Author Topic: Venhill Braided Lines (Read 3828 times)

teecee90 · « **on:** 25 July 2016, 12:07:49 am »

Can anyone advise the cheapest place to get a set of Venhill lines from or is it best to go direct?

Also, there seems to be quite a big price difference between selecting chrome or stainless steel banjos. Is there any great advantage to going for the more expensive stainless ones?

Dave48 · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 July 2016, 07:15:24 am »

I believe you can get a Fazer Forum member discount on HEL braided lines.
Re Stainless v Chrome banjos/fittings: I have always gone with stainless to avoid potential corrosion issues. IMO they look nicer (Less Bling-More Quality).
So check out Hel discount,go for stainless fittings. Presume you will go for the 2-line front (Race) setup & dispense with the third link hose-ie run one hose from master cylinder union to each caliper direct?

Fazer99 · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 July 2016, 08:12:11 am »

Quote from: Dave48 on 25 July 2016, 07:15:24 am

Presume you will go for the 2-line front (Race) setup & dispense with the third link hose-ie run one hose from master cylinder union to each caliper direct?

I was looking at changing to braded lines myself and found it is cheaper to buy the 2-line race setup rather than the 3-line standard, but not sure what setup I should go for? does the race setup have better braking ability?

Quote from: teecee90 on 25 July 2016, 12:07:49 am

Also, there seems to be quite a big price difference between selecting chrome or stainless steel banjos. Is there any great advantage to going for the more expensive stainless ones?

In short as basically mentioned the stainless are stronger and will last longer. I'm currently in the process of changing my bleed nipples from whatever soft cheese ones that are on there at the moment to some nice solid stainless steel ones.

robbo · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 July 2016, 10:32:48 am »

Hi Fazer99,
I'm in the process of deciding which lines to go for. From what I've read there's no actual advantage in the 2 line set up other than financial saving. I'm going to stick with the 3 line as I think it will make a neater job, but that's just a personal opinion.

Fazer99 · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 July 2016, 11:34:43 am »

Quote from: robbo on 25 July 2016, 10:32:48 am

Hi Fazer99,
I'm in the process of deciding which lines to go for. From what I've read there's no actual advantage in the 2 line set up other than financial saving. I'm going to stick with the 3 line as I think it will make a neater job, but that's just a personal opinion.

Cheers buddy, thats really helped, I'm going for the 2-line setup as being the cheaper option. Found a kit on EvilBay for about £60 which includes a rear line http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wezmoto-Full-Length-Race-Braided-Brake-Lines-Yamaha-FZS600-Fazer-1998-2003-/130993204427?hash=item1e7fcdaccb:g:NHMAAMXQbflSNkej which is good as if I didn't change the rear line at the same time my OCD would have driven me mad

teecee90 · « **Reply #5 on:** 25 July 2016, 01:39:18 pm »

FYI - Venhill are currently offering a 20% discount with code SUMMER2016

Dustydes · « **Reply #6 on:** 25 July 2016, 02:05:15 pm »

Re fittings

As said Stainless looks good and corrosion resistant

Don't go with Anodised Aluminium, a mate of mine mentioned that they can fall apart.
This proved true when I purchased a frame which had braided lines. As the line were of no use to me I thought I could sell them on fleebay.
When I removed the bolt one of the banjo fittings just fell apart and was corroded inside.

I don't know how old they were but I wont take any chances with brakes.

Dustydes · « **Reply #7 on:** 25 July 2016, 03:14:35 pm »

Code works

2 line race in stainless £64.87 on there site

3 line in stainless £90.30

Prices for FZS 1000

teecee90 · « **Reply #8 on:** 25 July 2016, 10:58:50 pm »

I went for the Venhill full stainless 3 line front and rear. With the 20% discount the total with postage was £126.70 plus £90 for a full set of genuine Yamaha pads making a grand total of about £217 but hopefully that should be the braking system sorted for a good while..... although I may also buy calliper seals and and replace those as well while Im at it....

Dustydes · « **Reply #9 on:** 26 July 2016, 07:05:59 am »

Quote from: teecee90 on 25 July 2016, 10:58:50 pm

I went for the Venhill full stainless 3 line front and rear. With the 20% discount the total with postage was £126.70 plus £90 for a full set of genuine Yamaha pads making a grand total of about £217 but hopefully that should be the braking system sorted for a good while..... although I may also buy calliper seals and and replace those as well while Im at it....

Ive also been looking at changing to braid.

Why did the 3 hose kit come to £126.70 I put in FZS 1000 stainless and with 20%off it came to £90.30 not including P&P
Just trying to sort out prices.

PieEater · « **Reply #10 on:** 26 July 2016, 08:56:59 am »

Quote from: Dustydes on 26 July 2016, 07:05:59 am

Why did the 3 hose kit come to £126.70 I put in FZS 1000 stainless and with 20%off it came to £90.30 not including P&P
Just trying to sort out prices.

Total cost includes the rear line as well.

FYI the Wezmoto lines that Fazer99 went with are put together in the Hel factory using the same parts as the Hel lines and have the same lifetime guarantee.

Dustydes · « **Reply #11 on:** 26 July 2016, 10:11:25 am »

Quote from: PieEater on 26 July 2016, 08:56:59 am

Quote from: Dustydes on 26 July 2016, 07:05:59 am

Why did the 3 hose kit come to £126.70 I put in FZS 1000 stainless and with 20%off it came to £90.30 not including P&P
Just trying to sort out prices.
Total cost includes the rear line as well.

FYI the Wezmoto lines that Fazer99 went with are put together in the Hel factory using the same parts as the Hel lines and have the same lifetime guarantee.

Thanks for clearing that up

I've just had another look at the Wezmoto and they state:

If you have added handlebar risers or extended your rear swingarm, we will add the extra length absolutely free! Just tell us how much longer you need it when ordering.

So might go with them as I have Renthals and could do with just a few more mm

hotmetal · « **Reply #12 on:** 27 July 2016, 08:56:14 am »

The good thing about the Venhill kit is that the banjos rotate until you tighten the nuts, so you will never get a twist in the line. I had the 3-line road setup as it was neater and a direct replacement. The 2-line is all about meeting race safety specs I believe, no performance advantage, though a bit cheaper. Venhill are a good option though. Nice to support a small local company too.

teecee90 · « **Reply #13 on:** 31 July 2016, 10:16:18 pm »

Has anyone else fitted the Venhill lines? My kits arrived Friday so I decided to fit them today. Started with the front brakes and the banjo fittings don't seem quite right. There is only one side angled fitting which I guess goes on the master cylinder, but it is only a 20 degree angle whereas the original is probably closer to 30 degrees. Also, there are 2 straight banjos which I assume go to the front callipers, even though there are no straight banjos on the original. The right side fits okay-ish but the left side isn't very good and creates quite a tight bend in the line. The original banjos on the front callipers are slightly angled ... probably about 10-15 degrees.

I'm going to ring Venhill tomorrow but would be useful to know if anyone else has had a similar experience.

characticus · « **Reply #14 on:** 31 July 2016, 10:31:47 pm »

I think mine were the same - straight banjos at the calipers, slight angle at the master cylinder. Don't recall any problems fitting them or any tight bends. I can take a photo if you want.

characticus · « **Reply #15 on:** 31 July 2016, 10:56:51 pm »

Does this help.

teecee90 · « **Reply #16 on:** 01 August 2016, 12:53:13 am »

Yes it does, thanks. I fitted both banjos so they were tight to the stop lug, but I see you have fitted the left side banjo slightly away from the lug. I robbed one of the 20 degree side bend banjos from the rear set and that fits much better that the straight banjo. Think I'll ask Venhill to just send me a replacement for that.

teecee90 · « **Reply #17 on:** 01 August 2016, 01:04:53 am »

teecee90 · « **Reply #18 on:** 01 August 2016, 03:45:39 pm »

Juts been out for a test ride. Obviously the new pads are not bedded in yet, but it is a massive improvement. Probably had the original brake lines so 13 years old and the old pads were Goldfren, which most people seem to think are not great either. Just need to wait for the replacement banjo to do the rear now.

Dustydes · « **Reply #19 on:** 01 August 2016, 06:20:47 pm »

Ordered mine today

Went with Wezmoto

Race set up front and rear line £59.99

Red hose
Natural colour Stainless fittings

And added 25mm for free due to wider bars. Standard does fit but a tiny bit tight

teecee90 · « **Reply #20 on:** 01 August 2016, 11:06:42 pm »

Rear brake has got Sumitomo pads in it. They have quite a bit of wear left in them but I've never heard of them before so am tempted to change them anyway. Has anyone else ever heard of Sumitomo and have any opinions on them?

Dustydes · « **Reply #21 on:** 02 August 2016, 08:36:08 am »

Quote from: teecee90 on 01 August 2016, 11:06:42 pm

Rear brake has got Sumitomo pads in it. They have quite a bit of wear left in them but I've never heard of them before so am tempted to change them anyway. Has anyone else ever heard of Sumitomo and have any opinions on them?

We have a back brake ? :-)

Sorry only joking as I never use mine.

Sumitomo
I have used Sumitomo pads in cars (Toyota) but not bikes and they are fine.
As for stopping power its hard to say without testing or a large amount of feedback.
As its a back brake I dont think you could go wrong, you dont need masses of stopping power to lock the rear wheel

They make the pads for Toyota