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It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus.
Quote from: darrsi on 16 February 2021, 09:06:48 pm It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus. It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.
Quote from: fazersharp on 18 February 2021, 11:35:59 amQuote from: darrsi on 16 February 2021, 09:06:48 pm It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus. It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.Great book.It could be argued that medicine, including vaccines, does make the human race less resilient - generally speaking.
Quote from: Slaninar on 19 February 2021, 07:53:01 pmQuote from: fazersharp on 18 February 2021, 11:35:59 amQuote from: darrsi on 16 February 2021, 09:06:48 pm It basically said that every person who has had the flu ever since then up to now has had a mutated version of that same virus. It reminds me of this from war of the worlds (do Morgan freeman in your head )From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither do men live nor die in vain.Great book.It could be argued that medicine, including vaccines, does make the human race less resilient - generally speaking.That's a pretty poor argument. We would be in a very bad place at the very least without medicine.
Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.
Quote from: vinnyb on 19 February 2021, 10:13:02 pm Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.I agree it's not simple.Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).
Quote from: Slaninar on 20 February 2021, 06:49:50 amQuote from: vinnyb on 19 February 2021, 10:13:02 pm Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.I agree it's not simple.Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).Recreational drugs are a big factor in the way people behave these days, it's a massive market and the supply is most definitely there for the demand.And due to the recent snowflake generation getting their way there is a vastly different attitude towards discipline with younger people nowadays which has basically given them free reign to run riot, and why we have so much trouble on our streets.When i was a kid we all had penknives for example, but i don't recall anyone ever using one as a weapon. There was a kid stabbed to death near me 2 days ago, with a CCTV video showing exactly what happened, and the attackers can only be described as savages. But when people are caught doing wrong you then get the snowflake defence liars doing their best to make them look good in court and they get their result far too often, meaning the criminal tends to get preferential treatment over the victims. The horrible reality about all of this is that there isn't really a fix either. Drugs are already illegal, and if you look at places like USA where the threat of really long jail time, unlike our paltry sentencing, still doesn't seem to affect the crime statistics then it all seems rather scary when you think how bad the future is going to be.
Quote from: darrsi on 20 February 2021, 07:57:54 amQuote from: Slaninar on 20 February 2021, 06:49:50 amQuote from: vinnyb on 19 February 2021, 10:13:02 pm Be careful where you go with that, you're right what you say about some medical interventions weakening future generations genes. For example i can't see my hand in front of my face without my specs and had we had kids I dare say at least one of them would have been short sighted too. In our hunter gatherer days I dare say I would have starved to death so my genes wouldn't have affected the next generation. Humanity's main weakness is compassion and where would we be without that, although it does seem somewhat lacking nowadays, we as a race don't like to see others suffering. Eugenics in principle works to some extent but who would want to see it put into practice? There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of living past their productive life, many primates do and so do elephants.I agree it's not simple.Just pointing out the potential problems. I suppose all the previous civilizations thought they were the pinnacle of human progress, and the way human society should go. Yet, only when those civilizations are dead, we get to discuss what got to them, through history.For our civilization: it's clear we are destroying the planet, and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. Doesn't look too promising.Not claiming I have any idea how to correct that - there are too many things to consider (practical, ethical, economical...).Recreational drugs are a big factor in the way people behave these days, it's a massive market and the supply is most definitely there for the demand.And due to the recent snowflake generation getting their way there is a vastly different attitude towards discipline with younger people nowadays which has basically given them free reign to run riot, and why we have so much trouble on our streets.When i was a kid we all had penknives for example, but i don't recall anyone ever using one as a weapon. There was a kid stabbed to death near me 2 days ago, with a CCTV video showing exactly what happened, and the attackers can only be described as savages. But when people are caught doing wrong you then get the snowflake defence liars doing their best to make them look good in court and they get their result far too often, meaning the criminal tends to get preferential treatment over the victims. The horrible reality about all of this is that there isn't really a fix either. Drugs are already illegal, and if you look at places like USA where the threat of really long jail time, unlike our paltry sentencing, still doesn't seem to affect the crime statistics then it all seems rather scary when you think how bad the future is going to be. Fair points. The snowflake ones really struck a chord. A practical example:Cyclist was passing close to a parked car. Driver opened the door, pushing the cyclist towards the middle of the lane - and making them fall off.The cyclist then got run over by a bus that was coming up from behind - the bus driver had no time to react (and hadn't created enough room in case something like that happens).My reaction:"Stay out of the door zone, people, it can be dangerous. We can't really rely on all the drivers being careful."Most people's reaction to that:"You victim blaming biker hater!"
and to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations.
No other species on earth lives after it is no longer productive - but we do. And we all like to live as long as possible. Is that good, healthy and natural?
Quote from: Slaninar on 20 February 2021, 06:49:50 amand to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. And that is exactly the way the world governments want it. That way you can be controlled and will obey and not ask questions and will believe everything we are told.Anyone who questions anything other than the prescribed narrative is labelled a conspiracy nut job and non plat-formed. Sentients don't like to speak out -- because they are cleaver and know their funding will disappear if they don't follow the narrative they are supposed to.
Quote from: fazersharp on 20 February 2021, 01:45:36 pmQuote from: Slaninar on 20 February 2021, 06:49:50 amand to me it seems people are getting a bit dumber - shorter attention spans, especially for the younger generations. And that is exactly the way the world governments want it. That way you can be controlled and will obey and not ask questions and will believe everything we are told.Anyone who questions anything other than the prescribed narrative is labelled a conspiracy nut job and non plat-formed. Sentients don't like to speak out -- because they are cleaver and know their funding will disappear if they don't follow the narrative they are supposed to. But some people simply are conspiracy theory nut jobs. Or just like to do the opposite of the norm, generally to be a deliberate pain in the arse and seek attention.
Quote No other species on earth lives after it is no longer productive - but we do. And we all like to live as long as possible. Is that good, healthy and natural?Most whale species do, as do elephants.
Don't know about the whales, but I see elephants with glasses and in wheel-chairs all the time...
I have got a feeling they are going to abandon 2 jabs. The "Science" and data will, of course be amended to accomadate.
We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU. Or we could give them to poorer countries. Or keep the order but change the formula because we are going to need 4 different jab a year to keep up with mutations.
We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU.
Quote We could give them to the EU -----but France and Germany don't want the Ox AZ France has been saying the BRITISH vax basically does not work in over 65s and so wont give it out.NEWS JUST IN TODAYFrance has now changed its mind based on "encouraging" preliminary results of a large-scale study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations among the Scottish population.THE SCOTTISH population !! France couldn't bring themselves to say British. But instead stroking crooked krankies bonnet to keep her purring and wanting to leave the UK and join the EU. You seem to be straying into politics here tsk tsk Anyway, just to correct you, France and Germany (and others) didn't say 'it didn't work'. They said the data was incomplete. Now perhaps the Scottish data is complete. As for Britain, Johnson can't even keep data on how many children he has, let alone count effective vaccine doses. I seem to have strayed into politics too.