Author Topic: pressed the starter and nothing nada zip diddly squat! (Read 4336 times)

nickodemon · « **on:** 20 September 2015, 12:00:42 pm »

Went to garage to take out newly acquired gen 1 and pressed the starter button..... Nothing

I kept hitting the button and once it went to spin the starter, but i didnt keep my finger on the button so it didnt fire. Never did it again!!! The neutral light doesn't dim when button pressed so there must be something in the starter circuit thats preventing power to the button. Any thoughts appreciated... I haven't even had the tank off the bike as it was running perfectly until now

unfazed · « **Reply #1 on:** 20 September 2015, 12:10:00 pm »

Dodgy finger

unfazed · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 September 2015, 12:12:31 pm »

Only kidding

, did you check the fuses? Try bypassing the starter relay and see if the motor spins

PieEater · « **Reply #3 on:** 20 September 2015, 12:23:16 pm »

Battery? Sidestand Switch?

nickodemon · « **Reply #4 on:** 20 September 2015, 02:24:14 pm »

I cleaned and dieelectric greased all the block connectors under the tank, i then did the one for the reg/rect (which was furry!) There appears to be a bad connection for the block connectors going to the clocks, as if i move it about the neutral light goes out.. I took them apart and cleaned and greased. Is there anything in the starting circuit that could be affected by the clock wiring circuit? Anyhoos after doing all this Nothing

. I persevered pressing the starter button and it eventually fired up

I have turned it on and off several times and it fires up, so there may be something intermittent going on. At least i know if it wont fire off the button i can short the solenoid and it will start.

unfazed · « **Reply #5 on:** 20 September 2015, 02:41:47 pm »

Did the solenoid click when you pressed the button? If it did then it is most likely corrosion of the large contacts within the solenoid. It can be opened and cleaned if necessary.

nickodemon · « **Reply #6 on:** 20 September 2015, 02:50:16 pm »

No click. If it had clicked i would know it was the solenoid. When pressing the starter button there was absolutely nothing. The neutral light didn't fade, so no power was being used.

nickodemon · « **Reply #7 on:** 20 September 2015, 09:19:13 pm »

I will check the sidestand switch tomorrow. I noticed with the stand down and put into 1st gear the bike didn't cut out, so i will need to check if it's disconnected and wired to eliminate it..

PieEater · « **Reply #8 on:** 21 September 2015, 01:47:16 pm »

Have you had the battery on charge? It doesn't take a great deal of juice to keep a neutral light bulb lit.

nickodemon · « **Reply #9 on:** 21 September 2015, 04:59:07 pm »

It's not the battery.

nickodemon · « **Reply #10 on:** 21 September 2015, 06:29:46 pm »

I followed the sidestand cut out switch wiring, which goes into a dark blue block connector behind the left hand side panel. It is plugged in, so it hasn't been disconnected or rewired to eliminate the side stand switch. The sidestand switch doesn't work, as if sidestand down and put in gear the bike keeps running, so its faulty. How come when it's unplugged the bike does not cut out when in gear, as i seem to recall you have to bridge the wires to eliminate the switch? Or do you simply disconnect it?

unfazed · « **Reply #11 on:** 21 September 2015, 07:01:06 pm »

If the side stand switch was faulty it is unlikely the bike would run at all unless it is stuck in the side stand up position.
The side stand supplies an earth to the ecu via the ignition key and one of the alarm loop plugs under the seat.

Easy to test the side stand switch if you have a meter.

To determine which model Gen 1 you have do your lights
1.Switched by a switch on the right handle bar
2.On all the time
3 Come when the bike starts

nickodemon · « **Reply #12 on:** 21 September 2015, 08:24:29 pm »

They are switched by the r/h switch. Tested the sidestand switch and there is no continuity between pins with sidestand up or down (faulty). Clutch switch gives no continuity with lever out and continuity with lever pulled in (correct). I also tested the starter cut off relay between the blue/white and black and no continuity(correct). If i unplug the sidestand switch it makes no difference, but it should.... because if its unplugged the bike will think the stand is down. The bike is starting with it plugged in and when it's unplugged?

unfazed · « **Reply #13 on:** 21 September 2015, 09:29:30 pm »

Blue/white and black are 2 separate circuits ???

Blue/white goes to the neutral light and the black to the earth from the starter button ??

nickodemon · « **Reply #14 on:** 21 September 2015, 09:39:27 pm »

haynes manual states to check operation of relay set to continuity between blue/white and black(europe models). No continuity should be shown

unfazed · « **Reply #15 on:** 21 September 2015, 10:59:00 pm »

Just looked at the Haynes manual and don't know why they recommend that test as there are no diodes connected across the relay contacts, and if the diodes were and had broken down the starter cut out system would never work.

Was wondering why your were doing that test and reckoned it was the light blue/white of the neutral wire and you were testing the neutral switch. If the side stand switch has no effect it must be bypassed somewhere along the circuit.

Will the bike start in gear or do you have to have the clutch pulled in to start it.

Side stand switch is easily fixed see pics. Clean the copper contacts on the plate and the copper piece in the housing and treat all with WD40 before you put it back together.
I took out the plunger and greased it also.

nickodemon · « **Reply #16 on:** 21 September 2015, 11:05:04 pm »

Bike starts in gear clutch in or out. I also disconnected the clutch switch and the bike started with the clutch lever in and out?

unfazed · « **Reply #17 on:** 21 September 2015, 11:14:45 pm »

Check under the seat to see if they have rewired the loop plugs to provide a permanent earth to the ecu and starter cut out.

There are two 4 way plugs with one loop of wire in each.

One is the sidestand cut out and the other the starter cut out

nickodemon · « **Reply #18 on:** 21 September 2015, 11:30:01 pm »

loop plugs?

unfazed · « **Reply #19 on:** 21 September 2015, 11:48:58 pm »

Yes, two loop plugs

Lift the seat and on the left side where the wiring loom is you will see 3 plugs a 3 way off white one a 4 way off white one and a 4 way black one

The two 4 way ones should have wire loops see pic.

nickodemon · « **Reply #20 on:** 21 September 2015, 11:59:06 pm »

Nice one. I will check in the morning!

nickodemon · « **Reply #21 on:** 22 September 2015, 11:16:00 pm »

Just checked and i dont have any plugs at all. I have a collection of black wires all taped together. (i think there has been an alarm that has been removed. Check out the pics

unfazed · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 September 2015, 12:21:44 am »

Therein could be your problem, are you willing to take on the task of sorting out the wires to ensure they are connected correctly.

You are going to have to be able to use the meter in OHM and Volt scales. I don't know how proficient you are with a meter

Post a pic of the meter you are using if you are not proficient. Easy enough to go through it and I am around this evening, if you need help.

If you find 3 wires joined together there is the bypass and probably the dodgy connection.

Before you check these wires fix the side stand switch.

Dismantle it and clean the contacts with something lightly abrasive. Grease the plunger then spray the inners with a little bit of WD40and reassemble it. Test it. Plunger pushed in connectivity (side stand up), plunger out no connectivity (side stand down).

nickodemon · « **Reply #23 on:** 24 September 2015, 09:42:51 pm »

Bike has been running fine for last 2 days, but i will dismantle the sidestand switch and sort it. I will pull apart the collection of black wires at some point over the next week or two..Unless it starts playing up again, then i will do it straight away... I'm an electrician, so i'm totally fine with all the functions on my meter

unfazed · « **Reply #24 on:** 24 September 2015, 11:34:31 pm »

Looks like my work here is done