Prison is also supposed to be a deterrent. If poor, deprived little Johnny Crackhead can expect an easy ride after terrorising his neighbourhood, he isn't likely to change his ways, is he?
Why not just throw old Noah into the mix, who supposedly died aged 950. If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous then it may actually be laughable.But if it was written in a book then it must be true.
Hey like I say, you can send em to hell and they'll come out harder, even more fucked up, detached from society and guranteed to cause mayhem and re-offend. Or you can strike a balance between punishment and investing in rehabilitation and release people ready to become part of society and unlikely to reoffend. But like I say, macho, testosterone fuelled brain dead bull shit is the vote winner, so our prisons are a little light on the rehabilitation projects.
They are in the prison costing us a shed full of money it would cost next to nothing more to have a rehab programme
Sometimes showing someone a little kindness and interest produces results for the better, not always I'm sure, but sometimes it will.
Oh and I should point out again, that when I mention rehabilitation I'm talking about full blown psychopaths - like Brady. People identified as and diagnosed as psychopaths are not suitable for rehabilitation. If the diagnosis is correct, then it is not possible to rehabilitate them in any shape or form. A psychopath with serious criminal habits will always reoffend.
Oh and I should point out again, that when I mention rehabilitation I'm not talking about full blown psychopaths - like Brady. People identified as and diagnosed as psychopaths are not suitable for rehabilitation. If the diagnosis is correct, then it is not possible to rehabilitate them in any shape or form. A psychopath with serious criminal habits will always reoffend.
So, in your words, if they're untreatable then what should be done with them?
QuoteSo, in your words, if they're untreatable then what should be done with them?. Today it’s pretty much accepted that true psychopaths are untreatable. From treatments or rehabilitation, they simply learn how to be ‘better’ psychopaths. They are simply wired up differently from the rest of us. Some of the attempts to rehabilitate fully blown psychopaths and release them into society are, umm, well, interesting – to say the least. Bear in mind that not all psychopaths are of the child murdering throat slitting variety. Many psychopaths know how to play by the rules and live their lives amongst us (it is said a high proportion of CEOs and company chairmen are psychopathic). Psychopaths are simply extreme sociopaths totally without conscience. Conscience is not something they can understand and they are not capable of it.That’s the long answer. The short answer is make sure they can do no harm. If they have failed to live by the rules you lock em up for life. There's no point at any attempt to rehabilitate, and I dont believe in the death sentence (you need a fucking sociopath to carry it out FFS!) Oh, how about Theresa May? She’s a possible psychopath. Though personally I suspect she merely suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, ditto Donald Trump. Psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists are all often extremely good at observation and working out what people want and how to charm them. They are very often experts at telling people what they want to hear in a very convincing manner. If highly intelligent, like Tony Blair, they have an awful habit of rising to the top of the shit heap.
Quote from: darrsi on 17 May 2017, 10:58:07 amWhy not just throw old Noah into the mix, who supposedly died aged 950. If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous then it may actually be laughable.But if it was written in a book then it must be true. Oh Darrsi!, The hat of arrogance fits you so well and I feel the style also suits you.I was, and am, talking about recorded history not just in a religious book (Which you seem to believe is a book of Fairy Stories) but also in secular history books and documents. Some of the records talk about how he was despised, these people were not his friends and some spoke harshly about him, why would they do that if he did not exist. Noah I know very little about, you seem to know more about him than I do, I did not know he allegedly lived to 950 years of age, now that does seem unbelievable as most die from heart disease or cancer or some other equally vile cause in this modern world. (note I said does seem unbelievable) We should all be willing to be more open minded and not jump to conclusions or desissions about things that don't sit comfortably with us, just because you choose not to believe something does not make it untrue. I have met a couple of guys in my life time that utterly refused to believe their wife was being unfaithful to them, because it was uncomfortable and painful so it was easier to deny it, but I'm afraid denial does not change fact. You know I still think the world is flat and if I ride my Fazer all day and night long I will fall off the edge, because I don't believe what someone once said. You would OK though Darrsi because you would probably not be able to get yours started, so you would not fall off the edge, but we would all certainly hear the backfiring.
Quote from: tommyardin on 17 May 2017, 10:55:08 pmQuote from: darrsi on 17 May 2017, 10:58:07 amWhy not just throw old Noah into the mix, who supposedly died aged 950. If it wasn't so utterly ridiculous then it may actually be laughable.But if it was written in a book then it must be true. Oh Darrsi!, The hat of arrogance fits you so well and I feel the style also suits you.I was, and am, talking about recorded history not just in a religious book (Which you seem to believe is a book of Fairy Stories) but also in secular history books and documents. Some of the records talk about how he was despised, these people were not his friends and some spoke harshly about him, why would they do that if he did not exist. Noah I know very little about, you seem to know more about him than I do, I did not know he allegedly lived to 950 years of age, now that does seem unbelievable as most die from heart disease or cancer or some other equally vile cause in this modern world. (note I said does seem unbelievable) We should all be willing to be more open minded and not jump to conclusions or desissions about things that don't sit comfortably with us, just because you choose not to believe something does not make it untrue. I have met a couple of guys in my life time that utterly refused to believe their wife was being unfaithful to them, because it was uncomfortable and painful so it was easier to deny it, but I'm afraid denial does not change fact. You know I still think the world is flat and if I ride my Fazer all day and night long I will fall off the edge, because I don't believe what someone once said. You would OK though Darrsi because you would probably not be able to get yours started, so you would not fall off the edge, but we would all certainly hear the backfiring. Are you still talking about him? (yaaaawn) People "documented" as living for over 900 years old does tend to stick in my mind, mainly because it's complete and utter fabricated bullshit, and not physically possible due to a mountainous list of reasons, which if you can't comprehend then that's not my problem.You carry on and read your book fella, it's not affecting my daily life whatsoever. I'm only 750 years young, wait 'til i'm older though and i'll prove it was all nonsense. ps: the bike starts and runs just fine.
I consider myself agnostic by the way,
QuoteI consider myself agnostic by the way,I used to think I was agnostic, then I realised I wasn't too sure about it.
That's when I realised I was an atheist.Pet hate is Jehova's Winess types knocking on my door;Me - Goodday but no thanks I'm an atheist.God's cold caller - You know I used to be like that too.Me - no you didn't. Goodbye.