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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: robbo on 16 January 2020, 09:19:35 pm
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Wheels are away at the powder coaters, and will be ordering the replacement bearings from Marksman. As the roller bearing is described as sealed, I am presuming an oe type seal is not required. With regard to installation, would leaving it in the freezer for an hour be sufficient to locate it, or should I be prepared to make a press with some studding and washers to persuade it to fit. Thanks in advance for any advice and suggestions
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I seem to recall I froze the new bearing and used the old bearing as a drift to drive it in to place.
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i have done this a few times i have a press now so its very easy , but before i did the above froze the bearing and heated the wheel up
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I was thinking of making a press by getting a disc of metal cut to the outside diameter of the bearing. Drilling a hole in the centre and using a length of studding a couple of nuts and a length of bar to go across the opposite side of the hub. Got a few days to think about it whilst the powder coater performs his magic. Thanks for the suggestions.
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I was thinking of making a press by getting a disc of metal cut to the outside diameter of the bearing. Drilling a hole in the centre and using a length of studding a couple of nuts and a length of bar to go across the opposite side of the hub. Got a few days to think about it whilst the powder coater performs his magic. Thanks for the suggestions.
Cant you use a socket on the OD instead of have a disc made?
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I got a Chinese bearing kit ofn ebay for peanuts, so far has done evertything from me bike to the transit, very simple and basic looking but so worth it mate
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Hi ogri, The kit you suggested, is this the one with a set of various sized discs with a lip on them, and 2 or 3 handles that fit to the discs. That's the type I was thinking of, even if just to use the large 42mm diameter disc and some studding. The roller cage seems quite delicate so want to press it in rather than tap it in. The cage lip broke very easily when I removed the old bearing. Thanks for the suggestion :thumbup
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sounds like it...im out in the garage in a bit mate, i'll take a photo, put it up later tonight. feels so much better winding the buggers in than knocking them with a socket or summat, and you aint gotta worry about damaging the dust seal on a normal bearing or the this cage of the needle roller bearing. studding/long threaded bar is cheap enough ..got mine from travis perkins, means you can do swingarm bearings too
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You'd be suprised how little a local garage will charge to press these in,the last time I had them done one of the mechanics did it in his dinner hour for a drink,I gave him £15 but he'd only take a tenner,worth a try 'cause those presses are so easy to do the job. :thumbup
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true enough coffee. I guess you gotta weigh up how much use youll get out of what you spend, and see if its worth it. the big bearing set, plus blind bearing pullers and a length of threaded bar cost me sixty quid all in, and between them you can cobble summat up for anything
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Have ordered as set similar to the discs in the red box pic. It only contains 14 various sized discs and the necessary handles, but only cost a tenner though. It would have cost me more than that to have a 42mm disc cut at a local fabricators. Thanks for posting the pics ogri. :thumbup
I get what you're saying coffee, but in my neck of the woods helpful little garages just don't exist anymore. I got my fingers, well wallet actually, burnt a few years back when a local engineering works charged me 35 quid to tap a thread in the ends of my Renthals. Turns out workshop time is 70 quid an hour, minimum charge half an hour. Could have bought a tap and done it myself and saved some cash.
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nicely done robbo. once youve got the basics you can cobble summat up for most jobs. the blind bearing puller set wasn't quite such a bargain but its all a hell of a lot cheaper than stuff like this used to be, and quality is pretty bloody good, its certainly sturdy which is all you need. If you need to borrow the blind bearing puller to do em all ill post it out mate, you can send it back when youve done. its satisfying doing it yourself Anyhoo.
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Thanks for the offer ogri, much appreciated :thumbup .The bearings are out and the wheels away at the powder coaters now. Getting the roller bearing out was'nt pretty, and I had to resort to using the Dremel. Not my usual style :lol but needs must. Years ago my local branch of the Triumph Owners had a tool loan arrangement, so between the group we had access all the necessary extractors and specialist tools to cover any job on a loan and return basis.
Thanks again for the offer :thumbup
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:) :)
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Have ordered as set similar to the discs in the red box pic. It only contains 14 various sized discs and the necessary handles, but only cost a tenner though. It would have cost me more than that to have a 42mm disc cut at a local fabricators. Thanks for posting the pics ogri. :thumbup
I get what you're saying coffee, but in my neck of the woods helpful little garages just don't exist anymore. I got my fingers, well wallet actually, burnt a few years back when a local engineering works charged me 35 quid to tap a thread in the ends of my Renthals. Turns out workshop time is 70 quid an hour, minimum charge half an hour. Could have bought a tap and done it myself and saved some cash.
'kin hell,honestly there are at least 3 on one industrial estate by us who would do a press job as a favour outside work hrs but if your talking about dealers garages you've got no chance,I went into one to blow up a tyre once,I only wanted to borrow their air line you'd have thought I'd asked for the use of a ramp!! fuckin' wankers . :\
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lol I had a throttle cable on the Harley break in Norwich city centre, so rode it on a raised tickover to the massive lind Harley Davidson shop only to be told 'ooh no we dont do spares, only accessories...cant even get one in for a old bike like that. Would you like a new bike? we have some really attractive pcp deals...' :lol
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Arrived today, £10.99. If I use it once and have to throw it away, which I don't think I'll have to, I'd be happy. Just need the phonecall from the powder coater guy to say the wheels are ready, and for the bearings to arrive. Then I should be cookin'. Thanks again all for your hints, tips and suggestions, much appreciated as always :thumbup .
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Where are you getting your wheels powder coated and what colour?
Took mine to a local powder coaters last week and wasn't impressed with the results. Have now taken them to Triple S in Bingley, who specialise in bike stuff, but now having to pay extra to have the first coating chemically removed. I suppose that's what happens when you try to do things on the cheap - end up paying twice as much. Lesson learned for me (probably).
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Gloss black at a local firm. They are not a dedicated bike part company, but established in 1947 and have done small parts for me in the past which I've been happy with. I've seen car wheels that they've done which looked ok, but I should find out by the end of the week. I do get what you're saying though, buy cheap, buy twice. Can only keep my fingers crossed. :)
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Arrived today, £10.99. If I use it once and have to throw it away, which I don't think I'll have to, I'd be happy. Just need the phonecall from the powder coater guy to say the wheels are ready, and for the bearings to arrive. Then I should be cookin'. Thanks again all for your hints, tips and suggestions, much appreciated as always :thumbup .
jesus what a bargain huh! ive paid more for spark plugs :) :thumbup
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Gloss black at a local firm. They are not a dedicated bike part company, but established in 1947 and have done small parts for me in the past which I've been happy with. I've seen car wheels that they've done which looked ok, but I should find out by the end of the week. I do get what you're saying though, buy cheap, buy twice. Can only keep my fingers crossed. :)
I went for satin black - the gloss black just looked a bit too shiny.
The local firm I used were well established and do a lot of industrial stuff and car stuff (wheels, racing car chasis etc). They have also done bike wheels before, but not many. They didn't get the masking right at all - missed bits that should have been coated (outside face of the bearing holes) and coated stuff that shouldn't (disc/sprocket mounting faces), even though I gave them clear instructions. Also looked like they hadn't cleaned them off properly after blasting - particularly on the inside of the rim where the tyre bead sits. Only paid £100, but cost me an extra £60 to get them stripped by Triple S, so a £160 mistake in total.
Hope you have a better experience than me - let us know when you get them back.
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I know how you feel. At times you wish you could do everything yourself when so called professionals let you down. The firm I'm using have done bike wheels before as my mechanic mate has used them for his own bike. I'm paying 100+vat, so £120. It's a pity you can't mask them yourself, which obviously, you can't.
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im doing me own...I aint got the means to do powdercoating but auto paint suppliers will pre mix two pack in a rattle can...you obviously got to be prepped and ready to straight away coz its curing from the moment its mixed. The good thing with wheels is you know exactly whats got to be painted so you can mask up yourself, then put the whhels on a round bar to act like a long spindle between two trestles then spin the buggers as you spray, getting a nice even coat. last tim I didn't even bother to take the tyres off, just popped them back off the bead and masked in between the rubber and the wheel. its not as good as powdercoating, but im totally had it with people you pay good money for a good job then they dont do it. What finished it for me was having a pair powdercoated green for my zx9rb1, then because they hadnt done whatecer they should have done to prep for powdercoating, the paint 'shelled' when I was changing tyres, despite having plastic bead protectors between te levers and the rim. if you paint it yourself in two pack (or even cellulose) its easy enogh to repair the odd patch if you need to. just all imho obviously, and im a brickie so what the foc do I know … :) :)
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Yep, I agree with all of that. I would have sprayed them myself thus saving the bearing grief and tyre removal, but I don't have anywhere warm enough to spray in, and I wanted the work done in time for April when the Fazer goes back on the road. A guy that I would have trusted to spray them has mysteriously gone under the radar for whatever reason, so powder coating was for me the only option. I must admit I'm dreading taking them for the tyres to be fitted. :eek
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Wheels back from powder coaters. Reasonably happy with the result for the price paid. The masking was a bit hit and miss but nothing the Dremel and a Stanley blade couldn't sort out. I can see that it's difficult to keep the masking in place to cover the vertical lip that locates the disc. I've an idea that dedicated bike powder places have plugs that push into the threaded hole, and have a shoulder moulded on them which masks the area around the hole and the lip.
I've ordered tyres from Oponeo, never used them before, sticking with the Roadtec 01's. All being well the bike should be back on its wheels by the end of the week.
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good progress there ROBBO :thumbup .......looks good and the gloss finish should make the wheels easier to clean......
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Thanks Mr Red. Easy cleaning will hopefully be the main advantage, coupled with a shinier look to the wheels which is just a personal preference. :thumbup
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they look stunning robbo, brilliant colour and finish mate, should look mustard on the bike :)
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Thanks Mr.Ogri. I must admit I'll be bricking it when the tyres are fitted after reading your account of "shelling", which is something I'd never considered. I'll keep you posted :lol .
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that was probably as much my fault in truth mate, what with my builders 'fingers like pigs tits' as my mate Graeme likes to tell me :lol ;)
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that was probably as much my fault in truth mate, what with my builders 'fingers like pigs tits' as my mate Graeme likes to tell me :lol ;)
:rollin :rollin
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good thread this :) ....
been replacing a rear wheel bearing in my 2002 ford fusion,drum brake on the rear same as a fiesta, i always use the same method,brake drum in the oven at max for 30 mins and the bearing in the freezer overnight,bearing on these drums are 45/50mm deep and would be a struggle if you didn`t have a press,i dont have one so up early this morning as i need the cage for work tomorrow ,i put the bearing in the freezer early evening yesterday and the drum went in the oven this morning on max for 30mins,got everything ready in the garage for a swift install ,old bearing outer to use as a drift and a massive chair makers sash cramp with jaws deep enough to take the drum.......armed with some thick gloves,bearing out of the freezer,drum out of the oven and out to the garage,laid the drum on the bench and offered up the bearing making sure its square before i press it in with the cramp.......lined it up and let it go and it fell to the bottom of the drum :D :D :D :D had some funny looks from the neighbours as i danced around the garden :lol
seen this on you tube a lot but this is the first time ive been able to do it thinking there must be something iam missing,i always end up winding it in with the cramp.....
great buy with the bearing tool ROBBO :thumbup ....added to my must have list....wheels a bit big to get in the oven and the heat might affect your power coating but i strongly recommend and overnight stay for the bearing in the freezer :thumbup ...hope it goes well...
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yup a good thread mate, I do love learning stuff :)
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yep :thumbup ....it will be a sad day when you stop learning......
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Well done Mr.Red, love it when a plan comes together :thumbup :thumbup . Saved you some time and effort, especially after the battle you had stripping the mighty thou.Yep, have a similar plan in mind regarding the freezer. Am keeping the wheels in the house to be at least better than garage temp. then apply heat with a hair dryer. I won't put the roller bearing in the freezer for too long as might make it's inbuilt rubber seals too brittle and may damage them. To make sure I've got an accurately fitting drift for the ball bearings , I just cut across the old outer bearing face with an angle grinder, so you end up with a broken circle. If the new bearing is to be fitted in a recessed housing it won't matter if the "drift" follows it in as it can easily be dug out as it's not a tight fit due to not being a continuous circle.
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good point about the rubber seal in the bearing ;) .....perhaps i had better start getting all technical and start to monitor the temps for the perfect fitting temps...........beautiful sound when that bearing dropped in :D :D :D :D :D .....still making me smile now :lol
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Got my wheels back from Triple S. So much better than the previous cowboys. Apparently when the previous powder coat was removed the original wheel paint was still on the wheels so they hadn’t even been blasted before they were coated. That probably explains why it was such a poor finish.
The finish from Triple S is flawless and the masking absolutely spot-on, nothing for me to do except put them back together. Have invested in a new set of Brembo Serie Oro discs and titanium disc bolts.
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Nice :thumbup . Glad you're happy with the result after the drama you'd had. Wow, new discs and bolts too, nice one. My budget is a tad smaller :lol , so originals going back on, but have read several accounts of 100,000 miles plus on original discs providing genuine pads are used, which I do. Have you got a method in mind for replacing the roller bearing?.
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To be fair, my existing discs are absolutely fine for wear. I always use Yamaha pads as well. Just the bolts and inner mounting section are getting a bit scabby so decided to leave them on my existing wheels and treat the new wheels to some nice shiny new discs and bolts. I've heard good reports about the Brembo discs being a good upgrade.
Like you, I'm just planning to use a bit of threaded bar to install the needle roller bearing. I already have a set of bush and bearing drifts I can use with the threaded bar.
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Fitting the needle roller bearing didn't go well :'( . The length of studding plan failed. I'd left the bearing overnight in the freezer, which I was not totally happy about, but half expected it to drop in after heating the hub. Can't be sure how much stress I put on it trying to press it in, so have ordered a replacement to be on the safeside.
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It gets worse. Whilst waiting for a replacement needle roller, I thought I might as well fit the roller in the disc side seeing as it was in the freezer. That turned out to be the wrong size, having been sent a sprocket carrier bearing in error.(a 62 28 rather than a 60 28). Managed to catch Mark before he shut, so a replacement should be in the post. Received the needle bearing today, just got to organise a press as can't face the risk of it going bandy again.
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What went wrong exactly?
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What went wrong exactly?
I I was using a proper sized mandrel to support the needle bearing, a length of studding through the mandrel, and a length of bar across the disc side. Instead of it going to plan as I tightened up the nut on one end of the studding, unbeknown to me as I was concentrating on the progress of the bearing, all I succeeded in doing was bending the bar which caused the bearing to start to go in crabbed. I think I need a mandrel to locate in the disc side to ensure a perfectly straight pull when the studding is tightened. Quite possibly the bearing is ok, but being a bit "precious" about getting things correct, I've bought another bearing. Not cheap at £11 a pop, but when it is eventually installed, I 'll have peace of mind that all is ok.
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At last, replacement needle roller is in. Still a struggle after leaving in the freezer overnight and heating the housing. Never having fitted this type of bearing in a rear wheel before, I was surprised how much spanner effort was required on the studding nut, to wind it in. Roller is in the otherside, so just the spacer tube and disc to go back on, then back to the tyre shop for balancing. Phew :)
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Nothing’s gone easy on this project. The tyre shop gave me my wheels with a ton of weights on them. I discovered then that the dots on the tyres hadn’t been lined up with the valve, and to cap it all, their dynamic balancer machine was faulty. Got my money back for the balancing ,but then got stiffed 20 quid for balancing at another tyre place because I hadn’t bought the tyres from them. Front wheel’s back in the bike and one caliper’s been overhauled. All should be finished tomorrow.
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jesus mate, thats unlucky. I change me own tyres, and balance em with a cradle thingy and spindles I got off the internet, and a box of weights I got from a motor factors. not for any other reason than tyre places invariably foc up. I have to google which colour dot is away from the valve or against it every time coz I forget, a lot of tyre places just disregard it. getting em off used to be the worst, but now I run a stanley knife around the middle (it cuts between the steel plies) and they come off easy in two pieces. me old vice breaks the bead, but its right on ots limit, im guessing a 200 or even a 190 wouldn't fit in. re balancing, I never bother with the rear, I doubt at my old age I can feel the difference between a balanced or unbalanced rear. front is crucial thou, obviously. good luck with the rest of it robbo, it'll all be worth it once spring gets here mate :)
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Yep agree Mr.Ogri, the rear is no doubt a waste of time, but I suppose it's become a habit that I can't break. Was eyeing up an Abba wheel bancing rig at the Excel show, but taking my age into account, I just won't get enough use out of one. I'll have to make sure my tools are gone before me, as my kids will just skip the lot :eek :eek :lol .
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At last. Bike's back on its wheels. Calipers overhauled and fresh pads in the rear. Started on the button, so just the exup to overhaul tomorrow and an oil and filter change when they arrive. Thanks for all the advice and suggestions, much appreciated as always :thumbup .
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lookin all ship shape and shiny mate!
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Looking good, nice colour Fazer.
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At last. Bike's back on its wheels. Calipers overhauled and fresh pads in the rear. Started on the button, so just the exup to overhaul tomorrow and an oil and filter change when they arrive. Thanks for all the advice and suggestions, much appreciated as always :thumbup .
Lovely :thumbup
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Got mine sorted too. Bearings in, new disks and tyres fitted ready to go on the bike. Happy days.... :)
(https://i.imgur.com/1HQW3WQh.jpg)
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Nice. Roadtecs as well. Good choice :thumbup
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Yes - my second set of Roadtecs. Have been really impressed with them.