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« on: 22 November 2018, 12:51:25 pm »
As I said, a simple one-word answer would have sufficed Why do you think you got it wrong?
Whereas you are not answering my question at all 
I didn't attempt to make a prediction. I got it wrong for similar reasons Farage got it wrong. He thought Remain had won too. In fact he demanded another Referendum.
See, you do have something in common with Farage   What were the reasons Farage got it wrong? Btw, I don't much care for him either.
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« on: 22 November 2018, 12:16:09 pm »
mtread, did you predict the result of the EU referendum correctly? A simple yes or no will do. No, did you? So let's hear your prediction what happens now.
As I said, a simple one-word answer would have sufficed  Why do you think you got it wrong?
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« on: 22 November 2018, 11:54:03 am »
mtread, did you predict the result of the EU referendum correctly? A simple yes or no will do.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 09:49:50 pm »
The EU will miss us more than we miss them  . Well they'll miss our cash anyway .
That, at the end of the day, is all they're interested in us for. Or more specifically, the financial powerhouse called London.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 09:20:01 pm »
What is likely to happen next if Parliament rejects the Brexit deal but The Government wins a subsequent confidence vote?.
Then it's likely that on March 29th we will leave with no deal, as the EU will refuse any further negotiations.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 09:18:43 pm »
If that's the way the EU wants it, then fine.
The word 'Deal' suggests agreement between two or more parties.
I'll be sending out dictionaries for Xmas
You see, that's where your argument fails. No deal means that we aren't bound by EU rules anymore. Therefore, if we want to to say EU citizens living and working here can stay, we can. But we can also say that to only the ones who benefit us by being here. Or to whoever we decide we want to. That's the point of no deal that seems to be going straight over your head. We will have the sovereignty over our own land to do as we see fit, for our benefit. Then, if the EU still wants to chuck UK citizens out, we'll see (more of) their true colours. The EU says it has things to lose by us leaving. After a no deal exit, it will then be up to them to demonstrate if they mean that, or they want nothing more to do with us. You Remainers only see the extremes of everything. Perhaps that is why the EU suits you so much. If the EU then wants to negotiate common ground in various things sensibly, i.e. they give up this idea that they can just dictate to us, then we'll see a new relationship develop.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 07:16:19 pm »
This could be sorted if the EU had the will. It is up to us and them, no one else.
Sorry, I thought 'No deal' was No Deal. You can't have 'The bits of the deal I want, but not the rest'
If that's the way the EU wants it, then fine.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 06:46:52 pm »
2. It's your selfish opinion that would prevent me from living in an EU country, even if I wanted to
This could be sorted if the EU had the will. It is up to us and them, no one else.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 06:08:48 pm »
But why would you stay in a country that, having left the EU, has, by your own admission, nothing left to offer you? You are obviously missing the irony of your statement there 
Perhaps. Care to explain it to me?
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« on: 20 November 2018, 02:05:44 pm »
That's ok, because I want this deal to be rejected in Parliament, Well at least that's one thing we want the same 
Which doesn't make any sense going on the things you have previously said, such as the EU represents you better than the UK. This deal will give you remain in all but name. You don't want the UK to be able to make its own decisions about anything - under this agreement, we won't be able to. we can decide for ourselves who stays and who comes in. And so can the entire EU, or is that concept too difficult to grasp?
The EU wants to take in anyone from anywhere in the world who shouts "refugee!" loudly enough, without making any checks before admitting them. It then wants to tell us how many of those people we should blindly accept. You see sense in that. I don't. It also wants us to take in economic migrants who do not have the qualifications we need, when our infrastructure is crumbling and those born here can't get access to the services they need as it is.
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« on: 20 November 2018, 01:58:04 pm »
Remainers want Forum members to live wherever they choose.
I have no qualms about where you live But why would you stay in a country that, having left the EU, has, by your own admission, nothing left to offer you?
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« on: 20 November 2018, 01:39:54 pm »
One thing about May's deal that is good is that those living and working here already can stay. Thereafter, those wishing to come here must fit the UK's requirements, which are not unreasonable, and is a sensible thing to do.
Again, factually wrong. When the transition deal starts on 30th March any other EU nationals can still come and stay and work during the transition period. After that these also can stay permanently if they've lived here for 5 years. Oh and they can bring their relatives to stay permanently. It's all in Article 13.
That's ok, because I want this deal to be rejected in Parliament, which it will be. Under a no deal exit, which is the only other option the EU will accept, we can decide for ourselves who stays and who comes in. It won't matter to you, because if Brexit goes through, you'll move to the EU. Everybody happy!
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« on: 20 November 2018, 12:27:42 pm »
No one need be deported if both sides are sensible about it. Except those living in a country illegally. The sooner they are deported, the better. One thing about May's deal that is good is that those living and working here already can stay. Thereafter, those wishing to come here must fit the UK's requirements, which are not unreasonable, and is a sensible thing to do.
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« on: 18 November 2018, 10:25:09 pm »
Help ma boab!
Presumably you are in with the fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists of UKIP. 
You can presume what you like - ready to invoke Godwin yet? Are you now going to tell us why we should listen to you at all? Considering your anti-UK stance?
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« on: 18 November 2018, 08:35:48 pm »
I was thinking oh no Hedgetrimmer's focced  , then the genius reply saves the day
You're not likely to be focced in this argument when you're on the side of democracy, YamFazFan. It seems ze Germans along with the French are getting ready to enforce their vision of ze fourth Reich on the rest of Europe. Hopefully, just by political means this time, but it still illustrates their dislike of democracy. It doesn't seem long ago we were getting a hammering for our old empire, and enforcing our way on others around the world. But now, suddenly, it's ok if the Franco-German "visionaries" want to do it to the rest of Europe. History shows us too that expansionism knows no bounds.
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« on: 18 November 2018, 08:14:12 pm »
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« on: 18 November 2018, 08:13:18 pm »
Meanwhile, I'm just continuing to take the piss
Because that's all you've got left
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« on: 18 November 2018, 08:02:26 pm »
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« on: 18 November 2018, 07:52:58 pm »
mtread, what qualifications and experience do you have that give you more knowledge than him? You're a former...what, exactly?
I'm a retired HM Customs & Excise policy maker, and law and regulation implementer. That good enough for you? 
Retired? Then no, it's not good enough for me, since a former Aussie PM isn't good enough for you
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« on: 18 November 2018, 07:41:37 pm »
Scottish Independence Chap, I'm still waiting for your reply to:
And we should listen to you because...?
Are you struggling with this one VNA? What's up, having trouble with the English language?
Why are we waitingVNA's hesitating  I guess he must be realising the hypocrisy of his position.
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« on: 18 November 2018, 07:24:39 pm »
Scottish Independence Chap, I'm still waiting for your reply to:
And we should listen to you because...?
Are you struggling with this one VNA? What's up, having trouble with the English language?
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« on: 18 November 2018, 07:19:24 pm »
Now, I don't care what the draft deal says, it is time we just walked away from that snake pit. I agree ditch the draft deal and cancel any further attempts to make a deal with the EU - job done.
At last, we agree on something Pity, as your view from your anti-UK position counts for less than nothing
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« on: 18 November 2018, 06:47:09 pm »
Scottish Independence Chap, I'm still waiting for your reply to:
And we should listen to you because...?
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« on: 18 November 2018, 06:39:04 pm »
Perhaps we could ask the European court to help sort this mess out......when they've finished imposing this sort of shit on us......who the fuck do they think they are telling us who we have to house. It's a fucking joke.
Walk away from the lot of them, show a bit of backbone, get your head down and show the world what Great Britain can achieve.
The EU is nothing short of an unelected dictatorship that are acting like the bully boys in a private school.
They know full well us leaving would seriously wound them.
If only we had a leader who kept this in mind when dealing with the fucktards.
Absolutely spot-on dazza  I was waiting to find out more about what this deal would actually mean, but it's now obvious; Germany and France are looking for full European domination, including over the UK. Not militarily yet, perhaps, although some of Macron's rhetoric makes you wonder. Now, I don't care what the draft deal says, it is time we just walked away from that snake pit.
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« on: 18 November 2018, 06:14:14 pm »
Just heard on the news that Macron is talking about full European sovereignty. So no super state eh? Ok... Not to mention his previous statement about wanting an EU army to defend against...the U.S.A.?! Yes, I can see which way this EU project is going.
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