None left - just bought it!Tried to buy it buty stuuuupid ebay wont let me coz I dont have a fricken PP acccount, bah!
b1k3rdude do you want me to get you oneTis ok, I msg'd him and he removed the restriction and will be fitting mine tomoz.
because every one kept asking made me paranoid:lol
How long is the OEM designed to last?
I thought many bikes had done over 100,000 miles - I assume on the OE tensioner, some over 200,000 miles?
But why did Yamaha fit an auto tensioner? Are there reasons why the tension needs to vary in day to day running?
Also how do we know exactly how much tension to apply to the manual unit?
£35 and half an hour of you time against the risk (all be it limited risk) of a big bang
APE manual cam chain tensioners are designed to replace the automatic and hydraulic tensioners on high performance engines. The automatic adjusters can back out when the throttle is closed suddenly at high rpm. This allows the cams to go momentarely out of time, and can result in bent valves and/or serious engine damage. Hydraulic tensioners have a tendency to put too much tension on the chain guide under high rpm/high oil pressure conditions, resulting in premature wear. Both problems can be eliminated with the installation of the APE manual tensioner. No mater what the engine does, the cam chain tension will remain constant. An APE manual cam chain tensioner is a must for any kind of performance riding.
APE manual tensioners are CNC machined from billet alloy to exact tolerances for perfect fit.
I've done it and I'm happy I did - I thought I'd share the experience
there is a risk but there's a risk you'll get hit by a bus
Also this is a part off e-bay. Not sure who made it. Are the materials and the head 100% correct?I thought the quality was pretty good TBH and would have no issues recommending the unit if you were considering it.
I think a couple of people have fitted this now, did you bother setting the engine to TDC before swapping them or just go for as is.
i diddnt tdc is more important on single cylinders
Same tensioner, different bike, same result.
[url]http://uk.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A7x9Qbt6.fZRuDMAsShLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzM2NhNWVzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjYEY29sbwNpcmQEdnRpZAM-/SIG=12bpke0at/EXP=1375169018/[/url]**http%3a//www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php%3ft=93725 ([url]http://uk.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A7x9Qbt6.fZRuDMAsShLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBzM2NhNWVzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjYEY29sbwNpcmQEdnRpZAM-/SIG=12bpke0at/EXP=1375169018/[/url]**http%3a//www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php%3ft=93725)
| Gone |
This link is not authorized by Yahoo! If you would like to continue to this link's intended destination at your own risk, click here (http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93725). |
...the only problem I can see anyone having with a manual is if you get lazy and don't adjust it when things start to get a little noisy.....
Mines an 05 with 69k on the clock, do I need one?
Aw heck, every bike I've owned has had auto tensioners and I've caned and abused many of them and never had a tensioner fail on me. My manual is there ready and waiting to be fitted but I think I'll hang on for a while longer before I decide, just see if anyone comes up with a bit more info! :rolleyes
(Might also be cos I'm too damn lazy to have gotten round to it yet too! :lol )
But how gutted will you be if it fails and you had a manual tensioner in your shed?
like I said, only on this thread have I ever heard of a failure since buying my first bike in 2001, ridden 77k miles since then , on 2 seperate fazers , no issues at all...so just how big is the " risk " ?? :rolleyes
well any body with any sense would not restart an engine with suspected cam chain tensioner failure.....surely ????
Not everyone is knowledgeable enough to identify the noise a rattling chain makes - some people just ride their bikes and let their mechanic do all the worrying for them. Nothing wrong with that, except of course you won't know when your cam chain is about to cause mayhem! Perhaps such people are ideal candidates for a manual tensioner?!I don't follow this logic - if you are mechanically inept and can't recognize the noise made by a loose camchain you should have a manual tensioner that requires mechanical competence to adjust as and when when you recognize your camchain is noisy?
Not everyone is knowledgeable enough to identify the noise a rattling chain makes - some people just ride their bikes and let their mechanic do all the worrying for them. Nothing wrong with that, except of course you won't know when your cam chain is about to cause mayhem! Perhaps such people are ideal candidates for a manual tensioner?!I don't follow this logic - if you are mechanically inept and can't recognize the noise made by a loose camchain you should have a manual tensioner that requires mechanical competence to adjust as and when when you recognize your camchain is noisy?
If you're the kind of guy that lets a mechanic do all the worrying then it's not going to make any difference what tensioner you have fitted, unless you think there is a fair chance the automatic one will fail in which case it's safer to have a manual one fitted ;)
This attitude that you must do this or don't do unless such and such has done it bull crapalways makes me smile luke,, its the peeps with no mechanical knowledge that i feel sorry for cos given the choice between this mod or a fancy set of grips they'd buy the grips lol. they just don't understand that if one somewhere has failed it's a problem and if theirs fails it will cost them more than the bikes worth to pay for the repair. you won't get any warning at all and up until the moment of sudden and dramatic catastrophe your bike will be perfectly normal in every way. it can fail on startup,, at low revs,, at high revs anytime the result will be the same. anyone with mechanical knowledge will have one fitted immediately, anyone else i'd urge you to do the same. lukes guide on fitting it is excellent and even my mum could follow it i reckon. read the american and english z1300 forums about this type of problem. we used to advise people once they bought a z1300 not to even start the engine until this type of mod was done cos of the rarity of spare parts. ;)
Everyone can make there own minds up
I've done it and I'm happy I did - I thought I'd share the experience
But one again I forgot about the keyboard hero's
It's a free world for now go enjoy it
always makes me smile luke,, its the peeps with no mechanical knowledge that i feel sorry for cos given the choice between this mod or a fancy set of grips they'd buy the grips lol. they just don't understand that if one somewhere has failed it's a problem and if theirs fails it will cost them more than the bikes worth to pay for the repair.And perhaps a little knowledge can be dangerous. Or maybe some folks don't understand the difference between a little mechanical knowledge and engineering.
I think I've made my decision. As there doesn't appear to be a way the manual tensioner can fail, even if the chances are a 1000 to 1 that the auto fails, it's still a chance. So there is a reason to go manual, and doesn't seem to be any reason not to. Good logic?I'm pretty sure that's the exact same logic used by those of us who have fitted a manual tensioner. It's my understanding that because the spring is under constant but slightly varying pressures and is subject to regular heat cycles it is at risk of metal fatigue which is why some of them can give out, obviously a manual tensioner does not have this problem. Whilst automatic tensioner failure is not a common problem to me £35 and 10 minutes installation time is worthwhile to eliminate the possibility of it happening.
I think I've made my decision. As there doesn't appear to be a way the manual tensioner can fail, even if the chances are a 1000 to 1 that the auto fails, it's still a chance. So there is a reason to go manual, and doesn't seem to be any reason not to. Good logic?I'm pretty sure that's the exact same logic used by those of us who have fitted a manual tensioner. It's my understanding that because the spring is under constant but slightly varying pressures and is subject to regular heat cycles it is at risk of metal fatigue which is why some of them can give out, obviously a manual tensioner does not have this problem. Whilst automatic tensioner failure is not a common problem to me £35 and 10 minutes installation time is worthwhile to eliminate the possibility of it happening.
You should fit one Nick, then anytime it needs adjusting just dump it in a hedge :lol :lol