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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: darrsi on 17 April 2021, 08:15:28 am
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I normally buy SBS Ceramic rear pads for my bike, been using them for a while now, but i'm having trouble sourcing any at the moment.
I have found some decent priced OEM pads though, but can anyone tell me what compound they are as i can't seem to find any info on that either?
I like the Ceramic ones because they're not harsh on the disc at all and nowhere near as dusty as Organic, plus i've used them for years so know what they're all about so would preferably prefer to stay with them, but if the OEM ones aren't known to be harsh on the discs i'll give them a go instead.
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Gnasher is probably the person to ask about this, as he got me on SBS pads.
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Gnasher is probably the person to ask about this, as he got me on SBS pads.
Yeah, waiting for his response.
Not sure if they're discontinuing the Ceramic ones, shame if they are, but i don't remember having trouble getting any before now.
I have found them on the Demon Tweeks website but they won't have them for at least 14 days.
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I've actually found some now after a bit of messing around.
By pure chance i tried searching using a different browser and a company popped up that wasn't on the previous browser.
The set i wanted were SBS Ceramic 570HF and they were on there listed for a TZR250, but after a bit of research they actually fit 136 bikes so all is good.
They were cheaper too which was a bonus. 8)
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Demontweeks normally stock them or ebay.
To find SBS pad fittments, go for the number i.e Fazer front 634, rear 570 on their website, then scroll down and it will give you a list of all the bikes using the same pads. SBS OE fitment is front HS and rear HF. SBS pads are HF non sinter FF, HS sinter, SP = HH, listed as 'street'
Some stockist list pads say for an R1, FZS100, XJR1200/1300 etc but not, FZS600 but they're the same pads, but my not be the same rating i.e. HH for front not GG.
See here https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hs (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hs)
Pad ratings or letter codes are FF, GG, HH or HG, GH etc, each letter is a friction coefficient, 1st letter is 'cold' 2nd 'hot'. Fazer std is FF rear non sinter and GG front sinter, most production/street bikes are the same although a lot of pure sports bikes use HH sinter fronts, ceramic is non sinter.
Avoid RST listed as 'racing' these are really entry level track pads, they're not so good on cold/wet or in the wet until heated, DON'T ever fit their DC, DS-1 or 2, for street use, these are pure racing pads, they need to be hot before they work. i.e. you'll be hitting the first car in front of you as he stops, or you need to be braking twice the distance, I kid you not
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Demontweeks normally stock them or ebay.
To find SBS pad fittments, go for the number i.e Fazer front 634, rear 570 on their website, then scroll down and it will give you a list of all the bikes using the same pads. SBS OE fitment is front HS and rear HF. SBS pads are HF non sinter FF, HS sinter, SP = HH, listed as 'street'
Some stockist list pads say for an R1, FZS100, XJR1200/1300 etc but not, FZS600 but they're the same pads, but my not be the same rating i.e. HH for front not GG.
See here [url]https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hs[/url] ([url]https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hs[/url])
Pad ratings or letter codes are FF, GG, HH or HG, GH etc, each letter is a friction coefficient, 1st letter is 'cold' 2nd 'hot'. Fazer std is FF rear non sinter and GG front sinter, most production/street bikes are the same although a lot of pure sports bikes use HH sinter fronts, ceramic is non sinter.
Avoid RST listed as 'racing' these are really entry level track pads, they're not so good on cold/wet or in the wet until heated, DON'T ever fit their DC, DS-1 or 2, for street use, these are pure racing pads, they need to be hot before they work. i.e. you'll be hitting the first car in front of you as he stops, or you need to be braking twice the distance, I kid you not
It's the rear 570HF that i was after.
On Ebay they only had them from Italy, with daft postage costs, and Demon Tweeks were a minimum 14 day wait.
I had a good look around and was about to order the Demon Tweeks ones then had a brainwave and tried a search using a different browser and another company popped up so i bought their ones listed for a TZR250.
The 570HF rear pads fit 136 bikes and i found a page that confirmed the Fazer 600.
I've saved all the info for future reference.
These are the REAR pads i found if anyone else wants them, and they are compatible with all years of FZS 600 bikes (£22.82 delivered):
http://www.farkhamhall.co.uk/shop/yamaha-tzr250-rear-brake-pads-bz-570hf?search=570HF (http://www.farkhamhall.co.uk/shop/yamaha-tzr250-rear-brake-pads-bz-570hf?search=570HF)
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Out of interest though Gnasher, what compound are Yamaha OEM pads on the rear of 600's, i couldn't find that info out?
I found these if anyone wants them, i'm guessing that they're around half price?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3TJ-W0046-00-Genuine-Yamaha-Rear-Brake-Pads-XJR400-FZ400-FZR400-FZS600/154410905801?hash=item23f39b70c9:g:GhUAAOSw6FFgczwW (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3TJ-W0046-00-Genuine-Yamaha-Rear-Brake-Pads-XJR400-FZ400-FZR400-FZS600/154410905801?hash=item23f39b70c9:g:GhUAAOSw6FFgczwW)
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or ebay.
Once you know which SBS part number you need, you can hunt around. I got a set for my bandit 1250 dirt cheap of ebay.
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or ebay.
Once you know which SBS part number you need, you can hunt around. I got a set for my bandit 1250 dirt cheap of ebay.
Did you not read my posts? :lol Like i said as well, it was odd that doing a search using a different browser showed a new company option? It was the same Google search engine on both browsers too?
"...On Ebay they only had them from Italy, with daft postage costs, and Demon Tweeks were a minimum 14 day wait..."
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Out of interest though Gnasher, what compound are Yamaha OEM pads on the rear of 600's, i couldn't find that info out?
You didn't read my last now did you :rolleyes
Fazer std is FF rear non sinter
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Out of interest though Gnasher, what compound are Yamaha OEM pads on the rear of 600's, i couldn't find that info out?
You didn't read my last now did you :rolleyes
Fazer std is FF rear non sinter
You wrote "non sinter".
That means they're not sintered, so what are they then?
I know Ceramic comes under non sintered, but you weren't exactly clear what compound the OEM ones are?
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You wrote "non sinter".
That means they're not sintered, so what are they then?
I know Ceramic comes under non sintered, but you weren't exactly clear what compound the OEM ones are?
You didn't read it again, did you :rolleyes
Fazer std is FF rear non sinter
FF ;)
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You wrote "non sinter".
That means they're not sintered, so what are they then?
I know Ceramic comes under non sintered, but you weren't exactly clear what compound the OEM ones are?
You didn't read it again, did you :rolleyes
Fazer std is FF rear non sinter
FF ;)
I can read perfectly well actually, and as mentioned I've already purchased the Ceramic ones, so the answer i'm looking for is for everyone's benefit for now really, and maybe mine if they are even more difficult to find next time i need some.
From your own explanation FF is a heat rating, but you still haven't answered my question of what compound the rear OEM pads are? Saying "non sinter" is the equivalent to being asked the colour of something and answering "Not brown".
So in this particular case the rear OEM pads could be Ceramic (as you mentioned) or possibly Organic for example, of which neither are sintered, or "non sinter".
The main reason i want to know is because i am personally not a fan of Organic pads at all because of the dust they create that can cause caliper issues if they're not regularly maintained as well as people should do, which i would hazard a guess is more people rather than less.
As i saw those OEM pads for sale at a good price they would've been my next option, but if they're Organic then i would've started looking elsewhere.
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Did you not read my posts? :lol
yeah, dont just use google. Use other search engines, price comparison websites etc. I assume the part number is SBS 570HF (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf))?
Did a search for that make/pn -
£16 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849)
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I can read perfectly well actually, and as mentioned I've already purchased the Ceramic ones, so the answer i'm looking for is for everyone's benefit for now really, and maybe mine if they are even more difficult to find next time i need some.
Oh dear :rolleyes
There's 2 types of pad non sinter and sinter. The former (non sinter) is broken down into 2 levels of hardness, organic (soft) ceramic (harder), the latter should produce less dust, reduce disc wear and perform better. Some manufacturers use organic/ceramic as a name and/or mix in kevlar or other materials (EBC) and don't always tell you in the sales blurb, what rating the pad is, just its their OE replacement, albeit it will be stamped on the pad. Some will claim lower, wear, noise and increased performance for any given pad based on their tests etc. A lot of it is subjective at best, some utter distortion. Braking is stopping, but the how you stop is a personnel thing i.e. initial bite, progressive feel, lack of fade, outright stopping power and wear rates. It's these areas where lower rating and cheaper pads won't cut it, as it's all a trade off to achieve performance in road conditions. i.e. wet, cold, hot, weight of machine, riding styles etc. Racing/track is very different, SBS do rain pads, hot dry pads etc.
As with everything there's a range or spec for performance cheaper pads will be just in or on spec, some Chinese knock offs will not and are just bloody dangerous. Where as SBS and a few others, will easily exceed any given spec and they have a bigger range of pads for any given caliper.
If economy is paramount to you and your riding style reflects that, buy cheaper. Economy parts will work but not to the level top end will/do, if you change your riding style economy starts working against you. Some non-sinter pads eat discs, as do some sintered cheap ones, it's cheaper because it's lower spec, often you'll use more as well.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
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I can read perfectly well actually, and as mentioned I've already purchased the Ceramic ones, so the answer i'm looking for is for everyone's benefit for now really, and maybe mine if they are even more difficult to find next time i need some.
Oh dear :rolleyes
There's 2 types of pad non sinter and sinter. The former (non sinter) is broken down into 2 levels of hardness, organic (soft) ceramic (harder), the latter should produce less dust, reduce disc wear and perform better. Some manufacturers use organic/ceramic as a name and/or mix in kevlar or other materials (EBC) and don't always tell you in the sales blurb, what rating the pad is, just its their OE replacement, albeit it will be stamped on the pad. Some will claim lower, wear, noise and increased performance for any given pad based on their tests etc. A lot of it is subjective at best, some utter distortion. Braking is stopping, but the how you stop is a personnel thing i.e. initial bite, progressive feel, lack of fade, outright stopping power and wear rates. It's these areas where lower rating and cheaper pads won't cut it, as it's all a trade off to achieve performance in road conditions. i.e. wet, cold, hot, weight of machine, riding styles etc. Racing/track is very different, SBS do rain pads, hot dry pads etc.
As with everything there's a range or spec for performance cheaper pads will be just in or on spec, some Chinese knock offs will not and are just bloody dangerous. Where as SBS and a few others, will easily exceed any given spec and they have a bigger range of pads for any given caliper.
If economy is paramount to you and your riding style reflects that, buy cheaper. Economy parts will work but not to the level top end will/do, if you change your riding style economy starts working against you. Some non-sinter pads eat discs, as do some sintered cheap ones, it's cheaper because it's lower spec, often you'll use more as well.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Money/economy wasn't the issue, I just don't like Organic pads.
And it was the info that I was after which I just couldn't find, so cheers for the input.
I've used the SBS Ceramic pads for the last 2 or 3 times now, so i know exactly how they perform which is why I'd prefer to stick with them. I find them very sharp and responsive when used in traffic. Plus they're not harsh on the disc and the dust is way less than Organic pads create.
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Did you not read my posts? :lol
yeah, dont just use google. Use other search engines, price comparison websites etc. I assume the part number is SBS 570HF (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf))?
Did a search for that make/pn -
£16 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849)
I was after rear pads, these are front unfortunately.
Shame 'cos i would've bought them as well if they were rear ones at that price. :lol
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I was after rear pads, these are front.
Check the link to the SBS website above, its show the 570HF the FZS600 2001, rear -
- https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf)
The fronts in ceramic from the SBS website are -
- https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hf)
You never mention what bike its for, so from your profile I made the assumption it was for your 2001 FZS600?
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Did you not read my posts? :lol
yeah, dont just use google. Use other search engines, price comparison websites etc. I assume the part number is SBS 570HF (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf))?
Did a search for that make/pn -
£16 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849)
I was after rear pads, these are front unfortunately.
Shame 'cos i would've bought them as well if they were rear ones at that price. :lol
The links provided are for rear pads on the Fazer, they also fit other bikes but in a front application. As mentioned earlier use the number to search for the pad on SBS website and you get a full list of what other bike uses a pad, that could be front or rear. ;)
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I was after rear pads, these are front.
Check the link to the SBS website above, its show the 570HF the FZS600 2001, rear -
- https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf)
The fronts in ceramic from the SBS website are -
- https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/634hf)
You never mention what bike its for, so from your profile I made the assumption it was for your 2001 FZS600?
All the SBS website did was lead me towards Demon Tweeks who had a 14 day wait for supplies.
My bike, as per profile, is a 2000, but the pads would fit 98 - 03 anyway.
I put a link above where I ended up buying them from.
I don't ever remember having issues finding them before, which is making me wonder why?
Either people don't know much about them so don't buy them, or maybe they're being discontinued?
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Did you not read my posts? :lol
yeah, dont just use google. Use other search engines, price comparison websites etc. I assume the part number is SBS 570HF (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf (https://www.sbs.dk/products-1/brake-pads/570hf))?
Did a search for that make/pn -
£16 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SBS-570HF-Front-Ceramic-Brake-Pads-Yamaha-RD-350-TZR-125-SRX-LC-TDR-XJ-FZ-YPVS/274630881324?epid=1317403849)
I was after rear pads, these are front unfortunately.
Shame 'cos i would've bought them as well if they were rear ones at that price. :lol
The links provided are for rear pads :rolleyes
Enough of the :rolleyes , can you not just be civil for once?
I was looking at the package description and also the advert description.
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Am I wrong, or does that not say front?
Irrespective of the model number, I wouldn't buy from that advert due to the description.
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As mentioned earlier use the number to search for the pad on SBS website and you get a full list of what other bike uses a pad, that could be front or rear. As calipers improve over the years, fronts tend to get relegated to rear applications, as the Fazer rear was once top dog on RD, TZRs etc back in the day.
Perhaps you need to read things thoroughly, before going off half cocked ;)
I'm bored with this now.
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I recently bought new pads for the Kawasaki and couldn't see SBS anywhere. My last lot I bought from the NEC bike show and were really good but none of the main online bike stores seemed to sell them these days. I wonder why 🤔
Main options are always EBC, Brembo or Goldfren, Although I've never wanted to trust Goldfren as they are stupidly cheap (I think less that £30 for a full set of front and back!)
I've just gone with sintered EBC as I thought they were the best for fast road riding 🤔🤷♂️
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As mentioned earlier use the number to search for the pad on SBS website and you get a full list of what other bike uses a pad, that could be front or rear.
Perhaps you need to read things thoroughly, before going off half cocked ;)
I'm bored with this now.
I know what you're saying, but WHY would anyone buy pads from an advert that says FRONT, when you want REAR?
I'm bored with your sarcasm to be fair, so no need to answer anymore.
I came on here after I'd spent time on the Internet thinking I'd get some straightforward answers but it's turned into a complete shambles with attitude.
No need......
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I recently bought new pads for the Kawasaki and couldn't see SBS anywhere. My last lot I bought from the NEC bike show and were really good but none of the main online bike stores seemed to sell them these days. I wonder why 🤔
Main options are always EBC, Brembo or Goldfren, Although I've never wanted to trust Goldfren as they are stupidly cheap (I think less that £30 for a full set of front and back!)
I've just gone with sintered EBC as I thought they were the best for fast road riding 🤔🤷♂️
Bigger profit margins ;)
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I got mine from here, but through their eBay shop
http://www.bits4motorbikes.co.uk/Brakes/MotorBikeBrakePadsAndShoes.html?MotorbikeID=6367 (http://www.bits4motorbikes.co.uk/Brakes/MotorBikeBrakePadsAndShoes.html?MotorbikeID=6367)
[Link edited to stop it appearing in microscopic text! GrahamM - Moderator]
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I recently bought new pads for the Kawasaki and couldn't see SBS anywhere. My last lot I bought from the NEC bike show and were really good but none of the main online bike stores seemed to sell them these days. I wonder why 🤔
Main options are always EBC, Brembo or Goldfren, Although I've never wanted to trust Goldfren as they are stupidly cheap (I think less that £30 for a full set of front and back!)
I've just gone with sintered EBC as I thought they were the best for fast road riding 🤔🤷♂️
Tried Goldfren about 30 years ago.
Once was enough.
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Tried Goldfren about 30 years ago, once was enough.
Indeed, these pads are only really any good for small light weight motorcycles.
Am I wrong, or does that not say front?Irrespective of the model number, I wouldn't buy from that advert due to the description.
Its does, but check the bike its for, that why its says front. At the end of the day it does-not-matter, as long as the part/model number matches you are good-to-go!
Moving this thread this the FZS600 section.
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I know what you're saying, but WHY would anyone buy pads from an advert that says FRONT, when you want REAR?
I'm bored with your sarcasm to be fair, so no need to answer anymore.
I came on here after I'd spent time on the Internet thinking I'd get some straightforward answers but it's turned into a complete shambles with attitude.
No need......
As per your request, I informed you in the first post I made to
To find SBS pad fittments, go for the number i.e Fazer front 634, rear 570 on their website, then scroll down and it will give you a list of all the bikes using the same pads.
That fact you can't understand that a part No, is just that a part No and it (the part) doesn't know whether it's going on a front or rear caliper.
It's neither mine or anybody else's fault, just yours. Instead of just saying cheers, thank you, or just nothing. You've dug your own hole, going deeper and deeper with every post, again not anyone else's doing, just yours, due to your lack of understanding.
Finding SBS pads is easy, as clearly demonstrated by the links sent to you by b1k3rdude, why you've had such problems, I couldn't possibly comment and is a matter for yourself.
As for sarcasm, I think you'd do well to look at your own posts, before going off half cocked, again. :rolleyes
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I know what you're saying, but WHY would anyone buy pads from an advert that says FRONT, when you want REAR?
I'm bored with your sarcasm to be fair, so no need to answer anymore.
I came on here after I'd spent time on the Internet thinking I'd get some straightforward answers but it's turned into a complete shambles with attitude.
No need......
As per your request, I informed you in the first post I made to
To find SBS pad fittments, go for the number i.e Fazer front 634, rear 570 on their website, then scroll down and it will give you a list of all the bikes using the same pads.
That fact you can't understand that a part No, is just that a part No and it (the part) doesn't know whether it's going on a front or rear caliper.
It's neither mine or anybody else's fault, just yours. Instead of just saying cheers, thank you, or just nothing. You've dug your own hole, going deeper and deeper with every post, again not anyone else's doing, just yours, due to your lack of understanding.
Finding SBS pads is easy, as clearly demonstrated by the links sent to you by b1k3rdude, why you've had such problems, I couldn't possibly comment and is a matter for yourself.
As for sarcasm, I think you'd do well to look at your own posts, before going off half cocked, again. :rolleyes
Was hardly the crime of the century looking for pads for MY bike was it?
What's "funny" about this post is the fact you still haven't directly answered my question, which would have been the much easier option?
By the sounds of things you had 3 options, Organic, Ceramic or "I'm not sure" which i would've been absolutely fine with, but now you have turned the whole post into something that people don't really want to read, they just want plain and simple info, but now they'll have to wade through all your negative sniping.
The heat ratings and all that were welcomed, i learned something there and appreciate that, but a simple brush up on your social skills wouldn't go amiss because not for the first time you've come across as unnecessarily bolshy and downright rude.
No need to respond anymore as this post is done, in fact i even bought the set found by Bikerdude as well, so i'm all padded up for quite a while now.
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I can't help you any further I'm very sorry and going forward that will always now be the case.
Total lack of understanding. :z
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I can't help you any further I'm very sorry and going forward that will always now be the case.
Total lack of understanding. :z
Absolutely fine by me, no need to get involved in any of my posts whatsoever. :thumbup
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Morning, advice was asked for and given, locking thread.
Its nice and sunny out, go for ride.