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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: nickodemon on 04 August 2014, 10:40:41 pm
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Has anyone fitted a 4 degree ignition advancer fitted to a stock fazer? What are the improvements (if any). I have one fitted to my full monty fazer and it improves it in the midrange, but want to know if it's worthwhile fitting it to a stock one.
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I'd be interested in fitting one to mine after the Full Monty upgrade from my Slip On being done in September......I'd be very interested in what this actually does to the performance and if its worth it and noticeable....I've looked at Pats Page but didn't see anything.
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Id like to understand the effect on stock too :)
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Looking at Ivans site....you can get 147bhp with an advancer, ported boots and K&N.....
http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1dyno2.htm (http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1dyno2.htm)
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i fitted advancer to my gen 1 thou but was done at same time as Ivanisied full monty so couldnt tell the difference as i didnt know whta made the difference. :rollin They ae only like 15 quid so worth a go either way surely.
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And what effect would an IA have on a normal ivanised bike (just the carbs have been done).
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Looking at Ivans site....you can get 147bhp with an advancer, ported boots and K&N.....
[url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1dyno2.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1dyno2.htm[/url])
You need to look at those a bit more closely, bbb. ;)
First graph shows a top end power loss with a 4 deg advancer. Ivan doesn't recommend them for this motor.
The graphs showing 147bhp were for a motor with Muzzy full header system, not the Full Monty. The best Full Monty results I've seen were 140bhp. Your results may vary. :)
You feel the difference with an ignition advancer as sharper throttle response from idle to around 4k rpm. It picks up a bit quicker, that's all. No actual demonstrable gains on a dyno.
Since most of us don't routinely sit with the revs above 9k rpm, so any loss/extra vibes that high up the rev range aren't a factor.
DIY advancer option here: http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/eskortsadvancermod.shtml (http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/eskortsadvancermod.shtml)
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I have one fitted to my full montied Gen1 the altered timing gives better low down response at the expense of a few BHP off the top. It's made cold starts a doddle and low rev cruising even easier, you'd most likely notice the benefits of fitting one rather than the slight loss of top end. I don't really see what Ivanising has to do with it as the effect will be the same regardless but others will no doubt have an opinion.
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Looking at Ivans site....you can get 147bhp with an advancer, ported boots and K&N.....
[url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1dyno2.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1dyno2.htm[/url])
You need to look at those a bit more closely, bbb. ;)
First graph shows a top end power loss with a 4 deg advancer. Ivan doesn't recommend them for this motor.
The graphs showing 147bhp were for a motor with Muzzy full header system, not the Full Monty. The best Full Monty results I've seen were 140bhp. Your results may vary. :)
You feel the difference with an ignition advancer as sharper throttle response from idle to around 4k rpm. It picks up a bit quicker, that's all. No actual demonstrable gains on a dyno.
Since most of us don't routinely sit with the revs above 9k rpm, so any loss/extra vibes that high up the rev range aren't a factor.
DIY advancer option here: [url]http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/eskortsadvancermod.shtml[/url] ([url]http://www.yamahafz1oa.com/eskortsadvancermod.shtml[/url])
Not quite sure if your saying its not worth it though....any advance in acceleration sounds good to me....is it something you would recommend and could add to the full monty install
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I've modified the OE advancer on my own bike to give 2 degs advance because I think it's worth it.
A similar benefit can be obtained by setting the TPS dynamically as Ivan recommends - see the addendum in this post:
http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/throttlepositionsensoradjustment.html (http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/throttlepositionsensoradjustment.html)
:)
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Hey Mike,
I know you've mentioned it to me before, but I was wondering if an advancer might be of use to me, having read your note above about it smoothing the throttle response between idle and 4k rpm.
As you know, when I first got mine, it had a very snatchy response in just that rev range at very small throttle opening increments, but the Ivanising largely seemed to cure that. Gotta say though, it is still there - not nearly so bad as it was, and I can quite happily live with it, but wondered if the advancer might improve things still further?
What do you think? Worth a shot?
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Hey Mike,
I know you've mentioned it to me before, but I was wondering if an advancer might be of use to me, having read your note above about it smoothing the throttle response between idle and 4k rpm.
As you know, when I first got mine, it had a very snatchy response in just that rev range at very small throttle opening increments, but the Ivanising largely seemed to cure that. Gotta say though, it is still there - not nearly so bad as it was, and I can quite happily live with it, but wondered if the advancer might improve things still further?
What do you think? Worth a shot?
you need a turbo to keep up with me :lol
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you need a turbo to keep up with me :lol
Seem to remember some comment about "lighting the blue touchpaper" on Sunday? ;) Wasn't much in my mirrors then :lol
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you need a turbo to keep up with me :lol
Seem to remember some comment about "lighting the blue touchpaper" on Sunday? ;) Wasn't much in my mirrors then :lol
Slow down fool :lol , mind you those bends later were fast 89 urrhh ;)
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What do you think? Worth a shot?
Try the DIY option - definitely worth it in my view, Nick. :)
Mike
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What do you think? Worth a shot?
Try the DIY option - definitely worth it in my view, Nick. :)
Mike
Ok, I'll take another look at that, cheers :thumbup
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Fitting a 4 degree ignition advancer to a full monty fazer gives improved low down response and possibly a couple more horse power in the midrange. it also makes starting the bike easier. It doesn't give more top end power (possibly loses a couple at the very top of the rev range (i didn't notice). It makes the bike more driveable in my opinion and better in the range of revs that i use 99% of the time. I think i will buy a £14 one off ebay for my standard fazer and see if there is any noticeable difference.
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ive notice my gen1 is abit snatchy through traffic.is the ignition advancer something anyone can have ago at fitting?
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ive notice my gen1 is abit snatchy through traffic.is the ignition advancer something anyone can have ago at fitting?
An Ivans Jet Kit will sort that out
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I only ever tried an advancer once, on a 1200 bandit..it kinda killed it..
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ive notice my gen1 is abit snatchy through traffic.is the ignition advancer something anyone can have ago at fitting?
Chain slack correct?
If you try to ride at walking speed without feathering the clutch, it'll likely snatch regardless.
An advancer won't cure this on its own although I won't hurt, either. As for 'can anyone have a go at fitting?', sure you can. However, you do need a bit of mechanical savvy and the correct tools to do it right. :)
'Ivanising' has a positive effect on fuelling throughout the rev range and improves driveability from idle upwards.
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I fitted the 4 degree advancer to my standard fazer last night (15 mins), and took it to work this morning.It started quicker this morning and i didn't need to open the throttle slightly to get it to fire up. The differences are the throttle feels more responsive, a definite improvement with vibes on the motorway and it requires less throttle when driving on city streets. I noticed in stock form the bike sometimes bogged down slightly at low revs if you gave it a handful, but with the advancer it pulls cleanly. It's definitely worth doing either the way Mike has done or to buy one on ebay for £14.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-R1-FAZER-1000-CARB-MODELS-4-DEGREE-IGNITION-ADVANCER-ROTOR-YELLOW-ZINC-/151372332174?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item233e7e7c8e (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YAMAHA-R1-FAZER-1000-CARB-MODELS-4-DEGREE-IGNITION-ADVANCER-ROTOR-YELLOW-ZINC-/151372332174?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item233e7e7c8e)
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I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.
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I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.
That's what I'd be looking for. Thing's got plenty enough power for me as it is! Any more and I might as well set fire to my license and get a bus pass :lol
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I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.
Where did i say there was a power increase?
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I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.
Where did i say there was a power increase?
hey Nick, how easy would you say it is to fit? I assume you can take the required engine cover off without losing the engine oil?
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Yes mate. Simply unbolt the cover, put bike in gear, stand on rear brake and loosen the 14mm? nut. remove plate and replace with advanced plate. Put 14mm nut back on and tighten. Absolute doddle :)
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Cheers mate, think I'll fling one on and see what sort of change it makes :)
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I can't say I noticed any power increase when I fitted mine, It just seemed to smooth the engine out a little.
Where did i say there was a power increase?
I haven't said you did, I was just stating my opinion?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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:thumbup
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Well I've got one of these on order now. Hopefully it is here before early next week and I can fling it on and see what sort of difference it makes :)
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Well I've got one of these on order now. Hopefully it is here before early next week and I can fling it on and see what sort of difference it makes :)
I think I'll wait until mine is "full monty'd" then see if it makes a visible difference and get it dyno'd too....I take it its easy enough to reverse the process if it doesn't suit.
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I would have thought its just a case of swapping the advanced back over for the OEM one to undo it. I was going to wait till after the full Monty as well, but may as well fling one on now for a few weeks and then see what difference it makes after full Monty is done as well. Are you planning on dyno ing your bike after you have had the full Monty done Bbb?
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I would have thought its just a case of swapping the advanced back over for the OEM one to undo it. I was going to wait till after the full Monty as well, but may as well fling one on now for a few weeks and then see what difference it makes after full Monty is done as well. Are you planning on dyno ing your bike after you have had the full Monty done Bbb?
Yes, with the "slip on" version its dyno'd at 134bhp at the back wheel and the fueling is pretty much spot on......according to Mike the gains are an additional 5-6bhp over the "slip on" so I should get it to approx. 140bhp........then I'd fit the advancer, road test it and dyno it again.
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Yes, with the "slip on" version its dyno'd at 134bhp at the back wheel and the fueling is pretty much spot on......according to Mike the gains are an additional 5-6bhp over the "slip on" so I should get it to approx. 140bhp........then I'd fit the advancer, road test it and dyno it again.
The advancer will rob you of a few BHP, if your peak BHP figure is important to you I'd fit it after you have had some runs with the OEM part. As it literally takes minutes to fit maybe you could take the advancer with you to the testing station and get another set of runs done after fitting, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would be interested in comparing the results.
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Well I got my advancer in this afternoon and popped it on about an hour ago. Initial thoughts are that it has definately smoothed the bottom end of the rev range where I spend most time out. Bike seemed ever so slightly keener to rev. Definately worthwhile for me, as I'm bit fussed about max power or speed and it does seem to give a better ride.
Here's a pic of the panel removed, and of the bolt you need to remove (although if you can't figure that much out, maybe you should get someone else to fit it for you :lol)
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/23/32a138887dd0ba060f245c57c59900b5.jpg)
and yes... my bloody gasket ripped... had to put some instant gasket on in lieu of a new one coming :(
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I fitted mine this weekend... It didn't make any differance to the starting, but it has made the engine and throttle response so much smoother.
The downside I found is a slight lack of X factor at the lower end... and it doesn't pop and rumble as much when slowing down off the throttle...
I'll live with it for a while (getting out when the weather dries up a bit). I might change it back; however it does make it feel a bit like a brand new bike at the moment...
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I would have thought its just a case of swapping the advanced back over for the OEM one to undo it. I was going to wait till after the full Monty as well, but may as well fling one on now for a few weeks and then see what difference it makes after full Monty is done as well. Are you planning on dyno ing your bike after you have had the full Monty done Bbb?
Yes, with the "slip on" version its dyno'd at 134bhp at the back wheel and the fueling is pretty much spot on......according to Mike the gains are an additional 5-6bhp over the "slip on" so I should get it to approx. 140bhp........then I'd fit the advancer, road test it and dyno it again.
I can't wait to hear about these results. Very interesting
Mickey the moocher, letting others do the work before trying it for himself.
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I got one but ain't fitted it yet. I note in the DIY version, he resorts to the manual in saying always use a new gasket and Yamabond on the grommet, Wallace.
Obviously, I'd rather have all the bits present when I do this, sooooo.... am I REALLY going to need........
1.) a gasket - isn't this "compartment" dry? Has anyone''s gasket come apart when you opened the case? Re-used the gasket?
2.) Yamabond?
i have heard engine builders swear by this stuff, but really - won't a small smear of silicon gasket do the same job?
Looking forward to your prior experience. And yes, I AM a tightwad :D
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Oh, and I had my bike dynoed before Mike fitted my Full Monty - 124bhp at the rear wheel.
Not had a chance to re-dyno the bike yet, but was thinking that if the advancer might knock a couple of peak horses off, I should have it dynoed BEFORE the advancer goes on.
that way, I'll know what improvement the Full Monty has made. My seat-of-the-pants dyno says definitely more thrust, but I'd like to see it on paper.
As far as the advancer is concerned, I think I'd trade a couple of peak bhp, for a smoother, more responsive bottom end, and above all, easier starting.
After all, how often do we hit peak horsepower on the road (OK, OK, here it comes........ :rolleyes )
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1.) a gasket - isn't this "compartment" dry? Has anyone''s gasket come apart when you opened the case? Re-used the gasket?
2.) Yamabond?
i have heard engine builders swear by this stuff, but really - won't a small smear of silicon gasket do the same job?
Any change in peak hp is only going to be small, maybe 1 bhp at most and well within the 5% error expectation of a dyno run. Don't worry about it. :)
Almost dry compartment, hence the gasket.
Grease the gasket on both sides and it will seal perfectly but come off easily if you want to remove the cover again. ;)
Cheers! :)
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I have a before and after run on the same Dyno, at the time bike was fitted with Quill T3 and Ivans slip on kit. IIRC The 4 degree ignition advancer made between 1 and 4 bhp extra up to 9,000rpm after that it was the same. Most of the gain was between 3,500 and 6,000 rpm, as mentioned easier starting, smoother driving and much nicer two up.
I am home next week I will try to find the Dyno run print out and post it here.
IIRC my figure were.
Stock bike (USA import) with 990 miles, 123.5 bhp
Quill T3 and Ivans slip on kit, fitted by Mike, 129 but with bigger gains in mid range (about a week after first run)
as above but with 4 degree ignition advancer gained extra 4 bhp between 5-6,000 rpm same 129 bhp (same day as above)
Akrapovic Ti race can with ivans MB kit (again fitted by Mike) 136 bhp with gains everywhere and a very smooth power curve. fitted @5,500 miles. (about two years after first run)
All Dyno runs carried out at Millenium Motorcycles (power runs only, no mods) in St Helens.
I have also had Dyno runs carried out at Hammer and Tongs in Warrington and J33 near Lancaster which varied by 4 or 5 bhp from those above.
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Is there any visual difference between the stock item and the 4 degree one, lettering, marks etc. Would be good to check it hasn't been done before I order one.
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the picture I posted few posts back has a picture of an OEM one. the aftermarket ones do not have "denso" on them (I dont know if all OEM ones do though, but its likely they do).
Some of the aftermarked ones have a "4" etched onto them.
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just ordered one :)
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Will have a look to see if mine already has one and if not, may give one a try. May help with the vibe issue as well.
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I think it's definitely worth it for the small outlay... I don't do much mega spirited riding though, so losing something off the top end is not an issue for me whatsoever.
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I have purchased one of these and just taken the cover off to have a go at fitting. I have backed out for tonight as have found the bolt too tight to remove with my small socket set and will have a go with a larger one tomorrow when the light is better. Just a little concerned at the amount of pressure required to free the bolt and the effects on the cam chain turning as I don't want to upset anything. Should I be concerned or just use more force? Any advice appreciated. Thanks
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The gasket split on mine and I just put a smear of gasket sealant on the split bit and it has never leaked, had a new gasket since last xmas and still not got round to fitting it.
Remember silicon is great in the right place but a destruction waiting to happen once excess stringy bits get into oil ways, use very sparingly, better still a non-setting sealant but still sparingly. It's only ptfe tape that stands for 'put the foccer everywhere'! :lol
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I have purchased one of these and just taken the cover off to have a go at fitting. I have backed out for tonight as have found the bolt too tight to remove with my small socket set and will have a go with a larger one tomorrow when the light is better. Just a little concerned at the amount of pressure required to free the bolt and the effects on the cam chain turning as I don't want to upset anything. Should I be concerned or just use more force? Any advice appreciated. Thanks
I was worried about this as well. I basically ended up putting the bike into gear, standing on the rear braks with my left foot whilst bending over to remove the bolt (ideally if you had someone to sit on the bike and put some force onto the rear brake).
side stand, not centre stand.
Eventually it came loose and Ive had no ill effects after 200 miles.
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Thanks for the feedback and reassurance Mickvp. I will have another go tomorrow. I tried a similar approach to you today and the bolt did not seem like it was showing any sign of freeing. Cheers, Rich
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What MickVP said. Rear brake on, long lever on the socket and go for it. It's on quite tight and locktited as well, so will take a bit of shifting. The cam timing won't be affected by doing this. :)
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Thanks Mike
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I fitted my advancer successfully this morning following the feedback provided then went for a quick 25 mile spin. Have to say this mod is well worth doing as the pick up in the low rev range is cleaner and smoother. Didn't notice any drop in performance elsewhere so far. My bike was full Monty'd by Mike in May which greatly improved things and I think this mod is the icing on the cake. Thanks for the help and advice I received. Cheers, Rich.
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Does anybody know offhand what the torque setting for tightening the bolt is?
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In the Haynes manual it lists the torque setting for the "Timing Rotor Bolt" as 60Nm which is what I have used on mine.
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Good to see lots of people happy fitting the advancer. Has anyone got dyno results for before and after yet on a full monty? Funnily enough i sold my standard fazer with the ignition advancer because compared to the full monty one with ignition advancer it was a poor relative and i couldn't help comparing them. I bought a sprint st 1050 and compared to a standard fazer i have to say the st is better in every aspect except outright power. It isn't as good as a full monty fazer mind you! ;)
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Out if interest, have you guys loctited the bolt on refitting? I haven't done as I wanted to see what the advancer made first in case I wanted to refit the original, but did tighten to 60Nm. I am going to keep the 4 degree advancer in my bike as I like the results. Should I now loctite it or is this not essential. (Don't want to keep messing if it's not required). Thanks
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I loctited mine in, yes, but I'm quite pernickety that way. For Tue couple of quid for a bottle of loctite, I wouldn't want to risk it. Much cheaper than a new engine if it comes loose, that's my thinking :)
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Thanks Mickvp. Good call. I will do mine too.
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After fitting the 4deg advancer to mine the other week and not initially being impressed; 'I stand corrected'... :rolleyes
I did the London to Brighton on Sunday, which was the only decent run I've done since fitting the advancer.
Not only is it smoother, responsive and just as pokey, I've managed to get 215miles out of the tank with 4ltrs to spare! :eek Usually it's around 180miles per tank +/-
For my bike in particular, and I've had her now for almost 10yrs now!, it's been having some issues this last 12 months; starting, running, missing, cutting out etc... I've addressed everything electrical and fuel related including removing the alarm; the alarm being the main culprit!
The 4 deg advancer has been the icing on the cake which has finally reinstated full confidance of my old girl... :) I wish I knew to do this years ago... :eek
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Great news. Have to say, since last full I have done 190 spirited miles on mine over the weekend and my fuel light has only just started to come on. I agree, the fuel economy seems to have improved a bit and the performance is not jeopardised. Low speed fuelling is better too and bike feels really good. I have just loctited the bolt so it's here to stay.
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Why? Why does this seem to make the bike better? Surely if a bike does better MPG and runs better then the emissions will be better, I don't understand why Yamaha would retard it by 4degrees if the benefits are what everyone seems to be saying.
Mickey
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Doesnt it have to do with the fact the bike is built to run on different (poor to good) grades of fuel in a variety of countries?
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Hi Mickey. The eBay advert advises the following. "These advancers are designed to increase performance and improve throttle response particularly in the low to mid range as well as the starting of the bike. Bikes are designed to run as well as possible using the worst fuel available in the world and so have slightly retarded ignition to help with this. As we have relatively good fuel we can afford to run the bike with these 4 degree advancers fitted and have the bike run a whole lot better". Seems to work. Cheers, Rich.
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Hi Mickey. The eBay advert advises the following. "These advancers are designed to increase performance and improve throttle response particularly in the low to mid range as well as the starting of the bike. Bikes are designed to run as well as possible using the worst fuel available in the world and so have slightly retarded ignition to help with this. As we have relatively good fuel we can afford to run the bike with these 4 degree advancers fitted and have the bike run a whole lot better". Seems to work. Cheers, Rich.
Thanks Rich, just the info I wanted.
Mickey
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So, why 4 degrees? Is there a maximum amount of degrees, say 8 or 10?
Mickey
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The maximum is 4 degrees. :)
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The maximum is 4 degrees. :)
Thanks Mike, I was just wondering if there was a maximum. I'm sure I've seen a 5 degree advancer on Ebay, although not for the Fazer?
Mickey
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I fitted mine last night, it took about 10 minutes in total.
On the ride in to work this morning, it 'felt' like I had more power and a smoother pick up, so I am happy so far. I will know if there is any difference in MPG in a week or so.
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After reading the comments on here, I'm thinking about fitting one to my carb'd R1 and see if it makes a difference. I know the engines are 'almost' the same, so I don't see why it shouldn't???
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The eBay ad says it fits the carb'd R1 and offers the same results
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151399609479
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I thought they weren't recommended for the higher compression R1 engines. Might be wrong though, but thought I read it on Ivans' site.
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I thought they weren't recommended for the higher compression R1 engines. Might be wrong though, but thought I read it on Ivans' site.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Remember! This is an R1 motor. Ignition advancers are not recommended unless you have significantly raised the compression!
[url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1.htm[/url])
There is no further explanation for this advice, maybe it is due to the quality of fuel in the US !?!
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Yeah, I read that on Ivans site too and thought similar. Ivan, any thoughts on this?
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First full tank with the advancer fitted doing my normal commute and 197 miles took 18.0 liters, (49.75mpg) which is a few percent better then I normally get ~180 miles for 17Litres (48.1 MPG). Not a big enough difference to catagorically say the mpg is improved, but worth keeping an eye on.
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That kind of improvement will soon pay for the £15 advancer though!
Happy days!
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Just bought one and will get it fitted over the next day or so. I will also get it dyno'd and let you know the results
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I'm not sure what sort of difference it will make on the dyno, but interested to see the results.
Definately makes things a bit sharper in "real life" terms, but whether that is quantifiable in terms of bhp or torque, I dunno?
Keep us informed BBB
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I'm not sure what sort of difference it will make on the dyno, but interested to see the results.
Definately makes things a bit sharper in "real life" terms, but whether that is quantifiable in terms of bhp or torque, I dunno?
Keep us informed BBB
Mick did you install yours before getting invanised.
I decided go give it a go as I can always take it off if it doesn't suit me
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Aye, I shoved one in about 2 weeks before I went to the Ivanising. Noticed an immediate difference with it in, not quicker, just a bit sharper and smoother. I like it better in, but as you say, it's a cheap mod that you can undo if it doesn't suit you :)
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I've just seen this thread and I'm just wondering if this 4 deg advance will affect starting. I've found that my carb fazer is a 'fussy' starter and always seems to take 2/3 goes to fire properly and careful adjustment of the choke. Does this mod help? I've done the checks on plugs & carbs, the air cleaner is fine too so I was wondering if the smoothness that's been talked about reflects in better starting too?
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Not 100% sure if it is the fact that my bike has a 2 deg advancer on it (unbeknown to me until a week or so ago) but my bike starts first prod WITHOUT choke or throttle, even on a cold day like this morning. If I DO use choke it takes a little while to fire up, 2 or 3 seconds on the button before it fires and if I let go of the start button it will die more often than not unless I give it a neighbour endearing "fistful".
So, I no longer use the choke....
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hi has anyone got a picture of the engine cover the advancer sits behind not a clue which cover to remove to fit my advancer thanks
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hi has anyone got a picture of the engine cover the advancer sits behind not a clue which cover to remove to fit my advancer thanks
Post 36 earlier in the thread mate. I posted a pic of the cover off. It's on the right hand side of the bike as you sit on it :)
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hi thanks was looking for a picture of cover still on the bike taken a bit further back to make sure i remove the right one as we are not all motorcycle experts would rather be sure of undoing the correct part thanks
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With all due respect fazerblue if your that uninformed about the bike I think you would be well advised not to mess and to take your bike to a proper service centre for the work.
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true to a degree but nobody would know anything until they are shown and if we all gave up that easy we would all be riding our standard bikes all exactly the same and there would be no such thing as custom or mods or streetfighters its suprising what a little info can do.
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Fazsrblue. I think there is only the one small cover on that side of the engine. Its sort of shaped like a kidney bowl, only about 8-10 cap headed bolts holding it on. Put the bike on the side stand so the oil is at the other side of the engine too, to avoid spillage.
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thank you mickvp most helpful
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(http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mI2MLOyEn7pQjc9zNnnbS_Q.jpg)
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thanks karlo
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I've fitted an ignition advancer (boy that bolt was TIGHT) and of course the gasket didn't come off cleanly....I looked on the WEMOTO site which is usually ok for Fazer stuff but no joy there.....any other sources or is it worth using some instant liquid gasket? Thanks
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Its only to stop the dust and dirt getting in, I now use a black sealent looks like a gasket when done much better than the orange stuff I used to use.....have you ridden the bike yet, wondering what the difference the advancer makes ...
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http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/product/yamaha/5LV154560000/gasket,%20oil%20pump%20cover%201?uID=0 (http://yamahascooterspares.co.uk/product/yamaha/5LV154560000/gasket,%20oil%20pump%20cover%201?uID=0)
Link for the gasket required for the advancer
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Thanks for the link NSR..... Haven't had the chance to ride it with the 4deg advance in it yet but have started it - seems to be smoother & early rev range 'pick up' seems better - looking forward to the ice clearing and taking it out....here's hoping that it's not too long!
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Still haven't fitted mine to the R1 yet, it's sat there on the shelf gathering dust. I'd be interested in hearing the road riding improvements.
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Finally managed to get out on the fazer after fitting the 4 deg advance mod. Have to say it seems more 'willing' also seem to have a smoother power delivery too, also had to adjust the idle after I came back home as it seemed to idle at almost 1400 rpm when previously it was idling at 1100rpm so I'm presuming it's making more efficient use of the fuel too. Looking forward to finding that out!
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"Looking at Ivans site....you can get 147bhp with an advancer, ported boots and K&N" you'll be lucky, good luck tho.
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heres the number if you copy and paste it on ebay for the cover gasket
361066650899