after speaking to my lad, it is now clear that its about a pay and display ticket.......he got one but it must have blown off the dash as he closed the door (I thought this was a load of bollox until it happened to me the other week and I actually saw it and corrected it)
they've said he owes £100 for failing to display on private land, here's the email reply to my lad with a few links removed, very scaremongering but bottom line is its private property so do we pay or ignore it?.
below is the reply from the Co. Parking Ticketing Limited, to my son, I don't know what his original email contained and they haven't included it in their reply
Thank you for your letter of appeal against the Parking Charge Notice issued under the terms of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
There are Warning Signs situated on the site that state; Warning, Private Property, vehicles parked in this area must clearly display a valid PTL pay and display ticket in the windscreen. Failure to comply will result in the vehicle being issued with a Parking Charge Notice without any notice given. Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you and the Warden we have decided to reject your appeal for the reason below.
As the vehicle was parked without a valid pay and display ticket in the windscreen, (having checked photographs of when the vehicle was issued with the PCN), you can view the photographic evidence yourself online at
www.payptl.co.uk ) as clearly stated on the warning signs, the vehicle was issued with a Parking Charge Notice.
We can only advise that when leaving your vehicle that you check to ensure that the ticket is correctly displayed for inspection as the warden must be able to easily see all details, these may include dates, location numbers and security features to ensure it is valid and not a copy.
We appreciate that you purchased the pay and display ticket but the ticket was not visible and therefore the warden could not check and confirm that the vehicle was permitted to park there.
We are sorry but we won’t be accepting your appeal on this occasion as the warden acted accordingly to the signage at the location.
We are not able to take into account mitigating circumstances. That an appellant feels he or she had good reason for breaching the terms of parking is not a reason for which we can allow an appeal. When parking on private land, a motorist freely enters into an agreement to abide by the conditions of parking in return for permission to park. It is the motorist’s responsibility to ensure that he or she abides by any clearly displayed conditions of parking that are clearly displayed on the signs.
The PCN is for Damages & Terrorem (click here for Supreme Court Ruling https: // www. supremecourt. uk/cases/docs/uksc-2013-0280-judgment. pdf ) Therefore falls outside “The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999” and falls also outside Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss.
The responsibility to observe and obey parking restrictions is yours and as we operated correctly in this
instance due to the vehicle being incorrectly parked we will not be accepting your appeal, on this occasion.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure.
Due to above you appeal is refused, you now have the following options:
1 Pay the PCN at the prevailing price of £60 within 14 days of above date. Please note that after this time the discounted rate will no longer apply and the Parking Charge Notice will rise to £100.
2 Make an appeal to POPLA-Independent Appeals Service within 28 days by visiting www .popla .co.uk and completing the appeal form online quoting POPLA appeal reference XXXXXXXXXXXXXX . If you prefer to complete your appeal in writing please contact Parking Ticketing Ltd on 0845 689 45 45 to request the POPLA appeal forms.
3 Please be advised that if you opt for independent arbitration of your case, the ability to pay the parking charge at the reduced rate of £60 will be at an end, the full charge of £100.00 will be payable should your appeal be unsuccessful. If you opt to pay the parking charge you will be unable to appeal to POPLA. Please visit
www.ptlappeals.co.uk/refused appeals. to view other motorists’ appeals to POPLA against ourselves that were refused for various appeal reasons, meaning the discounted rate of £60 no longer applied and the PCN was at the original full cost of £100.
4 If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures which will lead to costs being added to the original charge of £100 and we may proceed with Court action against you. Please visit
www.ptlappeals.co.uk/county-court to view County Court Judgments where we have been successful in obtaining judgment for non-payment of the PCN costing the defendant at least 3 times the original amount of the original £60 PCN. We do not enter into multiple appeals.
Yours sincerely
Appeals Dept.
Pay On-line:
www.payptl.co.uk Phone Pay: 0844 848 0814
By law we are also required to inform you that Ombudsman Services (
www.ombudsman-services.org/) provides an alternative dispute resolution service that would be competent to deal with your appeal. However, we have not chosen to participate in their alternative dispute resolution service. As such should you wish to appeal then you must do so to POPLA as explained above
