside to post office" proving she was not there for 5 hours.
Since then I have refused to go to the same carpark twice in the same day if it has Scameras
These carpark companies are the new cowboy clampers, who look all professional whilst operating out of the back of some pub somewhere
I came across this when looking into it [url]http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals[/url] ([url]http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/parking-ticket-appeals[/url])
Thanks for the info, something to read tomorrow before I write an appeal letter .
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Correct. they have to send pics of it entering and leaving. Another point to note is you don't need to pay. I know that in Scotland if you get a fine from these parking companies that businesses hire to stop football traffic etc.. using there car parks (morrisons etc..). They will send you a threatening letter with pics of car entering and leaving the car park and a £70 fine which they claim must be paid within 2 weeks. If it isn't paid they then threaten that the fine will be doubled. 90% of people just pay it, but i didn't and after repeated threats they eventually gave up. The parking fine companies know most people pay, so they aren't going to take you to a small claims court because it will cost too much money for them to get there £70 ;)
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esetest did they send you a picture of your car with the info
Yes , they sent me a picture of my car entering and leaving but not parked overnight , the only proof I have is that I know I didn't park overnight , and my wife and daughters can confirm that , I will ask my neighbours if they are prepared to vouch that my car was parked on my drive overnight as well .
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Still on the Brightside , I will walk the 1/2 mile each way instead of driving , it will make me fitter and I won't spend as much .
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did you buy anything at another shop that you have a receipt for - maybe that will help, proving you was not there
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As mustard's link shows, it's the private parking ticket guide you need to follow http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets)
As the guide points out, legally these are not 'fines', they are 'invoices' for breach of contract. They will have to prove you have breached the contract you entered into (by using their car park under the terms indicated by the signs). Their photo evidence of you arriving and leaving at the times they say, is not proof, given your explanation of two visits. You should ask them to provide photo evidence of all of the arrivals and departures between those two times, showing your car. Alternatively, as others have suggested any other evidence the car was elsewhere will do it.
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did you buy anything at another shop that you have a receipt for - maybe that will help, proving you was not there
Unfortunately no , I did pick my daughter up from her work later that same night , but no other receipts .
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Get your camera out, reset the date on it and make sure you 'datestamp' (probably wrong name) but not geostamp, then take your car somewhere at approx time your meant to be at the carpark, get somewhere like asda or something in the background of you posing near your car, then email them the picture and tell them that your not paying it as you have proof you weren't at their car park, sorted :thumbup
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my lad had something similar but not exactly the same :rolleyes
parked in asda to do a job in a bank :lol not that type of job ;)
and the scamera said he'd overstayed his welcome by a few hours and you now owe us X amount
I rang asda and explained he was stuck in a bank and security wise, he couldn't just nip out and nip back in, no probs they said.... give us the car reg and we'll say he was working in asda..............job sorted but it took a bit of running around but time well spent
foc the knobs off and don't pay a penny
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341645/The-18-year-old-student-saved-British-drivers-2MILLION-just-four-months-Teenager-sets-free-appeals-website-bedroom-overturned-30-000-parking-fines-already.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3341645/The-18-year-old-student-saved-British-drivers-2MILLION-just-four-months-Teenager-sets-free-appeals-website-bedroom-overturned-30-000-parking-fines-already.html)
http://www.donotpay.co.uk/signup.php (http://www.donotpay.co.uk/signup.php)
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Get over to consumeractiongroup forum - you do not have to pay this - even if you were there all night (which you weren't) as there is a burden of proof that you have caused the owner of the land hardship [which is rarely provable].
That whole site is a cynical PFI con with little regard to the fact people using it are ill.
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Thanks for all the replies , this site is a great place to get helpful information and to let off steam , i will be appealing the fine , using the info provided by Foccer font of knowledge , and even if they reject my appeal , i still won't pay , it's not the amount , which is reduced to £60 if you pay quickly which luckily i can afford to pay , its the fact i wasn't parked there overnight. All those people who say if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear , well i did nothing wrong .
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The letter i got also offered a reduced fee if i paid quickly. It also stated if i didnt pay it within a certain period it would double. It's a con, as they think if they offer you a deal you will just pay it instead of the worry of having to pay double. Don't pay it!
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I would send them an invoice for your administration costs at almost solicitor hourly rates giving them 30 days to pay.
Non payment will result in taking them to a small claims court, citing the inconvenience, injustice and stress this has caused due to them unlawfully trying to Con you out of money. All the correspondencell and research takes time and time is money.
Turn the tables on them and give them a taste of their own medicine
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Have you actually phoned them yet and got a taste of their attitude?
You never know they may even accept your explanation, or they may be total cnuts!!!!!!
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I used the companies online appeal from today , and then after I filled out the form the small print says unless you are adding additional info , you have to appeal in writing . I have written the letter this morning using the template from the money saving site , I will be including an invoice for my time and the cost of special delivery postage and a witness statement signed by wife , daughters and neighbours confirming that the vehicle was parked on the drive . Hopefully that will be the end of it .
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Even if you have whatever proof you think is rock solid I think the car park scammers always reject any appeal. But that then gives the the green light to go to the ombudsman who should be able to sort it.
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Family and friends do not count as witnesses unfortunately.
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i definately remember him dropping off a bottle of malt at my place at 2330
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ma in law got a ticket at the ozzy yesterday for parking outside of the bay, I've been sent the photo by my brother in-law via whats app but I don't know how to download the pic to a pooter to show you.
the car in the next bay has clearly gone over the line into mums bay (and not got a ticket!!), not a lot but enough for her to edge over slightly to allow the passenger to get out of her car...her right front tyre only is approximately an inch ON the line I shit you not
she is elderly, disabled and has a blue badge on display and her daughter is lying in bed with a stroke........further stress she don't need. I'm fuming for her and saw some security guards last night who said it should be dropped........I've told her not to pay anything and we'll go to court coz the judge will fucking destroy the prick that has issued this one
I'm going to see the ozzy tomorrow and want it scrapping plus an apology and the warden bollocked........if anyone knows how to get whats app pics downloaded then let me know please
and if they don't drop it, my letters at solicitors rates will all be logged ;) ;)
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As said earlier, this is not a fine it's an invoice for 'breach of contract'. They have to prove you have stayed beyond the allotted time. Their terms for 'appealing' are invalid. You are doing enough by telling them the facts in whatever way you wish.
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ma in law got a ticket at the ozzy yesterday for parking outside of the bay, I've been sent the photo by my brother in-law via whats app but I don't know how to download the pic to a pooter to show you.
the car in the next bay has clearly gone over the line into mums bay (and not got a ticket!!), not a lot but enough for her to edge over slightly to allow the passenger to get out of her car...her right front tyre only is approximately an inch ON the line I shit you not
she is elderly, disabled and has a blue badge on display and her daughter is lying in bed with a stroke........further stress she don't need. I'm fuming for her and saw some security guards last night who said it should be dropped........I've told her not to pay anything and we'll go to court coz the judge will fucking destroy the prick that has issued this one
I'm going to see the ozzy tomorrow and want it scrapping plus an apology and the warden bollocked........if anyone knows how to get whats app pics downloaded then let me know please
and if they don't drop it, my letters at solicitors rates will all be logged ;) ;)
The first thing the hosp will do is try to bat you off saying ooh well its nothing to do with us and the attendent is not our employ you will have to take it up with the car park scammers, who do not give a shit about any "sob" story or blue badge.
ma in law got a ticket at the ozzy yesterday for parking outside of the bay
Was with the missus the other day at a very busy out of town shopping center and there was a bike taking up a whole car space, she commented "he wont be popular" but I then told her about the chance of getting a ticket if he was to park anywhere else
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I have thought about getting a job as one of those attendants at a local out of town shopping center and going around and letting everyone off. I wonder how long I would be in my job after no "fines" were coming from my shift.
As well as parking out of a bay there is one near me that even have sighns saying you cannot park on the piss IN one
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Family and friends do not count as witnesses unfortunately.
I'm not friends with my neighbours .
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I have thought about getting a job as one of those attendants at a local out of town shopping center and going around and letting everyone off. I wonder how long I would be in my job after no "fines" were coming from my shift.
As well as parking out of a bay there is one near me that even have sighns saying you cannot park on the piss IN one
It's probably 100% commision to encourage a less savoury approach to attandance and to discourage any dissidents like you....
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Maddog, unfortunately, my Mrs was a yellow banded bitch for a while and the problem your mother in law has is her problem. in other words, just because the car next to her had gone over the line does not allow her to. If she couldn't fit in the space that was left, she should find another space.
Parking laws are an arse in some places. Supermarkets are not legal (Council or police issued) tickets so are just an invoice.
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Family and friends do not count as witnesses unfortunately.
I'm not friends with my neighbours .
U orrible person lol......still doesn't matter ..they will assume you are whatever u say.
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my Mrs was a yellow banded bitch for a while
My Mrs used to be one, once a month :rolleyes
Then came menopause and its all the time now :lol
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:rollin
Locksmith, you are confusing traffic wardens (yellow banded bastards/bitches) with the red stripped witches. :pokefun
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I'm in so much trouble WHEN she reads that !!!!!!
There. Fixed that for you. :pokefun
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went the ozzy earlier and asked for a manager who could overturn a parking ticket, was directed to security......yeah....the same fucking security who issue the tickets :evil and guess what........he didn't want to know and directed me around the corner to customer complaints who went mad at security for passing car parking shit onto them as they're there for patients/relatives complaints about ozzy services
they tried fobbing me off with the old "write in and you'll get it quashed" bollocks. I told them I wouldn't be writing in and before I could even mention see you in court, a lady boss came around the corner to everyone's relief and took it up. I showed her the photo and she said she was on the appeals panel, write in and it will be cancelled. NO says me, sort it now, so off she goes with my phone to show the pic to someone else and returns and says its cancelled......give that woman a ceegarrrr :D
all it takes is people willing to stand up and managers willing to manage and things get sorted, introduce arse'oles and it starts going to rat shit
keep fighting people ;)
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went the ozzy earlier and asked for a manager who could overturn a parking ticket, was directed to security......yeah....the same fucking security who issue the tickets :evil and guess what........he didn't want to know and directed me around the corner to customer complaints who went mad at security for passing car parking shit onto them as they're there for patients/relatives complaints about ozzy services
they tried fobbing me off with the old "write in and you'll get it quashed" bollocks. I told them I wouldn't be writing in and before I could even mention see you in court, a lady boss came around the corner to everyone's relief and took it up. I showed her the photo and she said she was on the appeals panel, write in and it will be cancelled. NO says me, sort it now, so off she goes with my phone to show the pic to someone else and returns and says its cancelled......give that woman a ceegarrrr :D
all it takes is people willing to stand up and managers willing to manage and things get sorted, introduce arse'oles and it starts going to rat shit
keep fighting people ;)
I am glad u got it sorted, especially with what's going on .
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yeah......glad for her ma......she don't need any more sh!t at the moment
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RESULT 1111
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I received a parking charge notice for £100 when i got home claiming that i parked overnight at the Hengrove imperial park on the 23rd dec 2015 , this is horse shit as i picked my daughter up from her cleaning job in town at approx 20.30 on 23/12/15 , they claim i entered the car park at 17.02 on the 23/12/15 which i did to buy some plastic sheeting from B&Q and that i left at 11.51 on the 24/12/15 which i did to get my wife a surprise present from Boots , but i didn't stay overnight , either there camera system is flawed or it is a deliberate scam , has anyone else had a similar problem .
esetest-Isn't that at the same time someone off this forum was at your house to collect something bought off you, so therefore you couldn't possibly have been there overnight as the item they collected off you, at your house, was in your car which was parked outside, as the letter they will write for you will testify?
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In the news here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html)
And here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35253759 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35253759)
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I received a parking charge notice for £100 when i got home claiming that i parked overnight at the Hengrove imperial park on the 23rd dec 2015 , this is horse shit as i picked my daughter up from her cleaning job in town at approx 20.30 on 23/12/15 , they claim i entered the car park at 17.02 on the 23/12/15 which i did to buy some plastic sheeting from B&Q and that i left at 11.51 on the 24/12/15 which i did to get my wife a surprise present from Boots , but i didn't stay overnight , either there camera system is flawed or it is a deliberate scam , has anyone else had a similar problem .
esetest-Isn't that at the same time someone off this forum was at your house to collect something bought off you, so therefore you couldn't possibly have been there overnight as the item they collected off you, at your house, was in your car which was parked outside, as the letter they will write for you will testify?
All witnesses welcome .
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In the news here [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html[/url])
And here
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35253759[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35253759[/url])
Cheers for that , I have sent the letter now , they will either drop it or send another demand for payment , I will email that journalist tonight , would it be worth me making a complaint to the Police .
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They will not drop it, your appeal will be rejected but in a way that is what you want as once an appeal to the scammers has been rejected that then opens the door for you to go to the ombudsman who should judge in your favor.
These schemes are the new cowboy clampers who eventually got themselves kicked out, the gov needs to step in and sort these shisters out
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In December I had to drive myself to A&E in the middle of the night and parked up @ 2am.
as I didn't have any change I couldn't buy a ticket. so I told all the nurses they said not to worry as the parking charges didn't start till 6.
even in my pain I was concerned that I would get a fine, eventually I saw a security guard and called him over & explained the situation. he took my car reg and then rang it through so I wouldn't get a ticket!
I managed to get hold of a mate @ 7am who came down & took my car away for me
:)
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Just found out the company involved are being investigated by fraud squad for altering times and dates .
The company reckon it was rogue employees who have since been dismissed .
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I did pm you on the 12th Jan after seeing it on the news,I did wonder if it might help your cause
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Result! Now start calculating your compensation :)
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I did pm you on the 12th Jan after seeing it on the news,I did wonder if it might help your cause
Thanks for the Pm , I did send an email to the BBC , but not heard anything back , my sister who works for plod and lots of other people , just said to ignore them .
As it was my first parking ticket ,I have gone through the appeal process , but if it becomes a common occurrence then I will ignore them .
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Result! Now start calculating your compensation :)
Remember to calculate the stress factor into the total bill as well :)
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Good news , I had a letter from them informing me that the parking charge had been cancelled , and there is no out standing amount to pay .
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RESULT!!!! Nice one.
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good news mate, happy days
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son has got another ticket whilst doing his job.
just posted this on the consumer action website that was given in a previous post by someone on here
hello, part of my son's job is to visit business's and rectify electrical issues they have. Often in shops or banks he has to park quite close so he can transport his tools. He has received a parking charge notice and I'd like advice please. Please keep things simple......I've looked around the site and other consumer sites (eg moneysupermarket) and its my understanding that when parking on private land, the bottom line is that it is unenforceable in law
please clarify the above
son visits a bank in Warrington and parks up, gets a wrapper on the windscreen with the words "parking notice enclosed"
within the plastic wrapper is the ticket from a firm called "parking ticketing ltd" based in Ducie Street Manchester
reason for ticket: parked on private property in contravention of the site parking restrictions as displayed on the signage or permit........A parking charge of £100 is due within 28 days of the date of issue. A reduced rate of £60 will be accepted if paid within 14 days with failure to pay the full amount within 28 days will result in the charge increasing by a further £50
date of issue:27/1/16
observed time: 12:05
issued time: 12:18
my son emailed them and explained his circumstances (probably have his name now) but they rejected his appeal.
Do we just ignore this demand and bin it?
I await there response and I'll post it on here, peeps on here have already stated they think its unenforceable on private land (the ticket states private property)
If it was me then I'd bin it after the advice given on here previously but coz its my lad, I don't want any comebacks for him.
Any thoughts from the foccer font of knowledge (legal answers not just Chinese whispers, even moneysupermarket seem to be a bit long winded, I would imagine they're either enforceable or total bollox with no ground in the middle.....am I right?
cheers
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Did the car park he was in belong to the business he was visiting?
If so, get them to sort it out. If not, think of it this way. Your neighbour has a new kitchen being installed but the fitters have two vans. Double yellows on the road and only space for one van on their drive, so they park the other on yours without asking you. Would you be happy?
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he's at work so cannot ask him and it could be months before he goes back to ask
as for the analogy, understand your point as I wouldn't be happy but the question is.....are they legally right to give a ticket or is it just a scam to stop people parking up
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They could if they have a mind too take your son to a small claims court , but they are unlikely to do that . Your son could pay the £60 and add £ 10 to the next 6 quotes / jobs , or as previously stated see if the bank can sort it .
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Legally they can pass on an invoice which is what the ticket is. Its not a parking ticket in the same way as the councils and police issue.
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my son cannot add costs to the job, he is an employee who goes an does the work for a Company
an invoice is one thing, a fine is another which when you look at the thread from page one, appears to be unenforceable if not issued by Police/Council
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Its only not enforced if the issuer of the invoice choses not to go to the small claims court. Most , but not all, of the time the issuer cannot be bothered as it costs them more than they will get back.
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Legally they can pass on an invoice which is what the ticket is. Its not a parking ticket in the same way as the councils and police issue.
Indeed. It can only be a 'fine' if the offense is covered by a law or bylaw, which private land is not. It is an invoice for a contract, which you are assumed to have accepted by virtue of seeing signs etc. They would need to take you to court and prove that you had accepted the 'contract' (were the signs clear?) and also that the charges are 'reasonable'.
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after speaking to my lad, it is now clear that its about a pay and display ticket.......he got one but it must have blown off the dash as he closed the door (I thought this was a load of bollox until it happened to me the other week and I actually saw it and corrected it)
they've said he owes £100 for failing to display on private land, here's the email reply to my lad with a few links removed, very scaremongering but bottom line is its private property so do we pay or ignore it?.
below is the reply from the Co. Parking Ticketing Limited, to my son, I don't know what his original email contained and they haven't included it in their reply
Thank you for your letter of appeal against the Parking Charge Notice issued under the terms of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
There are Warning Signs situated on the site that state; Warning, Private Property, vehicles parked in this area must clearly display a valid PTL pay and display ticket in the windscreen. Failure to comply will result in the vehicle being issued with a Parking Charge Notice without any notice given. Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you and the Warden we have decided to reject your appeal for the reason below.
As the vehicle was parked without a valid pay and display ticket in the windscreen, (having checked photographs of when the vehicle was issued with the PCN), you can view the photographic evidence yourself online at www.payptl.co.uk (http://www.payptl.co.uk) ) as clearly stated on the warning signs, the vehicle was issued with a Parking Charge Notice.
We can only advise that when leaving your vehicle that you check to ensure that the ticket is correctly displayed for inspection as the warden must be able to easily see all details, these may include dates, location numbers and security features to ensure it is valid and not a copy.
We appreciate that you purchased the pay and display ticket but the ticket was not visible and therefore the warden could not check and confirm that the vehicle was permitted to park there.
We are sorry but we won’t be accepting your appeal on this occasion as the warden acted accordingly to the signage at the location.
We are not able to take into account mitigating circumstances. That an appellant feels he or she had good reason for breaching the terms of parking is not a reason for which we can allow an appeal. When parking on private land, a motorist freely enters into an agreement to abide by the conditions of parking in return for permission to park. It is the motorist’s responsibility to ensure that he or she abides by any clearly displayed conditions of parking that are clearly displayed on the signs.
The PCN is for Damages & Terrorem (click here for Supreme Court Ruling https: // www. supremecourt. uk/cases/docs/uksc-2013-0280-judgment. pdf ) Therefore falls outside “The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999” and falls also outside Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss.
The responsibility to observe and obey parking restrictions is yours and as we operated correctly in this
instance due to the vehicle being incorrectly parked we will not be accepting your appeal, on this occasion.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure.
Due to above you appeal is refused, you now have the following options:
1 Pay the PCN at the prevailing price of £60 within 14 days of above date. Please note that after this time the discounted rate will no longer apply and the Parking Charge Notice will rise to £100.
2 Make an appeal to POPLA-Independent Appeals Service within 28 days by visiting www .popla .co.uk and completing the appeal form online quoting POPLA appeal reference XXXXXXXXXXXXXX . If you prefer to complete your appeal in writing please contact Parking Ticketing Ltd on 0845 689 45 45 to request the POPLA appeal forms.
3 Please be advised that if you opt for independent arbitration of your case, the ability to pay the parking charge at the reduced rate of £60 will be at an end, the full charge of £100.00 will be payable should your appeal be unsuccessful. If you opt to pay the parking charge you will be unable to appeal to POPLA. Please visit www.ptlappeals.co.uk/refused (http://www.ptlappeals.co.uk/refused) appeals. to view other motorists’ appeals to POPLA against ourselves that were refused for various appeal reasons, meaning the discounted rate of £60 no longer applied and the PCN was at the original full cost of £100.
4 If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures which will lead to costs being added to the original charge of £100 and we may proceed with Court action against you. Please visit www.ptlappeals.co.uk/county-court (http://www.ptlappeals.co.uk/county-court) to view County Court Judgments where we have been successful in obtaining judgment for non-payment of the PCN costing the defendant at least 3 times the original amount of the original £60 PCN. We do not enter into multiple appeals.
Yours sincerely
Appeals Dept.
Pay On-line: www.payptl.co.uk (http://www.payptl.co.uk) Phone Pay: 0844 848 0814
By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services (www.ombudsman-services.org/ (http://www.ombudsman-services.org/)) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service. As such should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA as explained above
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If he actually bought the ticket and still has it then just ignore it. Even if it goes to small claims you can still show the ticket.
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The seeming important "Parking Charge Notice" they mention is just the invoice. This is well worth a read http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets (http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/private-parking-tickets)
Interesting that they accept they he paid for the ticket, but just didn't display it properly. Their 'appeal' process has no legal standing in itself. You might want to check whether they are members of the British Parking Association (BPA) or Independent Parking Committee (IPC). If so that gives you a secondary appeals route.
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yes, it looks like they accepted him at face value but I'm unsure if he still has the ticket. they are a member of BPA or at least appear on the BPA website and they've given a ref no. to appeal further. I may just do this and plead guilty to non display but cite excessive costs as reason of appeal
with all the shit going on with the Mrs I just wanted a quick answer of pay it or ignore it
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As someone has pointed out on another forum, their appeals form http://www.ptlappeals.co.uk/parking-ticket-appeal (http://www.ptlappeals.co.uk/parking-ticket-appeal) is faulty. For the 'Are you the keeper/driver of the vehicle' question it is missing the option 'I am the keeper but was not driving the vehicle' (which would happen if it was used by an employee). Might be grounds for an appeal pointing out an insufficient appeals process ?
Post http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D101687&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjDl5O2tILLAhWFnQ4KHdlGD6YQrAIIPSgAMAQ&usg=AFQjCNExsl3J0INn2xL86cYRoyGKpo0LsA (http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D101687&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjDl5O2tILLAhWFnQ4KHdlGD6YQrAIIPSgAMAQ&usg=AFQjCNExsl3J0INn2xL86cYRoyGKpo0LsA) also suggests they hand over to a debt collection company which doesn't appear to have much teeth.
Depends here whether you want a quick exit (pay) or are in for the long haul (don't pay and ignore until they give up)
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F**k them, they agree you have a ticket, so just ignore them.
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What if someone steals the ticket?
Can it be displayed inside the dashboard?
Does he have a proof of having paid a ticket (some receipt), along with the ticket itself (that can be stolen off the parked vehicle)?
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ticket inside the vehicle not outside, going to be fighting this one
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Just ignore it Maddog. IF (big if) it goes to court, you have the ticket to prove you (well your son) had one. Tell the court that the NAZI inspector obviously was short on his numbers and did not look at the dash properly to see it.
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Also check out the Which website. As stated this is NOT an enfoceable PCN penalty charge notice. Personally I would ignore it completely and ignore the follow up threatening letters.
Wish I could say what I do for a living but am not allowed by my contract.... Some call me hittler and jobs worth......
Sooner the government tightens up on these firms the better. Legislation is there just not enforced enough with rogue firms.
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:agree
:rollin
My Mrs was a yellow banded bitch employed by the plod for many years so know a few of the rules etc.
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I followed a previous link to the Consumer Action Group (CAG) and we've gone to appeal with the Governing body. The advice given was very specific and legal jargon used ......the advisor has fought numerous court cases with these cowboys and won and you wouldn't believe some of the stunts they pull. I appreciate the "just ignore" advice and if it was me I would have but I didn't want my son having to deal with any potential shite from these Muppets while his mum is ill.
I'll post again when we have a result
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Good luck with the appeal , I would have done the same if they would have rejected my letter .