Date: 29-03-24  Time: 02:23 am

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Would you be willing to take a covid vaccine  

yes
35 (71.4%)
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #350 on: 22 March 2021, 04:42:51 pm »
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BoJo ordered 340 million vaccines
Yep, about the same amount of effort as wasting £37 billion on Test and Trace.....

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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #351 on: 22 March 2021, 04:48:41 pm »
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Where have all the Germany finger pointers gone who were spouting "look how good they are handling covid"       
Here we are  :) Germany still has a far lower death rate than UK. Johnson is now predicting a third wave will arrive here. It ain't over yet. We've got nothing to boast about.

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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #352 on: 22 March 2021, 05:09:15 pm »
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Where have all the Germany finger pointers gone who were spouting "look how good they are handling covid"       
Here we are  :) Germany still has a far lower death rate than UK. Johnson is now predicting a third wave will arrive here. It ain't over yet. We've got nothing to boast about.
You mean this --Prime Minister Boris Johnson has warned that the third wave of Covid from European countries will “wash up on our shores”.
So our 3rd wave is going to come from Germany.
How could we have a 3rd wave when everyone / most adults have been vaccinated. Could we of been mislead about the vax all along. We keep being told - the quicker we all get the vax the quicker we can return to normal.  We need to keep a tight lid on incoming and outgoing flights and ports. Trump was 100% right when he banned flights. 
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #353 on: 22 March 2021, 05:27:51 pm »
Just got back from having my first Jab, Oxford AZ :thumbup

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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #354 on: 22 March 2021, 06:02:34 pm »
Just got back from having my first Jab, Oxford AZ :thumbup
Let us know how you get on with side effects.
 Have we seen Borris since Friday when he had his Jab
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« Reply #355 on: 22 March 2021, 06:06:08 pm »
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So our 3rd wave is going to come from Germany.
Only fair, we gave them the second 'Kent' wave ;)


It seems that the virus naturally mutates, wherever it is. The vaccine(s) will be playing catchup for some time.

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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #356 on: 22 March 2021, 06:07:37 pm »
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Have we seen Borris since Friday when he had his Jab
Yes, he's just been on the BBC News.

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« Reply #357 on: 22 March 2021, 08:51:32 pm »
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Have we seen Borris since Friday when he had his Jab
Yes, he's just been on the BBC News.
Sounds like he got away without any symptoms.
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #358 on: 22 March 2021, 09:16:02 pm »
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Have we seen Borris since Friday when he had his Jab
Yes, he's just been on the BBC News.
Sounds like he got away without any symptoms.

Apart from the bruise on the arm where the needle went in, I am currently symptom free still since the jab on Saturday morning. A friend who got theirs Saturday afternoon was suffering yesterday afternoon.
Based on the people I know who have had the vaccine (mostly the AZ one) Seems to be 50/50 if you have any symptoms and then 25% of those that do get symptoms get the "feeling really crap" ones.
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #359 on: 22 March 2021, 11:10:12 pm »
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Apart from the bruise on the arm where the needle went in, I am currently symptom free still since the jab on Saturday morning. A friend who got theirs Saturday afternoon was suffering yesterday afternoon.Based on the people I know who have had the vaccine (mostly the AZ one) Seems to be 50/50 if you have any symptoms and then 25% of those that do get symptoms get the "feeling really crap" ones.

Yes, from people I know it's about 50/50, and any symptoms turn up within 24-48 hours.
One friend of mine had a severe allergic reaction and had to be pumped full of antihistamine for 24 hours. He's fully recovered now though.


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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #360 on: 22 March 2021, 11:21:21 pm »
Let us know how you get on with side effects.

Six hours on, no side effects so fa-

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« Reply #361 on: 22 March 2021, 11:38:20 pm »
Let us know how you get on with side effects.

Six hours on, no side effects so fa-

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My mates kicked in about 16 hours later about 4am. You got time yet.
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #362 on: 23 March 2021, 09:00:31 am »
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #363 on: 23 March 2021, 10:23:57 am »
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Boasting would be improper, but our highly successful vaccination programme is certainly nothing to be ashamed of.Almost 28 million first vaccines adminstered and over 2 million second doses so far.

Of course it isn't to be ashamed of, but:


We should have locked down earlier and tighter
Stopped foreign travel
Created an efficient test and trace system that worked
Not opened up so much in the summer
Not created 'eat out to help out'
Paid workers to self isolate
Listened to the scientists


Then we wouldn't have lost so many


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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #364 on: 23 March 2021, 11:07:39 am »
28 million is really 14 million.  The proof will be the second dose, things will start slowing down, they've already put that out there so you know it's not going to be significant.  I'm also lead to believe nearly all the second doses are for those who had Pfizer vaccine, not the Astrazeneca which the vast majority of the 28 million or so, who have had their first jab.

The gamble is can they keep the second level jab going at the same pace as the first and keep rolling out first jabs, I wouldn't bet on it!

The EU are also now coming on line as it the rest of the world, things will slow down and there's little point in all of us be vaccinated if most of the world isn't. 

Test and trace ring any bells, lets go for the number, I know lets split a test and call each element a test, bingo over night 250k turns into 500k  :evil


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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #365 on: 23 March 2021, 11:14:30 am »
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Boasting would be improper, but our highly successful vaccination programme is certainly nothing to be ashamed of.Almost 28 million first vaccines adminstered and over 2 million second doses so far.

Of course it isn't to be ashamed of, but:


We should have locked down earlier and tighter
Stopped foreign travel
Created an efficient test and trace system that worked
Not opened up so much in the summer
Not created 'eat out to help out'
Paid workers to self isolate
Listened to the scientists


Then we wouldn't have lost so many



While most of your points are valid the "listened to the scientists one" is just a load of pish
If the scientists are so knowledgeable then why are different ones all over the world offering different advice? Even in the UK the scientists used in Scotland are offering different advice to the ones in Wales and the ones in England.
Why is it the Scottish ones have recommended groups of 8 from 4 households can meet up outside yet the ones in England say groups of 6 from 2 households? Why do Children not count towards the number in Scotland and Ireland but they do in Wales and England?
Why do some European Scientists (like Sweden) say lockdowns are pointless and trusting the public to behave is all we need.
Why are some scientists to be believed and trusted but others not?
All this conflicting information from scientists is whats caused so much anti vax, anti mask and anti corona stuff to gain traction and spread.
I think what we should have done is not just listen to the Scientists but actually gather a diverse group of unbiased experts from all over the world and got clear solid advice that every nation had to follow. Then it wouldn't have been up for debate

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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #366 on: 23 March 2021, 11:17:55 am »
28 million is really 14 million. 
Eh ?
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« Reply #367 on: 23 March 2021, 11:33:13 am »
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« Reply #368 on: 23 March 2021, 11:48:33 am »
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« Reply #369 on: 23 March 2021, 12:53:22 pm »
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #370 on: 23 March 2021, 01:43:14 pm »
You try. 28M have had the 1st dose.

Correct, but 2 jabs make up a vaccination, which means 28 million odd have half their dose.  You're supposed to get the second within 6 weeks, which rapidly turned into 12, so as to get the number.  Which does make sense if you can guarantee you get the second, within 6 - 12weeks, already I'm reading people are being given 13wks plus.  Not to mention the "been offered by May, June whatever" statements,  I know of people over 50 their appointment for first jab is May!

Now what is unclear at present is what happens if you go beyond 12, 13, 14 weeks. 

This issue now isn't how many have been jabbed, but how many can they jab for a second time, within the now 12 week window and keep the rate of vaccination going for the remaining 30 odd million and deliver their second jab.  All this why on the continent the S Africa variant is growing, if allowed to unchecked it will get here, as Boris told us yesterday and our jab isn't as effective some reports put it as low as 50% .  At present they just don't know.

The point is, us just racing off in the distance doesn't grantee us safety, in fact it could be the opposite, i.e. we've packed in haste and forgotten the passport!  Until Westminster types understand there's no quick win and we're all in the same boat, ok so their ends sinks bit quicker than ours, but the boat still going to sink!

The real driver here is do we protect people or money, that's the real question the Western World has to answer.         
   
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« Reply #371 on: 23 March 2021, 02:05:56 pm »
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While most of your points are valid the "listened to the scientists one" is just a load of pish
I don't believe any of the scientists :


Told Johnson it was OK to shake everybody's hand in hospital
Gave approval for the Cheltenham Festival to go ahead
Told Sunak he should be a pretend waiter and not wear a mask
Say it was OK to drive to Barnard Castle to test your eyesight
... and so many more


Those were all political decisions, and why we are where we are.


I'd rather listen to a virologist than Karen from Maidstone  :)




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« Reply #372 on: 23 March 2021, 02:51:13 pm »
Correct, but 2 jabs make up a vaccination
   
The scientists told us it gives at least 70% protection with the first jab.
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You're supposed to get the second within 6 weeks, which rapidly turned into 12, so as to get the number. 
The scientists told us its ok to move to 12 weeks, and even that it is better.
Are we not to listen to the scientists now then.
 Mtread disagrees with you.

We should have
Listened to the scientists
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Re: The Covid thread incl a poll
« Reply #373 on: 23 March 2021, 07:11:49 pm »
  • Created an efficient test and trace system that worked
  • I don't believe any of the scientists :
  • Say it was OK to drive to Barnard Castle to test your eyesight
  • So one that didn't invade personal privacy? or allowed the government or 3rd parties to track your every move? or that could be trusted not to get hacked and leak all your personal, confidential and or medial info as it will have been linked to your NHS record....
  • if not them then who exactly....
  • I'll think you find that was an unelected adviser with no medial or scientistic authority coming up with an excuse when he got pulled over by the police that was the equivalent of the 'dog ate my homework'...

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« Reply #374 on: 23 March 2021, 07:36:18 pm »
  • Created an efficient test and trace system that worked
  • I don't believe any of the scientists :
  • Say it was OK to drive to Barnard Castle to test your eyesight
  • So one that didn't invade personal privacy? or allowed the government or 3rd parties to track your every move? or that could be trusted not to get hacked and leak all your personal, confidential and or medial info as it will have been linked to your NHS record....
  • if not them then who exactly....
  • I'll think you find that was an unelected adviser with no medial or scientistic authority coming up with an excuse when he got pulled over by the police that was the equivalent of the 'dog ate my homework'...
That is not the context that mtread was writing/ commentating in. 
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