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General => General => Topic started by: Flooky on 16 January 2018, 06:21:45 pm
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WTF ???
beam me up scotty :eek
I cant believe all this shit about being a man or a woman or neither.. maybe I am too old for this world
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Copied from the Urban Dictionary - as I wasn't certain WTF "Gender Fluid" was referring to. Now I've read it I can make some sort of sense of it but I agree, the world has gone to pot.
Gender Fluid (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gender%20Fluid) is a gender identity best described as a dynamic mix of boy and girl (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=girl). A person who is Gender Fluid may (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=may) always feel like a mix of the two traditional genders, but may feel more boy some days, and more girl other days. Being Gender Fluid has nothing to do with which set of genitalia one has, nor their sexual orientation.
No, I'm not a boy (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boy), and I'm not a girl (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=girl) either (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=either). I am gender fluid.
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I cant believe all this shit about being a man or a woman or neither.. maybe I am too old for this world
It depends on whether you can look beyond the definition of what you consider as "normal" which, for most people is "what I was told when I was growing up".
FYI gender is *not* a simple binary male/ female description, despite what a small minority of very vocal feminists claim, nor is it simply a matter of the "if you were born with a penis you're a man" nonsense.
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I thought if you were born with a penis you are a man ?
Seems like a new trend for the youngsters to avoid fitting in.
oh well back to the garage then.. hide with the tools and ignore this rubbish
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I was expecting this thread to be about an upgrade of DOT 5.1 :lol
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I thought if you were born with a penis you are a man ?
Seems like a new trend for the youngsters to avoid fitting in.
oh well back to the garage then.. hide with the tools and ignore this rubbish
I'm with you Flooky, you can tell/kid yourself just what you want as long as it fits in with your life style and preferences.
Look at any other species, dog, cat, mouse, horse, mule, elephant, spider and list goes on and on, in all these species the male has the penis the female the vagina, I am not aware of any (Choice) gender dysphoria in the animal world. But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK, so you can not challenge anyone. I put the word (Choice) above because some live bearing fish can actually be both sexes, guppies being one of them.
It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.
Please don't think I have a down on the gay community, but also don't tell me its normal and the way it was designed, if we all go that direction the human race is focced, it's just that 51% are OK with it, not that 51% are gay it's just that we can not be seen to be prejudiced in any way.
The population is living longer and longer, resources/pensions are being challenged to breaking point, the NHS is underfunded as well as our schools and utility services.
You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)
Some will say that will never happen, but the truth is its has already started with amniotic fluid tests, babies with Down Syndrome are being terminated in the name of compassion, now I wonder if it is because most people with Down Syndrome will never actually be able to hold down a job and therefore never be productive in the work place and pay their way?
The medical profession will tell you that they have beaten/eliminated Down Syndrome, but that is not the truth, it is detected and advice is given to heart broken parents, it's not beaten it hidden.
Is having a job and being productive the measure of someones value? if it is then it is us old fuckers next for the chopping block, we are all absorber's producing zilch, and consuming everything, euthanasia and make a saving on the pensions and the NHS, also £200 a year per person on heating allowance, it will also sort out the housing problem as well, we are selfish bastards for keeping on living.
I have not written any of the above with the intention of causing anyone pain, whether Down Syndrome or the Gay community or Gender Dysphoria, but I have my opinions and others have theirs.
During the recession back in the late 80's I got out of the building trade because of the shortage of work and worked with adults with Challenging Behaviour
(Used to be classed as people with violent tendencies) for a care organisation for about a year, I quit because it was so stressful.
I then moved on to a different sector in the care world working with adults with learning disabilities, I also did a lot of training and became an NVQ Assessor, assessing other carer's in their qualifications.
The client group that I worked with were adults that had been brain damaged at birth, either by accidents or mistakes, or just that early life had not been kind to them, the most loving and sensitive of these dear folk were the people who had Down Syndrome.
What I enjoyed about working with these folk the most was, what your saw was what you got, no bullshit, no trying to impress or making themselves out to be something that they are not. Bloody refreshing.
Right I also off to my shed in the morning to do some work on the Honda C90, now that my monthly pension has come through. :lol
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I was expecting this thread to be about an upgrade of DOT 5.1 :lol
Oops! My mistake :eek
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Hey does that mean I can marry my dog :rollin, bitch of course, or even my bike, now shes real nice :lol
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Gender fluid in my day just meant swings both ways.
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On a similar tack of what you might be comfortable with......
My old dog was a bitch. She liked to lick my balls. That was nice :b
My current dog is not a bitch. He too wants to lick my balls. Not having that, it feels queer :rollin
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I cant believe all this shit about being a man or a woman or neither.. maybe I am too old for this world
It depends on whether you can look beyond the definition of what you consider as "normal" which, for most people is "what I was told when I was growing up".
FYI gender is *not* a simple binary male/ female description, despite what a small minority of very vocal feminists claim, nor is it simply a matter of the "if you were born with a penis you're a man" nonsense.
You're almost right.
Being gender fluid means your parents are fucked up trendsetting nutters who have no real care for you as the problems you will encounter growing up at school, etc, whilst trying their hardest to make you different, outstanding, or in my eyes a simple target just for their own selfish and narcissistic reasons is all a bit unnecessary.......in MY opinion.
And i think if you are born with a penis, then you most certainly are a man by definition in this world that we live in.
If a fella who decides to have a cut and shut and run around in a dress calling himself Mabel happens to commit a crime and leave DNA at the crime scene then police will still be looking for a bloke, no matter how big his tits are.
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Hey does that mean I can marry my dog :rollin , bitch of course, or even my bike, now shes real nice :lol
I have never or would never think about marrying a bike or a car because that is nonsencicle, but, with saying that I have fucked one or two during my lifetime. :rollin
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It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Is that actually how the law was changed?.
It was an absolutely ridiculous law.
The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
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Let's have it right. I wish the heating allowance was £200 per pensioner. That would be my bike insurance sorted. It's £200 per household, so if a couple are both pensioners it's £100 each. A pensioner only gets £200 if they live alone or their wife hasn't reached pensionable age.
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Seems to me Gender and Sexual preference/orientation are getting mixed up ! I you are born with male genitals .. well you are a man ( your gender) - where you choose or are compelled to stick your genitals "after dark" is your choice and defines you sexual orientation.
Some things in life are binary- You are either a Man or a Woman
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It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Is that actually how the law was changed?.
It was an absolutely ridiculous law.
The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
Of course, it never really happened like that. Over a time period, those significant and influential gay people who are in significant numbers, and influential positions, have moulded modern society to reflect their preferences and interests. Its called manipulation.
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I don't know about all that, but all the gay men I've ever known have been decent blokes.
It's up to them how they live they're lives.
I looked it up, it was an Act Of Parliament in 1967, but with certain restrictions.
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Let's have it right. I wish the heating allowance was £200 per pensioner. That would be my bike insurance sorted. It's £200 per household, so if a couple are both pensioners it's £100 each. A pensioner only gets £200 if they live alone or their wife hasn't reached pensionable age.
Exactly my situation, I married a much younger woman, and she can keep me in the manner I have become accustomed to :lol the heating only goes on when she is out of the house, It's Mine All mine :lol [size=78%] . [/size]
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Seems to me Gender and Sexual preference/orientation are getting mixed up ! I you are born with male genitals .. well you are a man ( your gender) - where you choose or are compelled to stick your genitals "after dark" is your choice and defines you sexual orientation.
Some things in life are binary- You are either a Man or a Woman
Here, here! the voice of reason
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It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Is that actually how the law was changed?.
It was an absolutely ridiculous law.
The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
Of course, it never really happened like that. Over a time period, those significant and influential gay people who are in significant numbers, and influential positions, have moulded modern society to reflect their preferences and interests. Its called manipulation.
There is an element of the above which has a bearing on the issue being discussed, but, it is just a bearing and not the whole picture, we live in a democracy and just like BREXIT like it or lump it democracy is at play in all decisions that are made on social and moral issues.
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I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.
But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK
Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts. I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves :lol ).
It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.
Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there. People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are. And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no. Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?
Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,
Why would anybody think that? Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world. Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal, or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.
You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)
The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god) still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
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The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
Indeed YamFazYam.
In order to avoid jail he had to agree to treatment.
The chemical treatment was chemical castration.
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The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.
OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.
Shameful episode.
Indeed YamFazYam.
In order to avoid jail he had to agree to treatment.
The chemical treatment was chemical castration.
Barbaric.
And fairly recent history too. I think he committed suicide shortly after didn't he?.
Thank goodness those days are committed to the past.
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I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.
But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK
Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts. I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves :lol ).
It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.
Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there. People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are. And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no. Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?
Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,
Why would anybody think that? Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world. Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal, or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.
You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)
The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god) still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
VNA's quote above as he quoted:
I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.
But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK
Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts. Facts, conclusions and opinions of expertsThat sounds to me you like listening to popular opinions
I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves). Your compassionate, understanding and do your best not to judge others, unless others opinions differ from yours.
It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.
No judgement here from me, it just what happened when democracy changed the ruling, and not going to jail was the outcome, read that 67 Act.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.[/quote] Do you think its OK then men in leadership in the churches being married to each other, I don't, I believe that people in authority have a responsibility to those that they are meant to be serving, but you seem to think its OK, now my opinion is different to yours yet again but Hey Ho! you are entitled to your opinion, but it would appear that I am not, according to the rule of Mr fucking VNA
Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there. People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. For a man who does not give a fuck about popular opinions and likes to think for himself, you certainly keep going back to those that do hold those opinions as a reference point. And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are. Are these facts? Or just according to you Oh! fucking wise one.
Are you saying we have no choice in any of the things that we do or become? did the twat who mowed people down with car have no choice? was he just doomed to be a murder, was it in his genes? if he had no choice then is there no guilt?
And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no. Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?
I have not discriminated against anyone here, but, I'm afraid people are discriminated because of what they are in every walk of life. I am not saying it is right or proper but it certainly is that way.
Now that's a fact.
Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,
Below is the whole quote and not just a part of it.
Please don't think I have a down on the gay community, but also don't tell me its normal and the way it was designed, if we all go that direction the human race is focced, it's just that 51% are OK with it, not that 51% are gay it's just that we can not be seen to be prejudiced in any way.
Why would anybody think that? Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world. Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal.It would seem to me that you believe that a homosexual act is normal then, again that your opinion. If you used a more accurate choice of words and wrote as I did and wrote ‘its not normal’ rather than ‘They are not normal’ you have accused me of saying something about the person, when as you can clearly see I was saying something about the act. or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
I have read through my previous post, I see no where that I have been an advocate of, again your words not mine, locking them up, punish them, torture them and discriminated against them, I did say and I quote ‘don’t tell me that its normal and the way it was designed, I still don’t believe it is the way we were designed and anyone with a modicum of sense would have to agree, we are creative people who have children together and continue the species.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.
Again VNA you paraphrase to suit your case. I am surprised you used the word cunt and not arsehole. You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)
The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. Who the fuck told you that, most people don’t even want to think about dying let alone plan it in advance, as you seem to indicate. Life is precious and people generally want to live as long as possible, sure there are a minority that advocate euthanasia for themselves, but most are advocates for it to be used on others. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god)< (Sounds a bit discriminatory VNA surely not, not from you?)still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
Honestly you believe there are millions of people who would wish to die when they choose?The population of the United Kingdom is 66.5 million souls, now VNA says there are millions who would choose to die when they want to, using VNA’s words I am assuming millions is more than one million, so I will go for two million people who would make this choice, 2% of 66.5 million people is 1.33 million, and that’s how many VNA seems to think would choose to die in this country if they were allowed. And he called me a cnut
I can see that you don't give a fuck about popular opinion VNA, because popular opinion is what the majority think, and it was that opinion that lead to the Decriminalisation Act of 67 and you seem in your ignorant way to read into everything that I have said the way your shallow mind sees fit.Read through my post again and highlight where I have said that gay people are wrong or should be punished, tortured, imprisoned, discriminated against.
Fucking idiot.
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:lurk
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Indeed YamFazYam.
Typo?😉
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People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
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People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
Another example of word twisting. How on earth can you be born in the "wrong body"?
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As a young man at the time of the 67 Act, with a keen interest in politics and economics at the time, I can tell you that it wasn't popular opinion that led to the Act.
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Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.
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Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.
:lol
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People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
Its true it is non of our business, unless we have to pay for it, special toilets in school, gender neutral police uniforms and the head doctors needed when this lot are 40 and realise the world don't revolve around them.
And I object to being told I have to fit in with this, when you fill in a gov form now the list of choices is mindblowing.
Interestingly it doesn't seem to be a problem in countries where they are too busy working to feed themselves.
I would like to point out I have not mentioned gay people in any of this.
Its just the don't knows !!
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Well I pay for lots of things I don't necessarily agree with. That's the price of being part of a society.
As to being born in the wrong body, I think many of us agree that women have very different minds to men, and it's not just about missing a dick ;)
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Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.
Simply pointing out that the majority of ordinary working people felt great unease, and that it may lead to further relaxations in legislation, including reducing the age of consent down as far as 16 years of age
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It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have
As a young man at the time of the 67 Act, with a keen interest in politics and economics at the time, I can tell you that it wasn't popular opinion that led to the Act.to go to jail anymore.
I’m a bit at a loss that Tommy seems to think the UK is run by referendum, and not as it had been for quite some time a representative democracy. Representative democracies still have to take note of public opinion but do not necessarily have to abide by popular public opinion. And representative democracy is far far better then relying on referendums to make policy decisions.
So as Agricola points out the 1967 act in England and Wales had foc all to do with public opinion. Indeed, far far from it.
You can of course dig out all sorts of statics over the years on gay rights, and even today the ignorant views as displayed here by you Tommy are not that uncommon (though that will change steadily with time as the older generations die off).
But for example, one stat from a poll is that in 1975 16% supported gay marriage. By 2014 that figure had risen to just short of 69%. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/05/20/voters-back-same-sex-marriage/ (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/05/20/voters-back-same-sex-marriage/)
Also the 1967 act may have decriminalised homosexual activity between men but it sure didn’t end discrimination, and if you were gay you still needed to keep a very low profile. In the four years after 1967, for example, convictions for consensual gay offences rose by almost 400%
Do you think its OK then men in leadership in the churches being married to each other, I don't, I believe that people in authority have a responsibility to those that they are meant to be serving, but you seem to think its OK, now my opinion is different to yours yet again but Hey Ho! you are entitled to your opinion, but it would appear that I am not, according to the rule of Mr fucking VNA
I’m an atheist. My thoughts are, that for now, that employers such as churches have been given breathing space to adapt, to sort their house out, not just by the law but by the general public. But they know, and we know that at some point they have to comply with the law. I do not believe that either their congregations or the public at large will accept that the bigots in the religious hierarchy are to be afforded some special right to discriminate and operate outside of the law of the land.
Are you saying we have no choice in any of the things that we do or become?
Perhaps this is the root of your problem Tommy. Why don’t you run a foc u poll on that? I’m not sure what the result would be, but it would be interesting. I suspect that those who believe that sexuality is simply a choice are very much in the minority, and further suspect that many such people are religious individuals in denial of their true sexuality. A large percentage of homophobic people, and often those who vehemently oppose gay rights are actually gay. They are gays in denial.
As for choice, how many times have we heard gay folks saying, particularly when growing up, that they would have given anything to have been born straight. It can’t be easy being gay particulary when you have to constantly face such ignorant prejudice as displayed by people such as yourself Tommy.
the most loving and sensitive of these dear folk were the people who had Down Syndrome.
One could argue that just as being gay is not ‘normal’ nor is down syndrome, nor is it ‘natural’ or the way we are supposed to be “designed” (whatever) that is supposed to mean but it does, just like being gay, naturally occur.
Who the fuck told you that, most people don’t even want to think about dying let alone plan it in advance, as you seem to indicate. Life is precious and people generally want to live as long as possible, sure there are a minority that advocate euthanasia for themselves, but most are advocates for it to be used on others.
Survey after survey and poll after poll. Sometimes I wonder if you were born yesterday Tommy. But you know most of us get to a certain age, and well develop a certain understanding of illness and death. A lot of us see people suffer long lingering deaths – ie a good bit before it becomes our turn. Right now I have a relative who’s developed motor neuron disease in the last couple of years. He’s quite advanced now – where he is now, if there was a way out, an opportunity to take his own life he’d jump at it. I, like the majority in this country, would, if in a similar predicament like that opportunity too.
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Typo?😉
Sorry :o
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Typo?😉
Sorry :o
No worries.
I know someone that's got Motor Neuron disease. He first had cancer, just got over that, then developed the other thing.
Such a nice guy. It's heart breaking to see it. He was really active and just approaching retirement. All those plans are of nothing now.
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I’m a bit at a loss that Tommy seems to think the UK is run by referendum, and not as it had been for quite some time a representative democracy. Representative democracies still have to take note of public opinion but do not necessarily have to abide by popular public opinion. And representative democracy is far far better then relying on referendums to make policy decisions.
The government seems hell bent on everyone being fitted with smart meters instead of that I actually think that we all need a smart voting console and get a vote on absolutely everything.
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Well, what a surprise, a whole lot of posts from a bunch of armchair "experts" who think that what they were told when they were growing up is "normal" and anything else means you're wrong, mentally ill or just deluded.
Fuck it. I was going to write a long post here, but I see *NO* point in trying to deal with this sort of closed-minded bigotry.
Here's some reading for you, although I doubt you'll pay any attention to it...
https://transwhat.org/confused/ (https://transwhat.org/confused/)
https://transwhat.org/debunked/ (https://transwhat.org/debunked/)
https://www.genderspectrum.org/quick-links/understanding-gender/ (https://www.genderspectrum.org/quick-links/understanding-gender/)
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-helen-webberley/gender-are-we-born-or-made_b_10380974.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-helen-webberley/gender-are-we-born-or-made_b_10380974.html)
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Here’s an interesting one brought to my attention the other day that’s in The Bible apparently.
I doubt it’s mentioned too much in church though, probably due to the massive hypocrisy.
Look up LEVITICUS 20:13
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Glad I started that then, :'(
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Glad I started that then, :'(
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Look up LEVITICUS 20:13
Naw naw naw, that's only if you are jewish.
You see for Christians they are no longer under the law, as God, the all knowing God, creator of everything told man, whoops I got some stuff wrong, sent his son doon there, got him crucified and got man to write a new bit of the bible called The New Testament.
But yeah the good old book, well there’s plenty of pretty extreme nasty stuff in there.
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Look up LEVITICUS 20:13
Naw naw naw, that's only if you are jewish.
You see for Christians they are no longer under the law, as God, the all knowing God, creator of everything told man, whoops I got some stuff wrong, sent his son doon there, got him crucified and got man to write a new bit of the bible called The New Testament.
But yeah the good old book, well there’s plenty of pretty extreme nasty stuff in there.
In full honesty it's all new to me anyway.
Although i was Christened i soon saw through all the bullshit and won't have anything to do with any religion whatsoever.
I don't get it, and i don't want to get it either.
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Strangely I was never Christened, my mother told me that by that time with three kids she just didn’t quite get round to it. Anyway was raised a protestant - Church of Scotland. My undoing was actually reading the bible from beginning to end. Finished it, and well I guess I became agnostic, only eventually I realised I wasn’t too sure about that either, so now an atheist. When you are raised in, indoctrinated, it takes time to work it out of your system anyway.
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OH my heed :rollin, lets concentrate on the light fitting thread :lol
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Leviticus 20.13 Jesus Christ! Next you'll be telling me that woman was created from Adam's spare rib. Now that is gender fluid :lol
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Lots of things are fluid, alcohol is fluid, so is blood, time and money and facts, so why not gender?
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Lots of things are fluid, alcohol is fluid, so is blood, time and money and facts, so why not gender?
Doubt you'll ever hear anyone asking for a pint of Gender down the local tonight. :lol
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My undoing was actually reading the bible from beginning to end. Finished it, and well I guess I became agnostic, only eventually I realised I wasn’t too sure about that either, so now an atheist. When you are raised in, indoctrinated, it takes time to work it out of your system anyway.
Similar story to me. I was raised CoE, which was mainly through school - Everything was religion orientated.
I read the "Good Book" all the way through. It is a great book, very interesting to read. I think that many more people should read it all the way through instead of hearing the 'soundbites' that is spouted at certain times of the year.
I became an unbeliever - I think I already didn't believe and I just used the bible as an excuse to define it. I don't use the term Atheist as my understanding of the word (more than likely wrong as I haven't looked it up in a dictionary) is Anti-Theist and it is still referring to religion by the use of the word Theist.
I am not religious and I don't care what anyone else believes as that is up to them and not me. I do expect the same courtesy in return.
As for Gender Fluid... I don't really understand it. I understand the term and I can understand the reasons why someone may be unsure but deep down I do not understand it and I don't think anyone could possibly explain it either.
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud)
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A few years ago, I think I was gender fluid.....
If I spent too long a time with the opposite gender, all this white fluid used to come out.
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A few years ago, I think I was gender fluid.....
If I spent too long a time with the opposite gender, all this white fluid used to come out.
And there was me thinking the tone couldn't get any lower :lol
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I thought if you were born with a penis you are a man ?
Seems like a new trend for the youngsters to avoid fitting in.
oh well back to the garage then.. hide with the tools and ignore this rubbish
I'm with you Flooky, you can tell/kid yourself just what you want as long as it fits in with your life style and preferences.
Look at any other species, dog, cat, mouse, horse, mule, elephant, spider and list goes on and on, in all these species the male has the penis the female the vagina, I am not aware of any (Choice) gender dysphoria in the animal world. But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK, so you can not challenge anyone. I put the word (Choice) above because some live bearing fish can actually be both sexes, guppies being one of them.
Clownfish.
Apparently a school of Clownfish is always led by the female fish at the top of the chain, but when she dies the most dominant male changes sex then takes her place! :look
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Seems to me Gender and Sexual preference/orientation are getting mixed up ! I you are born with male genitals .. well you are a man ( your gender) - where you choose or are compelled to stick your genitals "after dark" is your choice and defines you sexual orientation.
Some things in life are binary- You are either a Man or a Woman
Here, here! the voice of reason
Unless you’re intersex.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
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A few years ago, I think I was gender fluid.....
If I spent too long a time with the opposite gender, all this white fluid used to come out.
And there was me thinking the tone couldn't get any lower :lol
Yes indeed :rolleyes.
It was jolly funny tho :lol
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Here’s an interesting one brought to my attention the other day that’s in The Bible apparently.
I doubt it’s mentioned too much in church though, probably due to the massive hypocrisy.
Look up LEVITICUS 20:13
See http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1914 (http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1914) for more details...
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
Right, because the problem is with *that* child's parents and in NO WAY the fault of the parents of the little bastards who will bully and torment them...
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This is a very apt song for 'gender fluid', let me here you body talk! + I really like looking at vintage Olivia Newton John :b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zwPVU92-XQ
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
Right, because the problem is with *that* child's parents and in NO WAY the fault of the parents of the little bastards who will bully and torment them...
As you probably know full well, anything that strays from the 'norm' does incite some form of bullying - just look at what kids go through at school if they have to wear glasses. I am in no way saying it is right but I am just pointing out what's going to happen. That kids life could be hell and all because the parents think it's cool/funky/modern.
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud)
There's a clip of a Russell Brand interview in that link where he declares that his child will be raised gender neutral.
That settles it for me. It's all about attention seeking :rolleyes
Mind you I wouldn't dare say that to the mum/dad in the main story. It says he/she used to be a pub bouncer! :eek
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
Right, because the problem is with *that* child's parents and in NO WAY the fault of the parents of the little bastards who will bully and torment them...
As you probably know full well, anything that strays from the 'norm' does incite some form of bullying - just look at what kids go through at school if they have to wear glasses. I am in no way saying it is right but I am just pointing out what's going to happen. That kids life could be hell and all because the parents think it's cool/funky/modern.
:agree
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud)
There's a clip of a Russell Brand interview in that link where he declares that his child will be raised gender neutral.
That settles it for me. It's all about attention seeking :rolleyes
Mind you I wouldn't dare say that to the mum/dad in the main story. It says he/she used to be a pub bouncer! :eek
Russell Brand is an attention seeking gobshite prick, who's still on a drugs 'come down' 10 years after he "supposedly" quit.
Just hearing a few words of him talking on telly is enough for me to change channels.
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Here’s an interesting one brought to my attention the other day that’s in The Bible apparently.
I doubt it’s mentioned too much in church though, probably due to the massive hypocrisy.
Look up LEVITICUS 20:13
See [url]http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1914[/url] ([url]http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1914[/url]) for more details...
Not quite sure of your point there, i've already explained my views on religion, it's all a load of made up outdated lies and drivel to me.
In fact if they were excerpts from the Bible then that's probably the most i've ever read of it in my life.
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
Right, because the problem is with *that* child's parents and in NO WAY the fault of the parents of the little bastards who will bully and torment them...
Some things in life are just shit, simple as that.
Going all out to go off the beaten track is asking for trouble if truth be told.
Good luck to him if he grows up to be a decent and possibly stronger adult for all the crap that WILL affect his childhood. There's no ifs or buts about this one, he's got a mountain to climb and it's not gonna be easy or pleasant.
As for the bullies, again, shit happens. We had them when i was a kid, and i'm sure, world wide, they're still dominating the schools as we speak.
It's not an ideal planet we live on for sure, but there are certain things that can be avoided to make the journey in life just that little bit easier, and in this case that responsibility lands firmly on this kids messed up parents. In fact i doubt we can even begin to imagine a fraction of what this poor sod has to go through on a daily basis.
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I don't use the term Atheist as my understanding of the word (more than likely wrong as I haven't looked it up in a dictionary) is Anti-Theist and it is still referring to religion by the use of the word Theist.
You must have a fancier dictionary than I Hugh. But it makes sense, and I suppose it’s why I use the term. To be an atheist you must be aware of religion and the concept of a supreme being, considered it and then rejected it.
What does piss me off is when those religious nutters that set up stalls in the street or knock on your door keep going after I’ve told them I’m an atheist. One fairly common response from them is “I used to be like that”, to which I reply “no you didn’t.”
There's a clip of a Russell Brand interview in that link where he declares that his child will be raised gender neutral.
The express is a comic and Brand is apparently a comedian, though neither of them are funny.
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Russell Brand is an attention seeking gobshite prick
Just hearing a few words of him talking on telly is enough for me to change channels.
:agree
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Brand is apparently a comedian, though neither of them are funny.
:agree
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There's a clip of a Russell Brand interview in that link where he declares that his child will be raised gender neutral.
That settles it for me. It's all about attention seeking :rolleye
:agree
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'Gender fluid' or just a total mess? The kid will suffer all kinds of torment at school, through no fault of his own.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/840528/Gender-fluid-family-mum-dad-neutral-Nikki-Louise-Braven-Star-Cloud)
I notice neither of them appear to be strangers to the confectionary aisle :lol
They'd be better off concentrating on keeping in a better physical shape, rather than attention seeking, and thus set a better example to the child in that respect.
There always is and always has been, for want of a better phrase, people who were born 'In the wrong body' and they deserve tolerance and understanding.
But this is an exercise in seeing how far you can go in being unconventional. An attempt to tick every PC box there is on the matter.
:z :z :z
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Seems appropriate to chuck this one into the mix :look
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5292795/King-Ink-Land-tattoo-man-invited-NHS-smear-test.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5292795/King-Ink-Land-tattoo-man-invited-NHS-smear-test.html)
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I had to check it wasn't April the first after reading that one darrsi.
The whole story is bonkers from beginning to end.
The part that actually disturbed me the most was the bit where he claims...'When I did so my doctor said you're making valid points that your body transcends gender' :eek
No he isn't, he's a bloke covered in tattoos that's just yet another attention seeker :rolleyes
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I had to check it wasn't April the first after reading that one darrsi.
It’s April Fools day every day in the Daily Mail.
The part that actually disturbed me the most was the bit where he claims...
You get disturbed by the contents of the Daily Mail? Really?
No he isn't, he's a bloke covered in tattoos that's just yet another attention seeker ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/file:///C:/Users/garet/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/url])
There’s big demand for this stuff, such pish in the Daily Mail even gets discussed on some motorcycle forums. :eek :eek
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Right, because the problem is with *that* child's parents and in NO WAY the fault of the parents of the little bastards who will bully and torment them...
As you probably know full well, anything that strays from the 'norm' does incite some form of bullying - just look at what kids go through at school if they have to wear glasses. I am in no way saying it is right but I am just pointing out what's going to happen. That kids life could be hell and all because the parents think it's cool/funky/modern.
Yes, I do know that very well because I wore glasses at school.
But your attitude seems to be "kids are little bastards, deal with it", whereas mine is "teach the kids not to be little bastards".
If kids have to make themselves feel better about themselves by attacking someone else, then the problem is with the parents, not their victim.
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Seems appropriate to chuck this one into the mix :look
Oh, look! It's a Daily Mail Storm in a Teacup piece designed out outrage Middle England...
Yawn.
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I was expecting this thread to be about an upgrade of DOT 5.1 :lol
+1
:)
Though, having read the explanation, the book "The Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula Le Guin comes to mind. :)
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You get disturbed by the contents of the Daily Mail? Really?
:lol No I didn't make it clear.
I was referring to the doctor involved.
I'm glad he's not my GP with judgement like that :rolleyes
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But your attitude seems to be "kids are little bastards, deal with it", whereas mine is "teach the kids not to be little bastards".
Good luck with that one Grahamm :lol
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You get disturbed by the contents of the Daily Mail? Really?
:lol No I didn't make it clear.
I was referring to the doctor involved.
I'm glad he's not my GP with judgement like that :rolleyes
Hang on :stop. I'll take that first sentence back.
Just re-read it and I did make it clear enough to start with and you know it :lol
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Going all out to go off the beaten track is asking for trouble if truth be told. [/quote]
Wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same....
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Right, because the problem is with *that* child's parents and in NO WAY the fault of the parents of the little bastards who will bully and torment them...
As you probably know full well, anything that strays from the 'norm' does incite some form of bullying - just look at what kids go through at school if they have to wear glasses. I am in no way saying it is right but I am just pointing out what's going to happen. That kids life could be hell and all because the parents think it's cool/funky/modern.
Yes, I do know that very well because I wore glasses at school.
But your attitude seems to be "kids are little bastards, deal with it", whereas mine is "teach the kids not to be little bastards".
If kids have to make themselves feel better about themselves by attacking someone else, then the problem is with the parents, not their victim.
Kids are little bastards, it's because they're kids and in the early learning stage.
Most grow out of it, some carry on being a bastard in later life too.
If anything they're worse now than they've ever been, mainly in the big cities.
If you think you can change them......good luck.
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I had to check it wasn't April the first after reading that one darrsi.
It’s April Fools day every day in the Daily Mail.
The part that actually disturbed me the most was the bit where he claims...
You get disturbed by the contents of the Daily Mail? Really?
No he isn't, he's a bloke covered in tattoos that's just yet another attention seeker ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/file:///C:/Users/garet/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/url])
There’s big demand for this stuff, such pish in the Daily Mail even gets discussed on some motorcycle forums. :eek :eek
It's just an article in a newspaper for fucks sake. :rolleyes
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I bet the bloke that did 'King of Ink Land's' tattoos was gutted when they'd got to the eyeballs stage.
Probably had to cancel the order for the new Jag :lol
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People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born with the wrong brain. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.
Corrected that mistake for you mtread
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Some gender fluid that I can understand and relate to
Blond Beer
Mans ale
Ruby Beer
Amber ale
Bud
Samuel Adams
John Smiths
Mr Everard
Brew Dog (not bitch)
Abbot Ale
Timohy Taylor
Bishops Finger
Murphys
Blond Witch
St Peters
The Rev James
Old Tom
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Yes, I do know that very well because I wore glasses at school.
Specky four eyes! Bet you had those NHS ones too!
You ain't by chance bald now too?
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It's just an article in a newspaper for fucks sake.
Bloody hell. You mean the Mail is a newspaper! I thought it was sh*t read by people with the wrong brain :pokefun
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It's just an article in a newspaper for fucks sake.
Bloody hell. You mean the Mail is a newspaper! I thought it was sh*t read by people with the wrong brain :pokefun
You mean gender fluid people? :lol
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You mean gender fluid people?
I don't think Daily Mail readers have gender, fluid or brains. They're just angry :(
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it.
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it.
:agree
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it [/quote]
That's because it's usually quoted by intelligent papers. Usually under the headline 'Daily Mail upset about everything'. And don't get me started on the Daily Express..... Mind you, both are very handy when torn up for toilet duty.
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it [/quote]
That's because it's usually quoted by intelligent papers. Usually under the headline 'Daily Mail upset about everything'. And don't get me started on the Daily Express..... Mind you, both are very handy when torn up for toilet duty.
Can't remember the last time i bought an actual newspaper, i never really saw the point after learning years ago that you could buy the next days paper at Charing Cross Station from about 9pm the night before, whereas obviously now when reading online everything is up to date as quickly as possible.
Even now i get people at work on their lunch break telling me stories that they're reading in their papers which i read 30hrs ago the morning before.
As for the Daily Mail itself, it's just a source of daily info, and a lot of it. I couldn't give a monkeys about what their political stance is as that's not what i'm about. In fact i find the comments sections more interesting as there are so many different views, a bit like on here, but with even more world wide opinions which can make some funny reading.
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it [/quote]
That's because it's usually quoted by intelligent papers. Usually under the headline 'Daily Mail upset about everything'. And don't get me started on the Daily Express..... Mind you, both are very handy when torn up for toilet duty.
Can't remember the last time i bought an actual newspaper, i never really saw the point after learning years ago that you could buy the next days paper at Charing Cross Station from about 9pm the night before, whereas obviously now when reading online everything is up to date as quickly as possible.
Even now i get people at work on their lunch break telling me stories that they're reading in their papers which i read 30hrs ago the morning before.
As for the Daily Mail itself, it's just a source of daily info, and a lot of it. I couldn't give a monkeys about what their political stance is as that's not what i'm about. In fact i find the comments sections more interesting as there are so many different views, a bit like on here, but with even more world wide opinions which can make some funny reading.
Yep there's no point in buying papers anymore, you can pick up a free paper at most rail and bus stations - Metro, evening standard etc. They're free albeit they're full of adverts obviously.
The Sunday papers are more like a collection of lifestyle magazines than actual news sheets- sport, fashion, tech, motoring, interior design, celebrity etc.
I'll admit to a sly look at the DM on occasions, I don't agree with their politics, but they know how to incite the middle classes- property prices and immigration for example. it's an absolute right wing rag but it's entertaining none the less.
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It's considered fashionable to slam newspapers such as the Daily Mail.
It lets the world know what a caring, sharing person you are compared to those "Nasty Nasty Tories"
I've found they're usually right on most of the common sense issues.
(Daily Mail)
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The only Daily Mail headline that ever did any good
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/10/article-2654335-0000A4BE00000CB2-386_308x427.jpg)
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it [/quote]
That's because it's usually quoted by intelligent papers. Usually under the headline 'Daily Mail upset about everything'. And don't get me started on the Daily Express..... Mind you, both are very handy when torn up for toilet duty.
Can't remember the last time i bought an actual newspaper, i never really saw the point after learning years ago that you could buy the next days paper at Charing Cross Station from about 9pm the night before, whereas obviously now when reading online everything is up to date as quickly as possible.
Even now i get people at work on their lunch break telling me stories that they're reading in their papers which i read 30hrs ago the morning before.
As for the Daily Mail itself, it's just a source of daily info, and a lot of it. I couldn't give a monkeys about what their political stance is as that's not what i'm about. In fact i find the comments sections more interesting as there are so many different views, a bit like on here, but with even more world wide opinions which can make some funny reading.
Yep there's no point in buying papers anymore, you can pick up a free paper at most rail and bus stations - Metro, evening standard etc. They're free albeit they're full of adverts obviously.
The Sunday papers are more like a collection of lifestyle magazines than actual news sheets- sport, fashion, tech, motoring, interior design, celebrity etc.
I'll admit to a sly look at the DM on occasions, I don't agree with their politics, but they know how to incite the middle classes- property prices and immigration for example. it's an absolute right wing rag but it's entertaining none the less.
It's exactly that, just a free bit of entertainment you can quickly browse through and discard the majority of it although there'll always be something that grabs your attention. That'll do for me.
I glance other media websites as well, and read some stories that are so fabricated and full of shit that I really don't understand how these "reporters" keep their jobs?
Even with spellchecker half of them can't write a sentence without several spelling errors (still baffles me?) and you get some that must spend all day trawling YouTube for a shocking video, that's probably over 15 years old anyway and has been seen so many times over the years but because the reporters were still at school when it was first released it's a first for them.
In the comments section in the Daily Mail there are some staunch god botherers as it is a mix of the USA and UK news, which can make for some very funny slanging matches.
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It's considered sensible to slam newspapers such as the Daily Fail [/quote]
There you go YamFazFan, I've corrected it for you :D
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Ah cheers mtread😃.
That's just what I meant to say.
I'm a bit of a butterfingers on the keypad! lol
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Kids are little bastards, it's because they're kids and in the early learning stage.
Most grow out of it, some carry on being a bastard in later life too.
If anything they're worse now than they've ever been, mainly in the big cities.
If you think you can change them......good luck.
Children are not born racist.
Children are not born sexist.
Children are not born homophobic.
Children are not born trans-phobic
etc etc etc
But if they see older children and adults behaving in a particular way, they will copy that behaviour and it will become innate because they don't know any different. Then they go and replicate that behaviour and the whole sorry story continues.
I have two friends, one is a cis-woman, the other a trans-woman and they have a delightful little daughter who is very intelligent. One day she was outside and a little girl from a neighbour's house met her and they started playing.
Suddenly the other girl's mother came rushing out, dragging her daughter away saying "No, we don't play with her!"
That child is going to be brought up with the idea that two women (especially if one is trans) are people to be avoided, simply because her mother is a bigot.
Another example: there was a series on the BBC not long ago called "No more boys and girls" where a Doctor went into a Primary School class and changed the way they were taught, getting rid everything from gender separated coat racks to the teacher calling boys "mate" and girls "love".
The boy had an over-exaggerated idea of their own abilities whilst the girls were much less confident, but by the end of it, the girls were more self-confident interested in STEM careers etc and the boys behaviour was much improved and they were considerate of other people.
See https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/bbc-documentary-no-more-boys-and-girls-asks-if-genderneutral-schooling-is-the-key-to-achieving-a3613406.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/bbc-documentary-no-more-boys-and-girls-asks-if-genderneutral-schooling-is-the-key-to-achieving-a3613406.html)
So it *is* possible to stop children being little bastards but we need to start by making sure they don't *learn* to be little bastards!
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Yes, I do know that very well because I wore glasses at school.
Specky four eyes! Bet you had those NHS ones too!
Yes, I did.
You ain't by chance bald now too?
(Checks 12" pony tail)
Err, nope...!
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Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it.
Because, unfortunately, some people like to post links to Daily Heil stories without giving adequate warning that they go to that hate rag...
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Kids are little bastards, it's because they're kids and in the early learning stage.
Most grow out of it, some carry on being a bastard in later life too.
If anything they're worse now than they've ever been, mainly in the big cities.
If you think you can change them......good luck.
Children are not born racist.
Children are not born sexist.
Children are not born homophobic.
Children are not born trans-phobic
etc etc etc
But if they see older children and adults behaving in a particular way, they will copy that behaviour and it will become innate because they don't know any different. Then they go and replicate that behaviour and the whole sorry story continues.
I have two friends, one is a cis-woman, the other a trans-woman and they have a delightful little daughter who is very intelligent. One day she was outside and a little girl from a neighbour's house met her and they started playing.
Suddenly the other girl's mother came rushing out, dragging her daughter away saying "No, we don't play with her!"
That child is going to be brought up with the idea that two women (especially if one is trans) are people to be avoided, simply because her mother is a bigot.
Another example: there was a series on the BBC not long ago called "No more boys and girls" where a Doctor went into a Primary School class and changed the way they were taught, getting rid everything from gender separated coat racks to the teacher calling boys "mate" and girls "love".
The boy had an over-exaggerated idea of their own abilities whilst the girls were much less confident, but by the end of it, the girls were more self-confident interested in STEM careers etc and the boys behaviour was much improved and they were considerate of other people.
See https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/bbc-documentary-no-more-boys-and-girls-asks-if-genderneutral-schooling-is-the-key-to-achieving-a3613406.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/bbc-documentary-no-more-boys-and-girls-asks-if-genderneutral-schooling-is-the-key-to-achieving-a3613406.html)
So it *is* possible to stop children being little bastards but we need to start by making sure they don't *learn* to be little bastards!
Actually i think you're just pissing in the wind if you think you can "teach" someone their personality.
Everyone has their own ideas and way of thinking which nobody else can have full control over at all. This is easily demonstrated by siblings who have grown up in the same household but then go their different ways, and can end up totally unlike each other due to the path they each took.
Also, once you leave your house for your first ever day at school you just don't know who your friends might be, or who might influence you whilst growing up. It's completely unknown if your kid for example suddenly becomes best friends with a loner, or is an attention seeker who wants to be in control of everyone?
Certainly there are aspects of home life that can influence a kid massively, best measured by the amount of attention given to them by their parents, but once they're in the company of kids that's when it can all go very good, or very bad.
As for children not being born racist, homophobic, etc, that all might work in your ideal land, but the reality is our schools these days are being filled with kids from certain religions where all of these things are blatantly taught as being "taboo" to say the very least, starting at home, so again there is also that mountain to climb.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is the amount of drugs that are so easily available these days that have flooded the world. I never had any idea whatsoever about drugs when i was at school, not a clue, but you look at any suburban film involving teenage kids these days and there seems to be a constant flow and misuse of drugs. Guaranteed to change the nicest personality in the world to a fucked up degenerate.
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You ain't by chance bald now too?
(Checks 12" pony tail)
Err, nope...!
:useless
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I do agree with you Graham but unfortunately I don't see it ever happening. Even if kids are taught all these things they will still pick up phrases and prejudices as they go through life. Whether they act on them is an entirely different matter.
I'm not saying don't bother to teach it but rather don't expect a sea change within our lifetime.
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Daily Heil
:lol :lol Not heard that one before.
I bet you tuck a copy inside your Guardian so we don't all know that you're reading it :lol
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Yes, I did.
Ho, ho! Which means you must be of a certain age…….
(Checks 12" pony tail)
And a specky old git wi a baldy patch and pony tail!
Everyone has their own ideas and way of thinking which nobody else can have full control over at all. This is easily demonstrated by siblings who have grown up in the same household but then go their different ways, and can end up totally unlike each other due to the path they each took.
I can’t help thinking of the Hitler Youth for some reason. But, no, no, no, kids can’t be influenced never mind brainwashed. And your average human could never be considered in anyway sheep like. No, no, no. Naw, everybody is 100% free minded and thinks for themselves, and of course right from the day they were born.
As for children not being born racist, homophobic, etc, that all might work in your ideal land, but the reality is our schools these days are being filled with kids from certain religions where all of these things are blatantly taught as being "taboo" to say the very least, starting at home, so again there is also that mountain to climb.
Just sounds like the 70’s and 80’s when I was at school. Every week the bigot from the local church came to lecture us.
It's considered fashionable to slam newspapers such as the Daily Mail.
Common sense and always has been, nothing to do with fashion. Yes sensible mtread.
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Actually i think you're just pissing in the wind if you think you can "teach" someone their personality.
You're right, but, there again, I didn't say that.
What you *can* do is give them better ideas on how to behave towards other people.
As for children not being born racist, homophobic, etc, that all might work in your ideal land, but the reality is our schools these days are being filled with kids from certain religions where all of these things are blatantly taught as being "taboo" to say the very least, starting at home, so again there is also that mountain to climb.
And you then have the choice of balkanising groups, just like the "We don't play with her" mother I mentioned above, or you can actually *TALK* to people and try to understand their viewpoints and, just maybe, they'll understand ours instead of everyone developing a "them and us" mentality.
But if you don't listen, you'll never learn.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is the amount of drugs that are so easily available these days that have flooded the world. I never had any idea whatsoever about drugs when i was at school, not a clue, but you look at any suburban film involving teenage kids these days and there seems to be a constant flow and misuse of drugs. Guaranteed to change the nicest personality in the world to a fucked up degenerate.
Yes, because, as Professor David Nutt pointed out to the Home Office, MDMA (Ecstasy) is no more dangerous than riding a horse and Cannabis is less dangerous (and causes less problems) than alcohol.
But, hey, let's all just get pissed and smoke fags because *they* aren't a problem...
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You ain't by chance bald now too?
(Checks 12" pony tail)
Err, nope...!
:useless
https://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/graham/graham-1.jpg (https://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/graham/graham-1.jpg)
https://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/graham/graham-2.jpg (https://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/graham/graham-2.jpg)
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Daily Heil
:lol :lol Not heard that one before.
I bet you tuck a copy inside your Guardian so we don't all know that you're reading it :lol
I don't read any newspapers.
I do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC)...!
Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
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Ho, ho! Which means you must be of a certain age……
I'm 52. 53 in April.
So what?
(Checks 12" pony tail)
And a specky old git wi a baldy patch and pony tail!
No bald patch, see the picture links above. And I wear contact lenses and have been since I was 16.
Grey hair, yes, but that's a genetic trait in my family because I started going grey in my 20s as did my father, grandfather and uncle.
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Daily Heil
:lol :lol Not heard that one before.
I bet you tuck a copy inside your Guardian so we don't all know that you're reading it :lol
I don't read any newspapers.
I do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC)...!
Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
Using Wikipedia as a defence against something being unreliable is just a moot point.
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Daily Heil
:lol :lol Not heard that one before.
I bet you tuck a copy inside your Guardian so we don't all know that you're reading it :lol
I don't read any newspapers.
I do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC)...!
Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
Again, not entirely sure why you're even badmouthing the DM, if by your own admission you don't even read newspapers?
You don't have to believe everything word for word, it's quite easy to spot the irrelevant bullshit or just completely made up stories (like most papers), but it's still a source of info regardless.
Just read what takes your interest, there's certainly enough of it to choose from. For example i'm not interested in sport or politics so that's a large chunk i can overlook straight away, plus gets me away from their own political stance that people seem to be going on about.
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Actually i think you're just pissing in the wind if you think you can "teach" someone their personality.
You're right, but, there again, I didn't say that.
What you *can* do is give them better ideas on how to behave towards other people.
As for children not being born racist, homophobic, etc, that all might work in your ideal land, but the reality is our schools these days are being filled with kids from certain religions where all of these things are blatantly taught as being "taboo" to say the very least, starting at home, so again there is also that mountain to climb.
And you then have the choice of balkanising groups, just like the "We don't play with her" mother I mentioned above, or you can actually *TALK* to people and try to understand their viewpoints and, just maybe, they'll understand ours instead of everyone developing a "them and us" mentality.
But if you don't listen, you'll never learn.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is the amount of drugs that are so easily available these days that have flooded the world. I never had any idea whatsoever about drugs when i was at school, not a clue, but you look at any suburban film involving teenage kids these days and there seems to be a constant flow and misuse of drugs. Guaranteed to change the nicest personality in the world to a fucked up degenerate.
Yes, because, as Professor David Nutt pointed out to the Home Office, MDMA (Ecstasy) is no more dangerous than riding a horse and Cannabis is less dangerous (and causes less problems) than alcohol.
But, hey, let's all just get pissed and smoke fags because *they* aren't a problem...
Hasn't home life and schools agendas been all about teaching right from wrong from an early age? Are we not doing that now, still? It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.
Like it or not, the facts are that there are so many different stances to life in the UK right now that it's all going a bit Pete Tong. And the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
As for the drug thing, yes we all know booze and cigarettes are harmful, nobody's even trying to dispute that at all, but i think it's all about not adding to problems we already have. Government are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.
In my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type.
If you're using cannabis for example to ease illness pain, then good luck to you, i'm all for that. But don't expect employers to tolerate drug use, 'cos they won't due to health & safety issues, the same as booze isn't tolerated at work either. The problem with cannabis is how long it stays in your system, so employers won't tolerate it and i doubt very much the drug driving laws would change at all either, so you can can see what i meant by "stay at home" type. The unemployed would think they've hit the jackpot, but as we all know if you're gonna do it then you're already doing it.
Comparing taking Ecstasy to riding a horse, well, that's a bit like your DM / Wikipedia comment, just irrelevant.
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Ho, ho! Which means you must be of a certain age……
I'm 52. 53 in April.
So what?
Is that age discrimination? :rolleyes
Sounds a bit like it maybe.
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I can say with all honesty that I've never bought the Mail. We get it free with the shopping from Waitrose.
Have to pay for The Sun though :D :pokefun :pokefun :pokefun :pokefun
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I do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC)...!
Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
Using Wikipedia as a defence against something being unreliable is just a moot point.
I think you're missing the irony here...!
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Again, not entirely sure why you're even badmouthing the DM, if by your own admission you don't even read newspapers?
Sigh, if it helps your pedantry, I don't BUY the DM, however I can SEE the headlines and LOOK at what is on its front page when I go past the displays.
Similarly, if someone posts a copy of a story from it etc, then that makes me aware of what it publishes.
Better?
it's still a source of info regardless.
So was Pravda...
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Hasn't home life and schools agendas been all about teaching right from wrong from an early age?
Yes and there have been a lot of failed approaches which we shouldn't be using any more, yet are still out there.
It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.[...] Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Right, so let's not bother then. Let's just give up and let them go on their "mad homophobic way"...
don't expect employers to tolerate drug use
I never said they should, just as, as you mention, someone turning up to work drunk.
The problem with cannabis is how long it stays in your system
The effects wear off after around 4-8 hours, similar to a few pints of average beer. Of course most people don't realise that a heavy drinking session on a Sunday night will still impair them on a Monday morning.
Comparing taking Ecstasy to riding a horse, well, that's a bit like your DM / Wikipedia comment, just irrelevant.
No, it's pointing out how ridiculous the current "harm reduction" drug laws are.
And if you want laws to "reduce harm", the first thing to do is ban motorcycles because they make up almost 20% of the KSI statistics...
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Hasn't home life and schools agendas been all about teaching right from wrong from an early age?
Yes and there have been a lot of failed approaches which we shouldn't be using any more, yet are still out there.
It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.[...] Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Right, so let's not bother then. Let's just give up and let them go on their "mad homophobic way"...
don't expect employers to tolerate drug use
I never said they should, just as, as you mention, someone turning up to work drunk.
The problem with cannabis is how long it stays in your system
The effects wear off after around 4-8 hours, similar to a few pints of average beer. Of course most people don't realise that a heavy drinking session on a Sunday night will still impair them on a Monday morning.
Comparing taking Ecstasy to riding a horse, well, that's a bit like your DM / Wikipedia comment, just irrelevant.
No, it's pointing out how ridiculous the current "harm reduction" drug laws are.
And if you want laws to "reduce harm", the first thing to do is ban motorcycles because they make up almost 20% of the KSI statistics...
For the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.
Unfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.
Don’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
I’d much rather see the cokeheads driving like angry wankers nicked, than some chilled out driver just taking his time going from A to B.
I think most people know perfectly well that a piss up on a Sunday is a bad move, it’s no good for driving for starters and is no doubt the main reason for Monday morning fake illnesses regarding work. I never drink at all on a Sunday these days unless i have booked time off or it’s a Bank Holiday. I need a clear head anyway as Mondays can very often be a bit manic for me.
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Carefully chosen angles Graham, you’re hiding it well. :)
It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.
I’m all for multiculturalism. Can’t see anything wrong with it.
And the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Stop reading the Daily Mail Darrsi, it’s all paranoid bigoted bull shite.
Government are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.
Unfortunately, it’s become something of a tax on the poor. It’s also resulted in a massive growth in the black market – ie organised crime. I don’t think tobacco should be cheap as chips, but the current prices are ludicrous. It also smacks of middle class nannyism, the great and good enforcing their preferences on all. It ignores the fact that the most damaging drug in the UK is alcohol.
In my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type.
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion.
For the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.
Alcohol is a hard drug – period. You can get seriously off yer face on it and/or potentially kill yourself. Not to mention it’s association with aggressive behaviour. It’s a serious hard drug.
Unfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.
When tested for alcohol, people are tested to determine whether they are under the influence of the drug, ie how much alcohol is in their blood.
Cannabis is an illegal substance. When tested for cannabis, you are tested to see if you have any of the broken down by products of an illegal drug in your system. You are not tested to determine if you are under the influence of the drug.
At my place of work there is a rigorous random drug testing programme. As far as I can figure out - what they have managed to prove is that people can use recreational drugs and function as model employees. It’s also encouraged the use of hard drugs such as cocaine which are in and out of your system quick.
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and having followed this thread since the start, I have to say that my feelings on the original subject have not changed. The nation continues to splinter.
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Carefully chosen angles Graham, you’re hiding it well. :)
It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.
I’m all for multiculturalism. Can’t see anything wrong with it.
And the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Stop reading the Daily Mail Darrsi, it’s all paranoid bigoted bull shite.
Government are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.
Unfortunately, it’s become something of a tax on the poor. It’s also resulted in a massive growth in the black market – ie organised crime. I don’t think tobacco should be cheap as chips, but the current prices are ludicrous. It also smacks of middle class nannyism, the great and good enforcing their preferences on all. It ignores the fact that the most damaging drug in the UK is alcohol.
In my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type.
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion.
For the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.
Alcohol is a hard drug – period. You can get seriously off yer face on it and/or potentially kill yourself. Not to mention it’s association with aggressive behaviour. It’s a serious hard drug.
Unfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.
When tested for alcohol, people are tested to determine whether they are under the influence of the drug, ie how much alcohol is in their blood.
Cannabis is an illegal substance. When tested for cannabis, you are tested to see if you have any of the broken down by products of an illegal drug in your system. You are not tested to determine if you are under the influence of the drug.
At my place of work there is a rigorous random drug testing programme. As far as I can figure out - what they have managed to prove is that people can use recreational drugs and function as model employees. It’s also encouraged the use of hard drugs such as cocaine which are in and out of your system quick.
Where do you work, Colombia? :lol
Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
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Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
I’m not advocating coke. But one thing that has helped it become popular is how quickly the body processes the by products of the drug. Current workplace drug policies promote the use of coke.
And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
That’s the point I was making – there are no legal limits in the system for the by-products THC because it is not a legal substance. The testing is a nonsense.
Don’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
The current laws and policies are clueless. It’s a case of keep doing the same thing that’s never ever worked in the hope that at some point in the future surely it will work.
As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
So then why discriminate against safer less harmful drugs? Why encourage organised crime. Why ignore and deny the colossal damage that alcohol does to society?
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Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
I’m not advocating coke. But one thing that has helped it become popular is how quickly the body processes the by products of the drug. Current workplace drug policies promote the use of coke.
And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
That’s the point I was making – there are no legal limits in the system for the by-products THC because it is not a legal substance. The testing is a nonsense.
Don’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
The current laws and policies are clueless. It’s a case of keep doing the same thing that’s never ever worked in the hope that at some point in the future surely it will work.
As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
So then why discriminate against safer less harmful drugs? Why encourage organised crime. Why ignore and deny the colossal damage that alcohol does to society?
Either you are drunk, or on drugs.....or both.
Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
What planet are you on? And who do you work for?
Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
Again, don't mistake my point of view as being anti, because i'd be very interested to see it trialled over here, which is possible seeing as other countries are giving it a go.
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Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
Because you can use coke at the weekend and pass a drug test nae bother on the Monday morning.
Smoke a joint or two at the weekend, and whilst you might be stoned, umm sorry, stone cold sober on Monday morning you'll fail a typical workplace drug test, and you'll still fail on Friday. If you don't smoke anything for two or three weeks you should generally, though there's no guarantee,by then be OK.
And of course it is a policy that works on the basis of guilty until proven innocent.
Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
I think the USA’s prohibition experience suggests otherwise. Though obviously, as we have found with tobacco, if the legal price is stupid high then people will turn to other sources.
The other thing that has happened, as a result of most western countries outlawing cannabis, is there is no control over the development of the drug. Genetically modified skunk can be a completely different beast to natural organic cannabis.
The war on drugs continues to work against all. Whilst of course most people are completely in denial of the dangers and massive social impact of alcohol.
Ain’t we a bit off topic here?
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Either you are drunk, or on drugs.....or both.
Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
What planet are you on? And who do you work for?
Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
Again, don't mistake my point of view as being anti, because i'd be very interested to see it trialled over here, which is possible seeing as other countries are giving it a go.
I disagree. Having loads of 1st hand experience in all sorts of restrictions and black markets, due to the economic and political situation of where I've lived.
Make anything restricted and/or illegal, and the black market flourishes.
Make it legal, and easily bought/sold, the gangsters look for other ways of making quick money. Beating the "lower prices" is not their game - that's maybe a supermarket, or a good salesman, but not the black market way of thinking. In fact, they go out of their way to make sure that their product is not widely available and expensive (preferably having a monopoly on it).
I'd legalize it all, for 18+ aged people.
Interesting view on drugs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg)
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Carefully chosen angles Graham, you’re hiding it well. :)
Jealous?
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Jealous?
Nope, not at all.
Those are carefully chosen angles. I am sure of it. Considering your age, and taking into account the colour (or lack of it) of your hair, I have no doubt your bald patch is every bit as substantial as my own.
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Workplace drug policies promote the use of coke???
Because you can use coke at the weekend and pass a drug test nae bother on the Monday morning.
Smoke a joint or two at the weekend, and whilst you might be stoned, umm sorry, stone cold sober on Monday morning you'll fail a typical workplace drug test, and you'll still fail on Friday. If you don't smoke anything for two or three weeks you should generally, though there's no guarantee,by then be OK.
And of course it is a policy that works on the basis of guilty until proven innocent.
Whether you want to believe it or not, if cannabis or whatever drug for that matter gets legalized, street dealers will offer "better for cheaper". Simple competition, you'd be playing right into their hands, they won't just stop selling on the side because there are now legal places selling it.
I think the USA’s prohibition experience suggests otherwise. Though obviously, as we have found with tobacco, if the legal price is stupid high then people will turn to other sources.
The other thing that has happened, as a result of most western countries outlawing cannabis, is there is no control over the development of the drug. Genetically modified skunk can be a completely different beast to natural organic cannabis.
The war on drugs continues to work against all. Whilst of course most people are completely in denial of the dangers and massive social impact of alcohol.
Ain’t we a bit off topic here?
Erm, no not really, we're still discussing people with fucked up minds. It's all kind of relative.
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Those are carefully chosen angles. I am sure of it. Considering your age, and taking into account the colour (or lack of it) of your hair, I have no doubt your bald patch is every bit as substantial as my own.
Wrong.
The men in my family go grey early, but don't lose their hair.
https://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/graham/20180125_115721.jpg (https://www.affordable-leather.co.uk/graham/20180125_115721.jpg)
Feel free to apologise any time...
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Alright Grahamm , keep your hair on.
........oh you already have :rolleyes
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Alright Grahamm , keep your hair on.
........oh you already have :rolleyes
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Feel free to apologise any time...
Be honest with both us and yourself, you've photoshopped that, haven't you?
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Feel free to apologise any time...
Be honest with both us and yourself, you've photoshopped that, haven't you?
I'd love to carry on with this, but I have to trit-trot along now... :rolleyes
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Unfortunately time hasn't smiled so sweetly upon me as it has Grahamm :'( ................
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It's just to remind me what the number of the Emergency Services is...
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did they mean benders fluid??????