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General => General => Topic started by: YamFazFan on 20 December 2017, 10:25:12 am
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If you're sat at a red light and an emergency vehicle comes up behind you with lights flashing and siren sounding, is it against the law to cross the red light in order to allow the vehicle to proceed?.
Just observed such a situation.
The car driver was reluctant to cross the red light, but was intimidated to do so by all the surrounding drivers hooting at him.
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My understanding is the driver would be breaking the law going across the white line against a red traffic light unless instructed to do so by a uniformed police officer / traffic warden.
Having said that if it was safe then I would probably cross the white line to let a vehicle through on Blues and Twos
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My understanding is the driver would be breaking the law going across the white line against a red traffic light unless instructed to do so by a uniformed police officer / traffic warden.
Having said that if it was safe then I would probably cross the white line to let a vehicle through on Blues and Twos
What about ones that are covered by a camera
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It is against the law to cross the stop line at a red light. FULL STOP. Only if directed to do so by the police can you legally do so. Them sitting a few cars back on blues/twos is not them telling you to do so.
That's said, common sense prevails and if it is safe to do so and there isn't a camera about, I would pull forwards and to the side to let them past.
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I've read a lot over the years about people moving into bus lanes to let emergency vehicles pass, then they've received a ticket in the post with a fine.
Bit harsh I reckon, as it is an emergency situation and is not done for your own gain.
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Yes it is harsh. It's instinctive to pull out of the way isn't it.
How would you prove you'd moved over for an ambulance and is there any exemption for that anyway. Very much doubt it.
They just love fining people at every opportunity nowadays.
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It’s just the thought of standing your ground not breaking the law versus risking someones life.
No way people should be fined for common sense.
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I've read a lot over the years about people moving into bus lanes to let emergency vehicles pass, then they've received a ticket in the post with a fine.
Bit harsh I reckon, as it is an emergency situation and is not done for your own gain.
I have been told that even blue light drivers if they go through a red light with a camera fitted have to prove they were on a 999 call via logs etc otherwise the driver can get fined!
(normally sorted out at a higher level than the driver themselves!)
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Interesting points of view, I wonder however why that person has stopped at the lights in such a position that they had to move over if an emergency vehicle should appear. Why hadn't they considered this when stopping, does no-one plan ahead any more?
As for legality, I wouldn't care if I got a ticket, someones life could be on the line. If you have a dashcam (who hasn't these days) it should be easy to argue the case.
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Here’s another one for you to ponder, as it happened to me AGAIN tonight.
What do you do when you can blatantly see that the lights are stuck on red?
This has happened to me about 8 times now at the same lights, over the years, and you can probably guess what i do.....but what are you meant to do???
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Interesting points of view, I wonder however why that person has stopped at the lights in such a position that they had to move over if an emergency vehicle should appear. Why hadn't they considered this when stopping, does no-one plan ahead any more?
Thats easy to explain - you were already stopped at the stop line before the emergency vehicle appeared.
How exactly is the red light camera triggered anyway
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It is against the law to cross the stop line at a red light. FULL STOP. Only if directed to do so by the police can you legally do so. Them sitting a few cars back on blues/twos is not them telling you to do so.
That's said, common sense prevails and if it is safe to do so and there isn't a camera about, I would pull forwards and to the side to let them past.
This is exactly how I understand it.
I'm not sure I could sit there and not move out of the way whether or not there was a camera about to send me a ticket.
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Interesting points of view, I wonder however why that person has stopped at the lights in such a position that they had to move over if an emergency vehicle should appear. Why hadn't they considered this when stopping, does no-one plan ahead any more?
Thats easy to explain - you were already stopped at the stop line before the emergency vehicle appeared.
How exactly is the red light camera triggered anyway
So you are saying that when you (the global you, not you personally) approach a set of light or other junction, you just stop wherever you happen to be in your lane?
You don't check your mirrors and assess the traffic around you and position your vehicle accordingly before stopping?
Whether there is an emergency vehicle around or not why would you position your vehicle in such a way as to prevent one from passing if necessary?
How many times have you been filtering and come up against two cars tight up against the lane divider and you have to stop and wait for them to move or make them aware of your presence. They aren't moving and gain nothing from it. It's just lack of forward planning and lack of consideration for other road users.
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So you are saying that when you (the global you, not you personally) approach a set of light or other junction, you just stop wherever you happen to be in your lane?
You don't check your mirrors and assess the traffic around you and position your vehicle accordingly before stopping?
Whether there is an emergency vehicle around or not why would you position your vehicle in such a way as to prevent one from passing if necessary?
How many times have you been filtering and come up against two cars tight up against the lane divider and you have to stop and wait for them to move or make them aware of your presence. They aren't moving and gain nothing from it. It's just lack of forward planning and lack of consideration for other road users.
Unless you've already seen/heard the emergency vehicle coming, and have time to hang back a bit, everyone pulls up at the white line by the lights don't they?.
In a car you don't have a lot of leeway either side to let an ambulance through if they can't use the opposing carriageway do you.
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Interesting points of view, I wonder however why that person has stopped at the lights in such a position that they had to move over if an emergency vehicle should appear. Why hadn't they considered this when stopping, does no-one plan ahead any more?
Thats easy to explain - you were already stopped at the stop line before the emergency vehicle appeared.
How exactly is the red light camera triggered anyway
So you are saying that when you (the global you, not you personally) approach a set of light or other junction, you just stop wherever you happen to be in your lane?
You don't check your mirrors and assess the traffic around you and position your vehicle accordingly before stopping?
Whether there is an emergency vehicle around or not why would you position your vehicle in such a way as to prevent one from passing if necessary?
How many times have you been filtering and come up against two cars tight up against the lane divider and you have to stop and wait for them to move or make them aware of your presence. They aren't moving and gain nothing from it. It's just lack of forward planning and lack of consideration for other road users.
Sorry I was referring to being in a car, so no room to "position" other than stopping a cars length before the stop line which is what I would do to give me options when in the car if I see blues approaching from behind,
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I'm not sure I could sit there and not move out of the way whether or not there was a camera about to send me a ticket.
I suspect most people feel that way, but in that case they should frame the law in such a way that you don't get a ticket simply for being a good citizen.
Financial punishment for just doing a good turn seems like injustice to me :rolleyes
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You lot obviously live in a different world.
In my area you fight your way to the front of the half mile traffic and plonk yourself in front of the lead car at the lights.
Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
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You lot obviously live in a different world.
In my area you fight your way to the front of the half mile traffic and plonk yourself in front of the lead car at the lights.
Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
Well said.
That's the reality of how it is most of the time in these situations.
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You lot obviously live in a different world.
In my area you fight your way to the front of the half mile traffic and plonk yourself in front of the lead car at the lights.
Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
Well said.
That's the reality of how it is most of the time in these situations.
Also, if you stop at the white line, or before the cycle area, 5 other motorbikes will jump in front of you :lol
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If you're sat at a red light and an emergency vehicle comes up behind you with lights flashing and siren sounding, is it against the law to cross the red light in order to allow the vehicle to proceed?.
The simple answer is "Yes".
Unless you are directed to cross a stop line by a Police Officer in uniform, it's illegal to cross the Stop line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btRHvQEIkcU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btRHvQEIkcU)
Having said that, a lot of people do it, although some areas are bloody-minded enough to fine you for doing so...
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driving-advice/fined-for-moving-out-of-the-way-of-an-ambulance/ (https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/driving-advice/fined-for-moving-out-of-the-way-of-an-ambulance/)
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You lot obviously live in a different world.
In my area you fight your way to the front of the half mile traffic and plonk yourself in front of the lead car at the lights.
Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
Well said.
That's the reality of how it is most of the time in these situations.
Also, if you stop at the white line, or before the cycle area, 5 other scooters will jump in front of you :lol
Fixed that for you :D
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My understanding is the driver would be breaking the law going across the white line against a red traffic light unless instructed to do so by a uniformed police officer / traffic warden.
Having said that if it was safe then I would probably cross the white line to let a vehicle through on Blues and Twos
What about ones that are covered by a camera
I have done and would still do in both car and on bike using cautiously and safely. any camera's would pick up the emergency vehicle crossing as well so I'd have my reason to appeal any fine
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If it were inevitable that I was going to receive a fine then they can wait.
Surely they wouldn't want you to cross a red light if it's illegal.
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Blue light drivers are trained to not intimiadate car drivers into breaking the law in order for them to get through, as for the public, well they can intimidate all they like :lol
Blue light drivers aren't allowed to drive through a red light and expect everyone to just stop or move out of their way, I think the wording is; they can treat a red light as a give way.
Isn't it a shame in today's society where we are questioning if we would move out the way for an emergency vehicle due to scameras. It would be interesting to see how many times people do get a fine for this and if they are successful in appeal. Surely common sense over coffers should prevail as long as it's safe to do so and you don't leave yourself stranded in the middle of the junction causing an obstruction, or keep going and properly jump the light.
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Surely common sense over coffers should prevail
Not when there's yet another opportunity to relieve the general public of their hard earned and remind us whose boss it doesn't.
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Anyone on blues uses the other side of the road, or wherever they please to go past you, there are no niceties about it, they just aim to get to the destination regardless.
Only where they can Darrsi. In some places round here the traffic lights are on dual carriageways that have a central barrier preventing them from doing this. Even the bus lanes are stupid guided bus jobs meaning there's a kerb preventing people (or the emergency vehicle) getting into it.
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Even the bus lanes are stupid guided bus jobs meaning there's a kerb preventing people (or the emergency vehicle) getting into it.
Is that the Luton busway?.
We've got one in Cambridge. It went massively over budget and behind schedule.
The County council and the contractor are still wrangling over it years later.
Cars regularly get stuck in the traps that are designed to stop them driving up it.
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Even the bus lanes are stupid guided bus jobs meaning there's a kerb preventing people (or the emergency vehicle) getting into it.
Is that the Luton busway?.
We've got one in Cambridge. It went massively over budget and behind schedule.
No, Crawley Fastway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastway_(bus_rapid_transit))
Same thing though, massively over budget and behind schedule. Has kerbs for about 200m and then a normal bus lane. Means all the normal busses have to pull out into the traffic and back into the bus lane again afterwards. Complete farce.
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If it were inevitable that I was going to receive a fine then they can wait.
Surely they wouldn't want you to cross a red light if it's illegal.
You know they could be responding to medical emergencies right? Someone living or dying could depend on them getting there in time. If it was you or one of your family members having a heart attack or a stroke or choking to death or bleeding to death would you want people to move out of the way or just sit there blocking help? Move out of the way
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Just happened down here in Pompy all cars moved out the way & front car went over white line, as you say it may be me in the back one day!!
having said that I was taught to leave enough space in front to be able to manoeuvre around the car in front in. still drive like that , we called it Northern Ireland Driving technique!! lol
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I have done and would still do in both car and on bike using cautiously and safely. any camera's would pick up the emergency vehicle crossing as well so I'd have my reason to appeal any fine
I think that the cameras take two pictures 1/2 second apart and the second picture will show that you were moving so by the time the blues get to your position you have had your picture and the bill is already in the post.
I would move over the line every time so long as there was no camera.
I always thought that traffic lights had a sensor on them that sees the blues and changes the light to green - or is that an urban myth.
The issue with going over the line is that when there is a que of traffic there is enough room to pull over but they cant because of the gap infront is not big enough so the one at the frount needs to move up a bit and over the line to give everyone else room to move over.
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having said that I was taught to leave enough space in front to be able to manoeuvre around the car in front in. still drive like that , we called it Northern Ireland Driving technique!! lol
Yes very easy on a bike but not so easy in a car and if everyone did that 1/2 mile of traffic would be 2 miles
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You know they could be responding to medical emergencies right? Someone living or dying could depend on them getting there in time. If it was you or one of your family members having a heart attack or a stroke or choking to death or bleeding to death would you want people to move out of the way or just sit there blocking help? Move out of the way
Then they should alter the law so that there's no chance of people receiving a fine for doing the right thing.
If my reward for doing a good turn is a fine and/or points, I ain't shifting I'm afraid.
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One point that hasn't been mentioned is the high possibility of the car driver, who lets remember isn't trained in safely crossing a red light such as the emergency services are, actually CAUSING an additional emergency situation by coliding with another vehicle.
It's an illegal manoeuvre.
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You know they could be responding to medical emergencies right? Someone living or dying could depend on them getting there in time. If it was you or one of your family members having a heart attack or a stroke or choking to death or bleeding to death would you want people to move out of the way or just sit there blocking help? Move out of the way
Then they should alter the law so that there's no chance of people receiving a fine for doing the right thing.
If my reward for doing a good turn is a fine and/or points, I ain't shifting I'm afraid.
They should alter the law but that doesn't make sitting there right. Hopefully your decision doesn't cost someone their life. If you got pictured going through a red for moving there would most likely be a picture of the ambulance going through the same red a few moments later so it wouldn't take the world's greatest lawyer to appeal the ticket
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They should alter the law but that doesn't make sitting there right. Hopefully your decision doesn't cost someone their life. If you got pictured going through a red for moving there would most likely be a picture of the ambulance going through the same red a few moments later so it wouldn't take the world's greatest lawyer to appeal the ticket
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Sitting there is right in the eyes of the law though. They clearly haven't been swayed enough by the morality of the issue to alter it have they. I wish they had.
You can only speculate on the nature of the emergency they are travelling to.
I'd be gutted if I found out later on that they'd gone to the aid of a burgler, or such like, stuck on the remains of someone's window he's just smashed and I'd copped a fine for that trash.
I'd definitely want a refund then.
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Sorry Dudeness, messed the quote bit up there and my post has appeared inside yours.
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Well if you were in trouble YamFazFan I'd move out of the way and take the ticket and let help get to you. Hopefully you'd do the same for me or anyone else. It's as simple as that.
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Obviously I'm always giving way and pulling over for emergency vehicles and if i knew there would be no punishment for doing so I expect I'd nip over the white line to help them on their way.
But I'm not paying for the privilege of helping them out.
Naturally Fazer owners are a special case!😉.
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How far ahead does the camera detect a 'pass'? Is it not possible to move enough ahead without triggering the camera?
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They should alter the law but that doesn't make sitting there right. Hopefully your decision doesn't cost someone their life. If you got pictured going through a red for moving there would most likely be a picture of the ambulance going through the same red a few moments later so it wouldn't take the world's greatest lawyer to appeal the ticket
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Sitting there is right in the eyes of the law though. They clearly haven't been swayed enough by the morality of the issue to alter it have they. I wish they had.
You can only speculate on the nature of the emergency they are travelling to.
I'd be gutted if I found out later on that they'd gone to the aid of a burgler, or such like, stuck on the remains of someone's window he's just smashed and I'd copped a fine for that trash.
I'd definitely want a refund then.
If i had the knowledge they were racing to the aid of a burglar i would not be in any particular hurry to move or chance a fine, and hope the fucker suffers in the mean time
I don’t like burglars......scum of the earth.
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Many years ago when driving into Heathrow central area I was going through the tunnel in the outside lane, as I needed to turn right into the central carpark, when a police car came screaming up behind me on blues and twos. Now in the preceeding weeks they had been enthusiastically fining drivers for crossing the double white lines that run through the tunnel so I held my position.
I could see the occupants having a heated discussion, presumably about my driving, but I was not going to risk a fine for crossing the doubles and anyway the nearside lane was clear. The police car then started furiously flashing his lights so I assumed he wanted me to stop, which is what I did. Only then did the "highly trained" drivers behind seem to grasp the reason for my actions and drove around me, which they could easily have done earlier.
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Only then did the "highly trained" drivers behind seem to grasp the reason for my actions and drove around me, which they could easily have done earlier.
There is nothing "highly trained" about your average panda driver.
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Only then did the "highly trained" drivers behind seem to grasp the reason for my actions and drove around me, which they could easily have done earlier.
There is nothing "highly trained" about your average panda driver.
This is very true....
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If i had the knowledge they were racing to the aid of a burglar i would not be in any particular hurry to move or chance a fine, and hope the fucker suffers in the mean time
I don’t like burglars......scum of the earth.
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You're not wrong darrsi.
We've been burgled twice over the years.
The last time they took items that were of little monetary value, but great sentimental value as they originally belonged to my deceased Grandmother.
I'd happily pay them double to have them back.
These people are rotten to the core and the dregs of humanity.
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There is nothing "highly trained" about your average panda driver.
Damn right. nearly got t-boned in my local Morrison's car park a few months ago by some plod far more interested on talking to the WPC next to him than looking for other vehicles as he pulled out. Looked V. sheepish afterwards though.. :lol
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Well if you were in trouble YamFazFan I'd move out of the way and take the ticket and let help get to you. Hopefully you'd do the same for me or anyone else. It's as simple as that.
Hey Dudeness we are talking about YamFazFan here, if he was in trouble the majority in here would reverse back up and try and run over him again, it's only fair. :lol
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Well if you were in trouble YamFazFan I'd move out of the way and take the ticket and let help get to you. Hopefully you'd do the same for me or anyone else. It's as simple as that.
Hey Dudeness we are talking about YamFazFan here, if he was in trouble the majority in here would reverse back up and try and run over him again, it's only fair. :lol
Hold on!, how did I did suddenly get lumbered with that reputation!?. I've only disagreed on one issue! :finger :lol
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God son failed his 1st driving test crossing the white line at a red light moving for a popo car.
Examiner said it was bad luck and common sense to move but also against the law.
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God son failed his 1st driving test crossing the white line at a red light moving for a popo car.
Examiner said it was bad luck and common sense to move but also against the law.
Rather harsh, you'd think they'd let that one slide?
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God son failed his 1st driving test crossing the white line at a red light moving for a popo car.
Examiner said it was bad luck and common sense to move but also against the law.
Rather harsh, you'd think they'd let that one slide?
Unfortunately they can't, otherwise the Examiner could have lost his job.
The law on this really needs fixing, but there just isn't the desire or impetus to do anything about it at the moment :(
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God son failed his 1st driving test crossing the white line at a red light moving for a popo car.
Examiner said it was bad luck and common sense to move but also against the law.
Rather harsh, you'd think they'd let that one slide?
Unfortunately they can't, otherwise the Examiner could have lost his job.
The law on this really needs fixing, but there just isn't the desire or impetus to do anything about it at the moment :(
Exactly.
I think the law needs altering too.
But that is how the law stands at the present time and anyone urging people to do different is encouraging law breaking. Simple :)
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As a blue light driver I don't expect anyone to put them selves at risk for me to get through - crossing a red light is a big risk !
The one thing we want is drivers to be predictable in their reaction to us - often we will kill the horns as we approach if we can see it is gridlocked ahead - we also will inform control that we are making slow progress which will often prompt a duel turn out.
Its a bad bit of blue light driving if you fly up to a block of stationary traffic and sit there with all the sound on expecting everyone to shift for you - there are often better ways to get through gridlocked city junctions.
No good blue light driver should expect you to put your self at risk, break the law or even damage your vehicle by bumping up the kerb to let them through.
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It is illegal to go through a red traffic light no matter what.
However it is usually allowed to slide if you are making way for emergency vehicles if they are using their lights and or sirens (not sure about the doctors with their green lights but would assume the same)
More of an issue with traffic light cameras but I use a crash cam so hope that would show why I went through or partially trough a red ATL. Also if the camera takes your photo then it should also take the emergency vehicles picture so they would also have proof of the vehicle and that it was on "blues and two's" while crossing a red light.
IMHO that is
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It is illegal to go through a red traffic light no matter what.
However it is usually allowed to slide if you are making way for emergency vehicles if they are using their lights and or sirens (not sure about the doctors with their green lights but would assume the same)
More of an issue with traffic light cameras but I use a crash cam so hope that would show why I went through or partially trough a red ATL. Also if the camera takes your photo then it should also take the emergency vehicles picture so they would also have proof of the vehicle and that it was on "blues and two's" while crossing a red light.
IMHO that is
Nobody answered my previous question before so i'll ask again?
What exactly are you s'posed to do when the lights are stuck on red??
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Nobody answered my previous question before so i'll ask again?
What exactly are you s'posed to do when the lights are stuck on red??
As far as I'm aware it's still illegal to cross a red light, even in those circumstances.
So unless in the case of a motorcycle you could legally wheel it around the offending light, I guess you'd have to find an alternative route.
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There has been an article in MCN recently saying that it is even illegal to push a motorcycle across, (not along, but across) a pavement if it does not have road side drop kerbs, drop kerbs constitute a right of passage for a motor vehicle, as in someone driveway.
I am assuming that Motor Cycle News know what they are on about.
Pavements are for pedestrians, Bus lanes are for buses, if you go on to either of them you could be prosecuted, no matter what the circumstances,
Just as Red Light means stop, being bullied or coerced into crossing the white line at a red stop light by a emergency vehicle is no excuse in law, you are responsible for your actions, cross a red light and be caught on camera or seen by a heartless officer you will be prosecuted.
The Highway Code states that a red light means stop.
So I guess you should not proceed until a green light is showing, proceed on a red at your peril, there are people who have that right of way travelling at 90 degrees to you, take one of them out and someone loses their life it is death by dangerous driving.
My understanding is if an ambulance, Fire Engine, Police car takes out a car by crossing on a red he will be prosecuted also. The law does allow an emergency vehicle to cross red light, but the rule is proceed with caution, take a car out then there was no caution and therefore it's dangerous driving.
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No red lights on this journey but was I breaking the law?
NO MOT
NO INSURANCE
NO TAX
NO FRONT BRAKE
SPEEDOMETER CABLE BROKEN
SOFT/PUNCTURED FRONT TYRE
VEHICLE NOT REGISTERED IN MY NAME.
Pushing just purchased C90 home, 1.5 mile push, Mrs tommyardin helped push and took photo, Bless her :lol
Soft front tyre made it a bugger to push. :o
I was dressed for the task though :lol
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So unless in the case of a motorcycle you could legally wheel it around the offending light
I mean if it's legal in the particular circumstance, not stating that I believe it definitely would be.
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A bike mechanic friend once told me that the Honda C90's were the most reliable machines they worked on back in the day.
He said pretty much the only issue they came up against was when customers attempting a home service mistakenly removed the cam chain tensioner bolt instead of the oil drain one.
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Nobody answered my previous question before so i'll ask again?
What exactly are you s'posed to do when the lights are stuck on red??
As far as I'm aware it's still illegal to cross a red light, even in those circumstances.
So unless in the case of a motorcycle you could legally wheel it around the offending light, I guess you'd have to find an alternative route.
This is my point, near my work there's a set of lights where this has happened to me about 8 times now.
I'm generally stuffed, just sitting there watching all the other lights keep changing other than the one i'm looking at, the traffic (near the A40) takes minutes to become a major tailback, and it's illegal to use a phone whilst driving.
Fooked.....
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/derby/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8741000/8741601.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/derby/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8741000/8741601.stm)
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That BBC article makes perfect common sense to me. It would be ridiculous to expect motorists to sit there all day when there's clearly a fault with the lights.
But at the same time the authorities have got to show common sense and not fine those drivers for doing so.
That's my exact same gripe with crossing the white line at a red light to allow an ambulance to proceed. Not the action of doing so, but the draconian punishment that may follow doing what seems the common sense thing.
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I have been in this situation especially when I know the lights and know the order of when mine should be green. So I have sat there and watched the sequence go through 2 or 3 times and each time missing out my lights and yet there was the gap when everyone elses lights were on red which is when mine should be on green.
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I have been in this situation especially when I know the lights and know the order of when mine should be green. So I have sat there and watched the sequence go through 2 or 3 times and each time missing out my lights and yet there was the gap when everyone elses lights were on red which is when mine should be on green.
That sounds like a fault to me, but there's a couple of junctions round this way that are set so that drivers turning right don't get a green light every single time all the lights go through their phases.
I think they are deliberately set that way if they think it's not a busy turning aren't they?.
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There has been an article in MCN recently saying that it is even illegal to push a motorcycle across, (not along, but across) a pavement if it does not have road side drop kerbs, drop kerbs constitute a right of passage for a motor vehicle, as in someone driveway.
I am assuming that Motor Cycle News know what they are on about.
There's an article from a motorcycle solicitors here about riding on the pavement: https://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-blog/2017/03/can-ride-pavement/ (https://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-blog/2017/03/can-ride-pavement/)
If you keep it short and don't act like a twat, you'll probably be ok.
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If you keep it short and don't act like a twat, you'll probably be ok.
.....so long as you are doing it in order to reach a parking place according to the article. That would preclude doing so in order to dodge a faulty traffic light.
I'd love to see someone who genuinely is riding a short way on the pavement to reach a parking space, trying to explain that it is in fact a legal manoeuvre to the copper that's just nicked them :lol
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I have been in this situation especially when I know the lights and know the order of when mine should be green. So I have sat there and watched the sequence go through 2 or 3 times and each time missing out my lights and yet there was the gap when everyone elses lights were on red which is when mine should be on green.
At the crossroads i keep getting caught out at, my lights aren't part of the normal sequence, they just stay stuck on red whilst the other three carry on regardless and miss it out.
As you say, i too know the sequence off by heart so just time it right then give the throttle a bit of welly and i'm off.
The junction is about a mile from the A40, so traffic will literally back up in a few minutes during rush hour. Add to the fact they've very poorly redesigned the road and pavement a little further on and it becomes an absolute nightmare very quickly, to the point i ride a longer way home now to avoid it all but at least i'm constantly moving.
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I have been in this situation especially when I know the lights and know the order of when mine should be green. So I have sat there and watched the sequence go through 2 or 3 times and each time missing out my lights and yet there was the gap when everyone elses lights were on red which is when mine should be on green.
At the crossroads i keep getting caught out at, my lights aren't part of the normal sequence, they just stay stuck on red whilst the other three carry on regardless and miss it out.
As you say, i too know the sequence off by heart so just time it right then give the throttle a bit of welly and i'm off.
The junction is about a mile from the A40, so traffic will literally back up in a few minutes during rush hour. Add to the fact they've very poorly redesigned the road and pavement a little further on and it becomes an absolute nightmare very quickly, to the point i ride a longer way home now to avoid it all but at least i'm constantly moving.
Is it just the bike that doesn't trigger the sequence or cars too? If it's just the bike if you look down at the road as you approach the lights you should see a box shape cut into the road. Try stopping with your wheels right on top of one of the lines of the box and that will give you the best chance of triggering the lights.
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I have been in this situation especially when I know the lights and know the order of when mine should be green. So I have sat there and watched the sequence go through 2 or 3 times and each time missing out my lights and yet there was the gap when everyone elses lights were on red which is when mine should be on green.
At the crossroads i keep getting caught out at, my lights aren't part of the normal sequence, they just stay stuck on red whilst the other three carry on regardless and miss it out.
As you say, i too know the sequence off by heart so just time it right then give the throttle a bit of welly and i'm off.
The junction is about a mile from the A40, so traffic will literally back up in a few minutes during rush hour. Add to the fact they've very poorly redesigned the road and pavement a little further on and it becomes an absolute nightmare very quickly, to the point i ride a longer way home now to avoid it all but at least i'm constantly moving.
Is it just the bike that doesn't trigger the sequence or cars too? If it's just the bike if you look down at the road as you approach the lights you should see a box shape cut into the road. Try stopping with your wheels right on top of one of the lines of the box and that will give you the best chance of triggering the lights.
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Nothing to do with that at all, this is a very busy road.
The lights just keep fucking up, simple as that, they don't need triggering.
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Must be just broken then. You could report it https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light (https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light)
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Must be just broken then. You could report it https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light (https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light)
The point was more about what are you s'posed to legally or sensibly do when you're actually stuck there at that time.
I've rung the council before when i've eventually got home, but that would be around 30mins later.
30mins of stoppage in that road would cause major traffic, and i mean a lot. Then it would take time to send someone out as well, so i dread to think how long it would take to fix, unless they can sort it via computer, which sounds feasible?
The Italian Job springs to mind. :lol
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Is it just the bike that doesn't trigger the sequence or cars too? If it's just the bike if you look down at the road as you approach the lights you should see a box shape cut into the road. Try stopping with your wheels right on top of one of the lines of the box and that will give you the best chance of triggering the lights.
Unfortunately sometimes the Induction Loop just isn't set to be sensitive enough to pick up the smaller amount of metal in a bike, compared to a car :(
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Is it just the bike that doesn't trigger the sequence or cars too? If it's just the bike if you look down at the road as you approach the lights you should see a box shape cut into the road. Try stopping with your wheels right on top of one of the lines of the box and that will give you the best chance of triggering the lights.
Unfortunately sometimes the Induction Loop just isn't set to be sensitive enough to pick up the smaller amount of metal in a bike, compared to a car :(
There's a set of lights literally across the road from where i live that has this type of sensor. Why the lights are even there is completely puzzling because it's a very quiet side road with just houses and a dead end?
But i have a mate who lives there so have popped round his house then sat like a total plum at these lights that haven't picked up the sense that my bike is even there many times before. I now just have a quick glance around to see who's about then ride straight through it. Again, i know the sequence so can very safely exit the road without any danger issues at all.
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Must be just broken then. You could report it https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light (https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light)
But don't sit on your bike and phone them on your mobile :lol
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Must be just broken then. You could report it https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light (https://www.gov.uk/report-problem-traffic-light)
But don't sit on your bike and phone them on your mobile :lol
Or park your bike on the pavement.
To help, or react, someone will no doubt break another law somehow.
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To help, or react, someone will no doubt break another law somehow.
Yep, and then they can impose yet another fine.
There's a fine for pretty much any petty misdemeanour nowadays from dropping crumbs for pigeons to leaving your wheely bin out on the wrong day.
It's all about extracting the maximum amount of cash from the public and reminding us who is boss.
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To help, or react, someone will no doubt break another law somehow.
Yep, and then they can impose yet another fine.
There's a fine for pretty much any petty misdemeanour nowadays from dropping crumbs for pigeons to leaving your wheely bin out on the wrong day.
It's all about extracting the maximum amount of cash from the public and reminding us who is boss.
The one that always bothers me is the £80 fine for dropping a cigarette butt, but feel free to light as many fireworks as you like, littering wherever they land, with no worries about any penalty charge at all?
Add to that, is it such a great idea to sell high explosives to the general public?
I think not, especially these days.
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Law, justice and even common sense are not always "aligned".
As for any moral dilemmas, IMO, when choosing for oneself which laws are just and common sense, one can often be subjective and unjust. When doing so for no personal gain (like when moving to let an emergency vehicle pass), the chance of being subjective and unjust is very low.
Still, I wouldn't be amazed to get fined for doing the right thing - whenever braking the law, one should be ready to accept the risks and consequences. Worse than a fine would be a scenario where moving at a red light causes a (fatal?) accident (Murphy's law?).
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The one that always bothers me is the £80 fine for dropping a cigarette butt
It's an easy target. They can lurk about and predict almost down to the second when it gets chucked on the floor.
The fine is out of all proportion to the 'crime'.
But hey, when did that last matter? :rolleyes
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But i have a mate who lives there so have popped round his house then sat like a total plum at these lights that haven't picked up the sense that my bike is even there many times before.
There's a flip side to this...
At North Harbour in Portsmouth, they're building a new supermarket and have installed a set of lights so that traffic can get out from the car park onto the main Southampton Road. The place is still a building site at the moment, so they've got metal barriers around the place and across the road leading to the car park.
Unfortunately the gates are obviously triggering the induction loop which seems to be prioritised for traffic that will be coming out of the car park, so the lights on the main road are constantly changing to red to allow this non-existent traffic out!
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Add to that, is it such a great idea to sell high explosives to the general public?
Technically gunpowder is a low explosive, not a high explosive, but I certainly think that selling them to the public should have been stopped long ago.
You can see much bettern fireworks at organised displays and there's so much less danger of someone being injured, let alone (as happened down here on Bonfire Night) people setting up an impromptu display at the end of the road!
Also you can now get Quiet Fireworks (https://epicfireworks.com/quiet-fireworks) which makes things less stressful for animals.
This is also true for PTSD sufferers and, IMO, these fireworks should be the only ones available. If you were near QA Hospital around November 5th it was like World War III out there :(
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Add to that, is it such a great idea to sell high explosives to the general public?
Technically gunpowder is a low explosive, not a high explosive, but I certainly think that selling them to the public should have been stopped long ago.
You can see much bettern fireworks at organised displays and there's so much less danger of someone being injured, let alone (as happened down here on Bonfire Night) people setting up an impromptu display at the end of the road!
Also you can now get Quiet Fireworks (https://epicfireworks.com/quiet-fireworks) which makes things less stressful for animals.
This is also true for PTSD sufferers and, IMO, these fireworks should be the only ones available. If you were near QA Hospital around November 5th it was like World War III out there :(
These days around my area it's not Bonfire Night that's noisy, but Diwali.
And they don't hold back when they buy their fireworks, some of which resemble bombs going off, and they will go on for 6hrs solid each night for about a week.
There's also a temple in the next road up from me which holds their own display so even with my windows shut you can barely hear the tv, and the surrounding areas including my road look like a BMW car park. It's a particular time of year i'm not too fond of.
You can only imagine how downhill the air quality goes, and those fireworks have to land somewhere too, but whatever you do.........don't drop a cigarette on the floor, or you'll get nicked. :smokin :lol
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happy new year everyone, hope Santa brought you everything you wanted ;)
ref the original question, blue light drivers have to be very careful passing a Red, it must be treated as a give way but any accident will see the driver of the emergency vehicle get fucked over by their organisation and then the law.....their Unions will leave them out on a limb as there's no recourse in law. Please remember this when emergency services (ES) approach you on the road. Our drivers are told to turn everything off once you hit standing traffic (traffic lights) as we shouldn't be encouraging the public to break the law/panic. Many people panic when we approach, they stop on hills/blind bends etc....just keep going at normal road speed coz we will pass you when safe to do so. I've heard anecdotal evidence of traffic moving through a Red to allow ES through and camera has operated......some won in court, some lost......appears a lottery to which ever judge you get and how they read the law determines your fate......TAKE THAT CHOICE AWAY FROM THEM AND DO NOT JUMP A RED
believe me, you sitting at a red for seconds is nothing compared to delays in the big picture (ie all ES not being deployed at the point of call....(Golden Hour).....ES crews unavailable due to cuts etc). Drive safe and stay stay safe, look after no. 1